Already Disappointed in Green Again.

[mgent]

He is trying to do what the coach wants him to do and that is shoot.   He needs to slash!

Easier said than done without a 4 guarding him and without Rondo/Pierce/KG all drawing the attention away/opening lanes.

I hope people didn't get too spoiled watching Jeff Green slash against slower players last year, because there's no chance any coach puts their SF on Wallace over Green like they had to do with Pierce.

[badshar]

He is trying to do what the coach wants him to do and that is shoot.   He needs to slash!

Easier said than done without a 4 guarding him and without Rondo/Pierce/KG all drawing the attention away/opening lanes.

I hope people didn't get too spoiled watching Jeff Green slash against slower players last year, because there's no chance any coach puts their SF on Wallace over Green like they had to do with Pierce.

Almost every player in this league can drive and score when they have an open lane. What separates those players from stars is that stars can drive and score over their defender, like Pierce, LeBron, Carmelo, Kobe and others. According to many Celtics fans, Green is a star, so he shouldn't be needing other stars to clear the lane for him and definitely should not be using that as an excuse.

[jambr380]

the guy shot 18% from the field in yesterdays game. in tonights game he shot 25% from the field. and its not like he just shot four times.  every time he shot i cringed because i knew it wasnt going in.

NINE MILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR!?!?!?  why danny? he can shoot a three - but only if he's open, and he can drive to the right if theres a bit of space in the lane. thats all. anything outside of that im in shock.

18% plus 25% = a blistering 21.5% field goal percentage. i think my fav was alast year against the kings 4 from 16 if i recall correctly.  except for a few incredible games he's  not a good nba caliber player.

he's not a starter. he's not a sixth man. he's an average - yes average - bench player. what can he do well?  might as well pay chris babb nine million dollars because he seems to be doing more.

the most hilarious thing about all this to me is that it seems like danny knows... like remember when kg and ray became celtics, when you went to celtics.com there would be a picture of paul,kg, and ray together as the centerpieces of the team.  now it's rondo, avery, and jeff. now why is this funny?

because i have heard how some gm (i think it might have been DA) put some crap player all over the merchandise and posters so that in negotiations with other teams he could say, "such and such will be a big loss for our team if i trade him to you - look at all our posters and merchandise if you dont believe me!"

when you've just traded for a former all-star - gerald wallace, and you have sullinger, and you have olynyk - who was pretty much the best player in college last year - you have enough players who fans can get excited about without dragging up jeff green - whose image only inspires disappointment and loathing in any real celtics fan who remembers all of the time he has spent in green... not exactly something that excites fans as merchandise and posters are...

and just because i feel like you might be interested, on a side note - just before the extension date on rondos rookie contract expired danny got a day extension from the league and locked him up for 11 million dollars per season.  he has the same opportunity with bradley right now but doesnt sign him - and will apparently wait until after the season - when other teams can bid...

this doesnt mean that bradley wont be a celtic next season, it just means that dannys leaving the door open for a sign and trade with bradley because he doesnt think he could be worth what he's asking. 

in this case what does jeff and avery get you in return?

This post makes me feel like I would be more of an asset to the Cs than Green. I stand by the assertion that he was a bargain at 9 million a year - not an amazing bargain, but certainly worth of his contract. People need to chill out about Green - if we get 20 games into the season and he still sucks, then speak up, but he has enough of a history to show that he is at least a solid starter in this league...not an average back-up as you state.

Expect him to average 15-16 ppg with 5 rebounds and 3 assists - not all-star material, but still worthy of his current contract.

[PhoSita]

those disappointed in green, as ever, are simply setting unrealistic expectations for him.

he's not the kind of guy who can thrive as the primary offensive option.

[ederson]

if we get 20 games into the season and he still sucks, then speak up, but he has enough of a history to show that he is at least a solid starter in this league...not an average back-up as you state.

Expect him to average 15-16 ppg with 5 rebounds and 3 assists - not all-star material, but still worthy of his current contract.

i can`t argue that preseason games can`t be an indication but on the other hand Green should be the most selfmotivated player in the roster. He should treat every offseason game as game 7 of the finals. I guess we all agree that he can`t be an alpha dog but at least try to be a beta dog!

for 9m per year he should bring at least effort to the table ! 

[Bahku]

He's inconsistent, always has been, and we knew that before he got here.

Sad, really, because he has super star abilities, but not super star attitude/confidence.

He requires a tandem guy to get him the ball when and where he needs it, to make him better.

Rondo is that guy, and I believe Green will be back to his potential when Rondo returns.

[beklog]

He's inconsistent, always has been, and we knew that before he got here.

Sad, really, because he has super star abilities, but not super star attitude/confidence.

He requires a tandem guy to get him the ball when and where he needs it, to make him better.

Rondo is that guy, and I believe Green will be back to his potential when Rondo returns.

are we asking too much from Rondo?
i know we had this excuse for Bass for him unable create his own shots and AB for unable to hahdle or distribute the ball

[Bahku]

He's inconsistent, always has been, and we knew that before he got here.

Sad, really, because he has super star abilities, but not super star attitude/confidence.

He requires a tandem guy to get him the ball when and where he needs it, to make him better.

Rondo is that guy, and I believe Green will be back to his potential when Rondo returns.

are we asking too much from Rondo?
i know we had this excuse for Bass for him unable create his own shots and AB for unable to hahdle or distribute the ball

Asking too much?

No ... that's Rondo's job and what he does best.

Will Green excel to his potential?

I've always doubted that, but he'll certainly be better.

[beklog]

^^ I know it his job to make his teammates better...
but they'll look stagnant when he's out... we know Green's potential we know he can slash the basket and we know he can create his shots... i just don't get the reason why we have to wait for Rondo in order to compliment him... he needed somebody to smack his senses and remind him on what he can do in the court

[Bahku]

^^ I know it his job to make his teammates better...
but they'll look stagnant when he's out... we know Green's potential we know he can slash the basket and we know he can create his shots... i just don't get the reason why we have to wait for Rondo in order to compliment him... he needed somebody to smack his senses and remind him on what he can do in the court

We have to wait because Jeff Green is just plain not self-motivated to maximize his potential, if he decides to change then we won't have to wait.

Frankly, I never wanted him here because of his inconsistent, lukewarm attitude and game, but here he is, so we have to take what he gives.

Hopefully something will happen in his head or someone else will snap him out of it and he'll turn the corner.

I just doubt that it will happen if it hasn't already ... hope I'm very wrong about that, but this "flashes of brilliance" thing is enough for some players.

Teams keep betting on his potential and talent, so he does just enough to make teams roll the dice and cross their fingers.

He doesn't have to give his all every night so he doesn't ... it's not a successful attitude and it's not a team attitude, but he seems to be fine with it, as long he's getting paid.

[Section301]

Can we please stop using the 43 point game as an indication of potential greatness?  Please?  Tony Delk scored 53 in a game once, that doesn't make him a #1 option for a decent team. 

Anyone saying "Tony who?" - that's my point.

Anyone who didn't automatically correct "that doesn't make him a #1 option" to "that DIDN"T make him a #1 option" - ditto. 

[fitzhickey]

Can we please stop using the 43 point game as an indication of potential greatness?  Please?  Tony Delk scored 53 in a game once, that doesn't make him a #1 option for a decent team. 

Anyone saying "Tony who?" - that's my point.

Anyone who didn't automatically correct "that doesn't make him a #1 option" to "that DIDN"T make him a #1 option" - ditto.

Tony who? 

[clover]

^^ I know it his job to make his teammates better...
but they'll look stagnant when he's out... we know Green's potential we know he can slash the basket and we know he can create his shots... i just don't get the reason why we have to wait for Rondo in order to compliment him... he needed somebody to smack his senses and remind him on what he can do in the court

We have to wait because Jeff Green is just plain not self-motivated to maximize his potential, if he decides to change then we won't have to wait.

Frankly, I never wanted him here because of his inconsistent, lukewarm attitude and game, but here he is, so we have to take what he gives.

Hopefully something will happen in his head or someone else will snap him out of it and he'll turn the corner.

I just doubt that it will happen if it hasn't already ... hope I'm very wrong about that, but this "flashes of brilliance" thing is enough for some players.

Teams keep betting on his potential and talent, so he does just enough to make teams roll the dice and cross their fingers.

He doesn't have to give his all every night so he doesn't ... it's not a successful attitude and it's not a team attitude, but he seems to be fine with it, as long he's getting paid.

Is it possible it took KG screaming in his face to get him to show some of that potential that otherwise isn't motivated to show itself?

If so, well, KG isn't walking through that door.

Stevens is probably better at positively channeling those with plenty of motivation who just need some direction (e.g., Crawford), than those in need of motivation and direction.

[chambers]

Hard to say because it's too early. He's got a few adjustments to make but I could see him becoming a 16 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 apg guy by the end of the year. Perhaps even 18-20 ppg if Rondo plays more than 50 games.

He'll attract more tough defenders for more minutes and he'll be forced to shoot more jumpshots at least till Rondo gets back. No one else penetrates and dishes to him so he's going to have to create his own opportunities and be assertive with the ball.

Give him a good 25 games to settle down before writing him off.
If he averages 15/5/4 at 9 million he's a bargain trade chip.

[Bahku]

^^ I know it his job to make his teammates better...
but they'll look stagnant when he's out... we know Green's potential we know he can slash the basket and we know he can create his shots... i just don't get the reason why we have to wait for Rondo in order to compliment him... he needed somebody to smack his senses and remind him on what he can do in the court

We have to wait because Jeff Green is just plain not self-motivated to maximize his potential, if he decides to change then we won't have to wait.

Frankly, I never wanted him here because of his inconsistent, lukewarm attitude and game, but here he is, so we have to take what he gives.

Hopefully something will happen in his head or someone else will snap him out of it and he'll turn the corner.

I just doubt that it will happen if it hasn't already ... hope I'm very wrong about that, but this "flashes of brilliance" thing is enough for some players.

Teams keep betting on his potential and talent, so he does just enough to make teams roll the dice and cross their fingers.

He doesn't have to give his all every night so he doesn't ... it's not a successful attitude and it's not a team attitude, but he seems to be fine with it, as long he's getting paid.

Is it possible it took KG screaming in his face to get him to show some of that potential that otherwise isn't motivated to show itself?

If so, well, KG isn't walking through that door.

Stevens is probably better at positively channeling those with plenty of motivation who just need some direction (e.g., Crawford), than those in need of motivation and direction.

Yeah, I agree ... and my doubts don't end there.