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Re: Re-sign Avery Bradley now!
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 11:33:46 PM »

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i really hope we keep him , i see AB getting a lot better this year..

I hope we keep him too but I hope he improve his offensive skills... don't follow his pitbull buddy too much and miss easy layups/open 3pts
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Re: Re-sign Avery Bradley now!
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 05:43:13 AM »

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$10 million over 3 years seems fair.

I agree with this. 

I'm sure Bradley wants closer to what Courtney Lee is making, however.

He shouldn't get it, but there may be some team next summer willing to give him a deal like that (4 yrs / 20-25 million).  Unless he shows a lot of improvement this year I'd be fine letting him go if somebody does make him an offer like that.

I dunno, I think there was some discussion on this over the summer, and I remember concluding that defensive specialists rarely get paid much. Look at Tony Allen, Bowen etc...TA got around $3m per year at a similar point in his career. Why would Bradley get more?

The thing is, at this point Bradley really lacks offensive game even relative to those guys. Bowen was a good 3pt shooter. TA was erratic but also capable of scoring bursts.

I could be off base but I think that $10m for 3 deal is pretty good for both sides. And if I'm Bradley, I'm worried because Rondo makes me a lot better offensively and could be out for a significant chunk of the year, which could depress my overall numbers and market value.

I agree with you, but I would not be surprised if there are still GMs out there who might see offensive upside there and give him 24 over 4 or something like that.
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Re: Re-sign Avery Bradley now!
« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2013, 07:43:05 AM »

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Too early to do so, I'd would wait until we have a dismal record (and we will) to weaken his bargaining power. 
I honestly, think he is worth no more than 4  million per year.

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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2013, 07:57:38 AM »

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$10 million over 3 years seems fair.

I agree with this. 

I'm sure Bradley wants closer to what Courtney Lee is making, however.

He shouldn't get it, but there may be some team next summer willing to give him a deal like that (4 yrs / 20-25 million).  Unless he shows a lot of improvement this year I'd be fine letting him go if somebody does make him an offer like that.

I dunno, I think there was some discussion on this over the summer, and I remember concluding that defensive specialists rarely get paid much. Look at Tony Allen, Bowen etc...TA got around $3m per year at a similar point in his career. Why would Bradley get more?

The thing is, at this point Bradley really lacks offensive game even relative to those guys. Bowen was a good 3pt shooter. TA was erratic but also capable of scoring bursts.

I could be off base but I think that $10m for 3 deal is pretty good for both sides. And if I'm Bradley, I'm worried because Rondo makes me a lot better offensively and could be out for a significant chunk of the year, which could depress my overall numbers and market value.

I agree with you, but I would not be surprised if there are still GMs out there who might see offensive upside there and give him 24 over 4 or something like that.

Of course, TA was just getting drafted when he was 22--or the age AB is now. Also, TA is a career .269 from the 3, whereas young AB is .335. TA also had character issues, whereas AB is a budding leader.

And Bruce Bowen? These two paragraphs in wikipedia describe Bowen's career up until age 30:

"Early struggles (1993–1997)
After finishing his four-year college eligibility, Bowen was eligible for the 1993 NBA Draft, but went undrafted. Instead, he seemed to be destined to become a journeyman athlete. Between 1993 and 1997, Bowen played for five different teams, starting his professional career for the French teams of Le Havre in 1993–94 and Évreux the following season. In 1995–96 he played in the CBA with Rockford Lightning; he spent the next season back in France with Besançon, before returning to the Lightning in February 1997. Bowen made his NBA debut when he was signed to a ten-day contract by the Miami Heat the following month. His output consisted of 1 game, 1 minute and 1 block.[3][4]

Getting settled (1997–2001)
In the 1997–98 NBA season, Bowen reappeared in the NBA, having been signed by the Boston Celtics. With the Celtics, Bowen slowly established himself in the NBA. In his first full year as an NBA player, he appeared in 61 games (nine of them as starter) with the Celtics, averaging 5.6 points, 2.9 rebounds and 1.43 steals in 21.4 minutes per game, shooting .409 from the field, .339 from three-point land and .623 from the free throw line.[3] The next year was a disappointment for him, as Bowen appeared in only 30 Celtics games, averaging 2.3 points and 1.7 rebounds in 16.5 minutes per game.[3]"[/i]

Yeah, AB still has to show he can be a worthy starting 2 and he may ultimately have hat role on a bad team, but his situation is complicated by his having played a solid half year of good NBA offense and only now being 22.

I say he gets Courtney Lee money, or about $5.5M for four years.

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2013, 07:58:10 AM »

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I'm hoping he actually develops enough offensive functionality on top of his defensive chops to merit 6-7 million a year. That is not expecting too much.
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Re: Re-sign Avery Bradley now!
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2013, 09:26:08 AM »

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Too early to do so, I'd would wait until we have a dismal record (and we will) to weaken his bargaining power. 
I honestly, think he is worth no more than 4  million per year.

Well, they can't extend him during the season.  It is either by Thursday, or wait until the offseason when he is a restricted free agent.

But, I agree, right now he is worth no more than 4 million per year.  As a baseline, Tony Allen is making 4.5 million, and is a better player with much more defensive range than Bradley right now. 

The problem is, he has the potential to be significantly better.  But, I personally have not seen enough to bank on that potential, particularly with his injury history and positional questions.  But, you can bet his agent will be banking on that potential.

I just think this is a case where there will be no common ground between the team and the player.  He needs another season to prove his worth.

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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2013, 09:57:13 AM »

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Shoulda traded him when his value was high. I honestly dont think he is going to improve much more.

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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2013, 10:05:34 AM »

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Shoulda traded him when his value was high. I honestly dont think he is going to improve much more.

I don't think his value was ever that high.  GMs always saw what we see now...a guy who is a great on-ball PG defender, who can't play PG offensively, and is very limited offensively in general.  Until he proves otherwise, he is a role player.  Defense wins championships...but it doesn't bring back that much in trades (unless it's a center).

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2013, 10:20:38 AM »

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3M a year, if consider the potential can be 4M
more than that he can go

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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2013, 10:38:35 AM »

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3M a year, if consider the potential can be 4M
more than that he can go

Why does he need to go?  Why not just keep him this year, see how he progresses.  And then you can just sign him to the qualifying offer next year, if you still aren't ready to pay him.


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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2013, 11:44:08 AM »

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3M a year, if consider the potential can be 4M
more than that he can go

Why does he need to go?  Why not just keep him this year, see how he progresses.  And then you can just sign him to the qualifying offer next year, if you still aren't ready to pay him.
To me, Bradley has shown that he's someone with an extremely narrow comfort zone, who experiences a precipitous drop in production once he steps out of it. I don't see this as the foundation of a solid NBA player.
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2013, 12:03:55 PM »

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3M a year, if consider the potential can be 4M
more than that he can go

Why does he need to go?  Why not just keep him this year, see how he progresses.  And then you can just sign him to the qualifying offer next year, if you still aren't ready to pay him.
To me, Bradley has shown that he's someone with an extremely narrow comfort zone, who experiences a precipitous drop in production once he steps out of it. I don't see this as the foundation of a solid NBA player.

Depends on your definition of solid NBA player.  He has shown enough to know that he can be a very solid NBA role player.  Because the definition of a good role player is someone who stays in their comfort zone.  But, that doesn't get you paid.  That is why you have someone like Tony Allen, widely considered the best perimeter defender in the league, making less than the MLE.

The thing is, he is still VERY young.  Which is what his agent is going to point to.  He is still learning the game, and has a lot of room to improve.  That is why his agent is going to hold out for another year or two before jumping at a contract, in the hopes that he can turn into more than a quality role player. 

Now, don't get me wrong, I am all for trading Bradley if you can get back something good for him.  I just don't know if there is much value there.  So, you might as well hang on to him, and hope he develops further and builds more value, either for your team, or via trade.

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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2013, 12:05:26 PM »

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There is no reason to sign a deal now. 



Here are the negative toward AB (which right now do more to lower his future contract value then the positive raise it)


1)  He hasn't played a full season

2)  He is an undersized SG or a PG without the offensive skills needed at that position.

Combine the undersize with injury bugs, you get a player team may want to take the chance on the talent, but not at a large price.  I am thinking under 3 million a season unless he has a monster year where he is healthy. 



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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2013, 12:32:24 PM »

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3M a year, if consider the potential can be 4M
more than that he can go

Why does he need to go?  Why not just keep him this year, see how he progresses.  And then you can just sign him to the qualifying offer next year, if you still aren't ready to pay him.
To me, Bradley has shown that he's someone with an extremely narrow comfort zone, who experiences a precipitous drop in production once he steps out of it. I don't see this as the foundation of a solid NBA player.

Depends on your definition of solid NBA player.  He has shown enough to know that he can be a very solid NBA role player.  Because the definition of a good role player is someone who stays in their comfort zone.
My definition of a solid NBA player is someone who can contribute. And by that, I mean someone who can contribute at all times, and not someone whose whole game will fall apart if you're unable to stash him in the corner for the entire duration of a half-court possession, and only target him for wide open shots or layups.
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Re: Re-sign Avery Bradley now!
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2013, 12:42:08 PM »

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3M a year, if consider the potential can be 4M
more than that he can go

Why does he need to go?  Why not just keep him this year, see how he progresses.  And then you can just sign him to the qualifying offer next year, if you still aren't ready to pay him.
To me, Bradley has shown that he's someone with an extremely narrow comfort zone, who experiences a precipitous drop in production once he steps out of it. I don't see this as the foundation of a solid NBA player.

Depends on your definition of solid NBA player.  He has shown enough to know that he can be a very solid NBA role player.  Because the definition of a good role player is someone who stays in their comfort zone.
My definition of a solid NBA player is someone who can contribute. And by that, I mean someone who can contribute at all times, and not someone whose whole game will fall apart if you're unable to stash him in the corner for the entire duration of a half-court possession, and only target him for wide open shots or layups.

Well, this would mean that about 60% (and that might be really low) of rotation players in the NBA are not "solid NBA players".

The whole idea of a role player, is that you have a flawed player, who does at least one thing really good, and when you are on a good team, you find ways to hide his weaknesses.  That is exactly what Bradley is right now.  It's the same as Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen, Jason Terry (in his prime), James Posey, and many other role players who have had long careers as very valuable players.