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Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2013, 07:53:36 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2013, 07:58:08 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2013, 07:58:39 PM »

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Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 08:08:40 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

It also doesn't help a players development to learn bad habits playing with scrubs in the worst team in the league in your first year. Much better off to hope they get a player like Wiggins and let him build chemistry with him and MCW after they jettison some of the disgruntled, washed up vets.

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2013, 08:09:31 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2013, 08:34:17 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Are they obligated to? How much did the Bulls say about Rose?

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2013, 08:40:13 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Are they obligated to? How much did the Bulls say about Rose?
I doubt they are. We know the Celts have been known to change the story on their injuries every few days. With Rose they seemed to say it was mental and needed a reason since they went without him in the playoffs. I have no idea what the rules are regarding phantom injuries. Like when Pierce managed to miss quite a while

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2013, 08:42:33 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

It also doesn't help a players development to learn bad habits playing with scrubs in the worst team in the league in your first year. Much better off to hope they get a player like Wiggins and let him build chemistry with him and MCW after they jettison some of the disgruntled, washed up vets.

So why not just bench MCW instead of learning these bad habits of which you speak? As for the bad habits, do you mean making mistakes on the court and then learning from them?  Isn't that what all rookies go through? If Noel is that mentally weak that he can't play half a season with a bad team and never recover, then it's no wonder he slipped in the draft.

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2013, 09:22:11 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Yes, I'd say that Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference this year, at least a significant one. I'd also say that Barnes, Jonas and Zeller had negligible effects on their teams as rookies. Anthony Davis could impact a team right away, but he's one of the 5 or 6 best prospects of the past decade, and he still didn't really impact the Hornets' W/L record much last year.

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2013, 09:28:36 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Are they obligated to? How much did the Bulls say about Rose?

  Did Rose suffer a setback?

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2013, 09:35:31 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Are they obligated to? How much did the Bulls say about Rose?

  Did Rose suffer a setback?

I thought it was a heart issue.


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Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2013, 09:51:24 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Are they obligated to? How much did the Bulls say about Rose?

  Did Rose suffer a setback?

I thought it was a heart issue.


  ...as in lack thereof?

Re: Nerlens Noel may miss entire season
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2013, 10:12:52 PM »

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Not buying this at all. Why would the Sixers do this? It makes little sense. Noel isn't capable of making a difference in terms of wins and losses. On the other hand, having him play would allow him to further develop, work on his non-existent offensive game, and having him deal with the physicality of the NBA game.
Would you say Kelly Olynyk isn't capable of making a difference?  What about some of the rookies last year like Harrison Barnes, Jonas, Tyler Zeller, Anthony Davis?

Olynyk? No, not really. We're 1-6, so maybe we'd be winless without him. I don't think any of the players you mentioned could make a difference except for Davis. But to play along...let's assume Noel and the 10.5 ppg & 9.5 rpg he averaged in college (before his knee injury) translates to the same numbers in the NBA, how much of a difference will he make? 3 wins? 5 wins? So you're willing t0 stunt a player's development in order to have the worst record instead of the 3rd worst? In a draft system, that unlike other leagues, has no certainty of getting the top pick with the worst record.
I absolutely think a team would do that. Noel is like 19 or 20. They have plenty of time for him to grow

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The timetable for Noel's recovery was initially set for 6-8 months, which was expected to allow him to return sometime in the middle of his rookie season.

Dr. James Andrews, who performed the surgery, told ESPN in June that Noel was ahead of schedule.

Noel was scheduled to return mid-season.  Couldn't it be possible that he suffered a setback which pushed back his recovery time a few months? If so, it's probably a smart move by Philly to announce him being out for the year instead of having the "when will he play" talk shadow him all season.
And they don't say what the setback is? Maybe

Are they obligated to? How much did the Bulls say about Rose?

  Did Rose suffer a setback?

I thought it was a heart issue.


  ...as in lack thereof?

Ha, exactly. I also remember reports about an unexpected complication with his backbone.

(Again, kidding. The jokes are still there.)

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner