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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2013, 11:13:14 PM »

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Pressey
AB
Wallace
Sully
Vitor

6th man: Green, brought on quickly

There is absolutely no shooting in that starting 5
Not trying to start a debate but I am a bit of a tanking advocate.
Maybe have:

Pressey
Green
Wallace
Sully
Vitor

ahh...ok, if tanking is your purpose then the first lineup works. I like your 2nd lineup though

Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2013, 11:20:50 PM »

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FYI, from practice today:

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C's first unit at moment: Bradley, Wallace, Green, Bass, Faverani (Olynyk + Pressey their subs).
Exactly as I expected. Although I'd still prefer Pressey over Bradley, I'm fully aware this is unlikely to happen.

Can't have Pressey,..........that would mess up the tank

Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2013, 11:25:46 PM »

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Obviously, there are no diehard tanking advocates in this thread because if you were dead-set on trying to maximize losses, you'd want to start Bass and Sullinger together.

If .....things start to look up ........   You'll see the atomic bomb drop on our season.......the dreaded
Sully and Bass inserted  to thwart any attempt to win.

There are always tank option s.......trade or sit Wallace,   Trade Hump and Green.... Hold Rondo out to Feb,  bring back Fab Melo.... ;D.      Plethora of legit strategy
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2013, 01:30:13 AM »

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These "tanking" rotation differences some of you are advocating would make little difference (our team is just not good enough even with optimal rotations) and possibly hurt the development of our young players with promise.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2013, 06:14:23 AM »

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These "tanking" rotation differences some of you are advocating would make little difference (our team is just not good enough even with optimal rotations) and possibly hurt the development of our young players with promise.

This team will hardly win any games even putting the very best players on the floor as much as possible, so yeah.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2013, 07:17:27 AM »

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These "tanking" rotation differences some of you are advocating would make little difference (our team is just not good enough even with optimal rotations) and possibly hurt the development of our young players with promise.

The way people talk about this draft class, if it really is that awesome at the top, I'd expect some people to think that the difference between the 9th-worst and 3rd-worst records is worth pushing back the development of players such as Olynyk back a year.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2013, 11:01:59 AM »

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These "tanking" rotation differences some of you are advocating would make little difference (our team is just not good enough even with optimal rotations) and possibly hurt the development of our young players with promise.

The way people talk about this draft class, if it really is that awesome at the top, I'd expect some people to think that the difference between the 9th-worst and 3rd-worst records is worth pushing back the development of players such as Olynyk back a year.

And yet we know Olynyk is on our team.  We could have the worst record and not get the top picks (or further down).  "A Bird in the hand" as they say.

There are about 5 very promising players at the moment in this draft (and maybe more... or hell less, we will have to see this college season).

And again, as I say, I don't think it matters to our record anyways.  When it comes to Sully in particular, keep the man at PF as much as you possibly can.  And Avery at SG on offense too (he just isn't a point).
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2013, 11:25:45 AM »

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FYI, from practice today:

@ESPNForsberg

C's first unit at moment: Bradley, Wallace, Green, Bass, Faverani (Olynyk + Pressey their subs).

This is what I want

Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2013, 11:42:09 AM »

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These "tanking" rotation differences some of you are advocating would make little difference (our team is just not good enough even with optimal rotations) and possibly hurt the development of our young players with promise.

The way people talk about this draft class, if it really is that awesome at the top, I'd expect some people to think that the difference between the 9th-worst and 3rd-worst records is worth pushing back the development of players such as Olynyk back a year.

And yet we know Olynyk is on our team.  We could have the worst record and not get the top picks (or further down).  "A Bird in the hand" as they say.

There are about 5 very promising players at the moment in this draft (and maybe more... or hell less, we will have to see this college season).

And again, as I say, I don't think it matters to our record anyways.  When it comes to Sully in particular, keep the man at PF as much as you possibly can.  And Avery at SG on offense too (he just isn't a point).

I'd agree with that, and also with the idea that even with our ideal rotations in place, we're not winning many basketball games until Rondo returns... and probably not many after that, either.

This team, as it stands, has about 7 quality bench players and a pair of NBA starter. One of whom is out for (probably) another month at the earliest.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2013, 11:52:04 AM »

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These "tanking" rotation differences some of you are advocating would make little difference (our team is just not good enough even with optimal rotations) and possibly hurt the development of our young players with promise.

The way people talk about this draft class, if it really is that awesome at the top, I'd expect some people to think that the difference between the 9th-worst and 3rd-worst records is worth pushing back the development of players such as Olynyk back a year.

And yet we know Olynyk is on our team.  We could have the worst record and not get the top picks (or further down).  "A Bird in the hand" as they say.

There are about 5 very promising players at the moment in this draft (and maybe more... or hell less, we will have to see this college season).

And again, as I say, I don't think it matters to our record anyways.  When it comes to Sully in particular, keep the man at PF as much as you possibly can.  And Avery at SG on offense too (he just isn't a point).

I'd agree with that, and also with the idea that even with our ideal rotations in place, we're not winning many basketball games until Rondo returns... and probably not many after that, either.

This team, as it stands, has about 7 quality bench players and a pair of NBA starter. One of whom is out for (probably) another month at the earliest.

Yeah I agree.

I also have to say, developing our young talent and showcasing our young talent as best we can and at the best position only improves trade value, a big part of building all these assets.

Everyone should keep in mind this is not just about the picks.  First, Ainge has said he doesn't think this draft is all its cracked up to be (maybe posturing) and second, as with last time we were rebuilding, when we saw Ainge flip picks and young talent for players, the picks aren't necessarily the endgame.

We could be trading away our firsts and pulling a Kevin Love trade off midseason and I won't be surprised (I hope that's what happens personally).
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2013, 11:57:44 AM »

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Not a KLove fan, but I can absolutely see something like that happening if the Wolves season falls apart again.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2013, 01:00:43 PM »

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Bradley/Pressey
Crash
Green
Sullinger
Faverani

I understand the concerns with the spacing, but you still have to put the best talent on the floor.

I think this starting 5 will give us a good defensive lineup. There's not a ton of shooting there but at least we can prevent the other team from doing so as well.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2013, 01:06:56 PM »

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Bradley/Pressey
Crash
Green
Sullinger
Faverani

I understand the concerns with the spacing, but you still have to put the best talent on the floor.

I think this starting 5 will give us a good defensive lineup. There's not a ton of shooting there but at least we can prevent the other team from doing so as well.
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2013, 01:14:55 PM »

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I understand the concerns with the spacing, but you still have to put the best talent on the floor.

What if the Celtics had the sort of roster where putting the best talent on the floor results in an under-sized three-guard lineup?
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Re: What should the starting five look like?
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2013, 01:21:05 PM »

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I understand the concerns with the spacing, but you still have to put the best talent on the floor.

What if the Celtics had the sort of roster where putting the best talent on the floor results in an under-sized three-guard lineup?

Then you role with it. Small ball's not a bad option, especially with our hole at the 5.
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