Gerald Wallace is Better than Jeff Green and must be the Starter

[Galeto]

i'm glad Humphries and wallace seem to be having comeback years....should boost their trade value.

There will be some team with needs for their skills, a team looking for that "piece" to contend

It absolutely floors me whenever I read this about Humphries.  The guy has never played significant minutes for even an average team.  His two best seasons have come when New Jersey was absolutely dreadful.  He's someone a playoff team exploits because of his bad defense.  I find it very unlikely that a team is going to look at him as a piece to help contend. 

The bigger issue with moving him is his contract. It's good for facilitating big trades.  The KG-Pierce trades don't happen without his big contract.  On the flipside, the size of his contract makes him extremely difficult to move in a "smaller" trade. 

[Galeto]

I want to see Green at PF, Sully at C, Wallace at SF,  Pressey at PG and AB at SG.

If Wallace and Green are the 3/4 pairing, the Celtics can only dictate who plays PF and SF on defense, which I assume would be Wallace and Green respectively.  On offense, I'd imagine Green gets covered by small forwards initially but since Wallace has been pretty dang good when he's played power forward offensively, teams may downsize or switch the matchups.

[aporel#18]

Showcase Season at full strength. Until Rondo comes back, that should be our starting 5:

Jordan Crawesome
Courtney Lee
Gerald Wallace
Brandon Bass
Kris Humphries

They will end up clicking, regaining some of their trade value. Trades in December, insert Green and Rondo in the starting 5 alongside the best of the rest.

[More Banners]

Saw the 76ers game on TV, missed the first two.  Expected to see things starting to come together in terms of rotations, etc.  Disappointed.

Gerald Wallace's aggressiveness makes up for the talent differential on many nights.  The guy's a gamer every night, and has been for his career.

Jeff Green is clearly the most well rounded player on the wing, has the size etc.  I'm not sure he can beat opponents off the dribble on the wing, though...settling for jumpers, and live and die by them?  Not good.  He should be pushing it aggressively, but doesn't.  Disappointed.

Lee didn't look like he fit in a free-flowing game.  He seems to do better in a structured half court game.  They guy is not a passer for sure.

Pressey is, but he's smaller than me.  I like his handles and passing in the open court, though.  He could be a good Rondo backup.

Not sure why Bradley started at point; he can't play there.  Legacy start based on years of service?

How about a Pressey/Bradley backcourt?  Have they tried much of that yet?

No rim protection at all.  None.

PF is a mess, with Wallace, Sully, and Bass all starter-worthy there, and KO needing minutes too.

What I'd try:

Pressey
Bradley
Green
Sully
KO (default, no real better alternative and he needs minutes)

Bench rotation:
Crawford (looks better than I remember)
Wallace (getting 30 min off the bench)
VITOR!
Bass

But oh gosh, this roster needs cleaned up!

[Celtics4ever]

Green is probably our best shot blocker.

[clover]

Saw the 76ers game on TV, missed the first two.  Expected to see things starting to come together in terms of rotations, etc.  Disappointed.

Gerald Wallace's aggressiveness makes up for the talent differential on many nights.  The guy's a gamer every night, and has been for his career.

Jeff Green is clearly the most well rounded player on the wing, has the size etc.  I'm not sure he can beat opponents off the dribble on the wing, though...settling for jumpers, and live and die by them?  Not good.  He should be pushing it aggressively, but doesn't.  Disappointed.

Lee didn't look like he fit in a free-flowing game.  He seems to do better in a structured half court game.  They guy is not a passer for sure.

Pressey is, but he's smaller than me.  I like his handles and passing in the open court, though.  He could be a good Rondo backup.

Not sure why Bradley started at point; he can't play there.  Legacy start based on years of service?

How about a Pressey/Bradley backcourt?  Have they tried much of that yet?

No rim protection at all.  None.

PF is a mess, with Wallace, Sully, and Bass all starter-worthy there, and KO needing minutes too.

What I'd try:

Pressey
Bradley
Green
Sully
KO (default, no real better alternative and he needs minutes)

Bench rotation:
Crawford (looks better than I remember)
Wallace (getting 30 min off the bench)
VITOR!
Bass

But oh gosh, this roster needs cleaned up!

Apparently it takes a very disciplined coach or GM--like Odysseus, strapped to the mast of his ship so as to resist the song of the sirens--to avoid the trap of trying to make Bradley a PG. Only the coach in Israel, I believe, was able to pass it by in his first week with Bradley.

[KGs Knee]

Well, it's pre-season, so it doesn't mean jack-squat.

That said, and I haven't watched much (just not interested), if Wallace continues to outperform Jeff Green that is bad news.  Although maybe not bad news for potentially being able to move Wallace's contract.

I just don't get the impression Green is capable of being the alpha dog, even on a team as bad as the C's.

[Celtics18]

I must be the only one who has no problem with Avery playing the PG position until Rondo returns.  No, he doesn't have prototypical point guard skills, but that doesn't really bother me.  His role is to pressure the ball and help create turnovers and rushed possessions for the opposition so we can get out and run. 

The truth is that while Rondo is out, we don't have anyone on the roster who can "run the offense"  smoothly in a half court set.  That's why we are going with a different approach.  There is no primary ball handler on this team; it's ball handler by committee.  Starting Avery in the back court and calling him the point guard works for me. 

[Who]

I would like to see Gerald Wallace eat into Bass' minutes rather than Jeff Green's playing time.

[Who]

I must be the only one who has no problem with Avery playing the PG position until Rondo returns.  No, he doesn't have prototypical point guard skills, but that doesn't really bother me.  His role is to pressure the ball and help create turnovers and rushed possessions for the opposition so we can get out and run. 

The truth is that while Rondo is out, we don't have anyone on the roster who can "run the offense"  smoothly in a half court set.  That's why we are going with a different approach.  There is no primary ball handler on this team; it's ball handler by committee.  Starting Avery in the back court and calling him the point guard works for me.

Agreed. Lack of viable alternatives. I don't like Bradley @ PG but the alternatives are even worse so Bradley it is.


I like Phil Pressey as a low level prospect (to develop into a quality bench player down the road) but I think he is a year or two away from being a quality rotation player for the Celtics. He should have been the third string PG this year.

Really irritated that Danny Ainge didn't sign a quality backup PG in the off-season to round out that bench + to fill in for Rondo as the starting PG while Rondo sat out these first 15-20 games of the season.

[BballTim]

I would like to see Gerald Wallace eat into Bass' minutes rather than Jeff Green's playing time.

 I'm hoping Sully gets a lot of those minutes.

[Who]

I would like to see Gerald Wallace eat into Bass' minutes rather than Jeff Green's playing time.

 I'm hoping Sully gets a lot of those minutes.

That too. Sully to start at PF and slide over to C when Humphries goes to the bench + G-Wallace to take a good portion of those backup PF minutes instead of Bass ... would be my preference. Olynyk, Bass and Faverani scrap it out for remaining big man minutes.

[ben]

Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace are the two best, most talented and effective players on the roster (with rondo recovering).   It isn't close.

These guys need to be on the court AT THE SAME TIME. 

Sully/KO/Fav/  even bass and hump are pretty good soo..

it makes perfect sense to play green and wallace at the 2/3. 
ESPECIALLY when dwayne wade, ray allen, kobe bryant, paul pierce and Kevin Durant are NOT on your team to play SG minutes. 
Our other options at SG (i know we have like 5 but pleeease) are so much worse.  Please no more 30 minute courtney lee at SG games.  My eyes can't handle it. 

I can't stand this thread.  The answer is neither yes or no.  hoping this thread disappears.

What do you envision?

A starting lineup of:

Bradley
Green
Wallace
Sullinger
Humphries

?

How about going small?

Bradley
Lee
Green
Wallace
Sullinger

I envision this lineup

Bradley
Green
Wallace
Sullinger
KO or Fav

when rondo comes back it looks like this

Rondo
Green
Wallace
Sullinger
KO or Fav


I can't stand small lineups.  I hated when Doc used them. 

It's not like we have  allen Iverson and steve nash (in their primes) on the team at the same time, so  what would be the point??

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

How about this, traditional as practically possible line up? Pressey, Bradley, Green, Hump, Faverani with Wallace as 6th man

[RJ87]

Saw the 76ers game on TV, missed the first two.  Expected to see things starting to come together in terms of rotations, etc.  Disappointed.

Gerald Wallace's aggressiveness makes up for the talent differential on many nights.  The guy's a gamer every night, and has been for his career.

Jeff Green is clearly the most well rounded player on the wing, has the size etc.  I'm not sure he can beat opponents off the dribble on the wing, though...settling for jumpers, and live and die by them?  Not good.  He should be pushing it aggressively, but doesn't.  Disappointed.

Lee didn't look like he fit in a free-flowing game.  He seems to do better in a structured half court game.  They guy is not a passer for sure.

Pressey is, but he's smaller than me.  I like his handles and passing in the open court, though.  He could be a good Rondo backup.

Not sure why Bradley started at point; he can't play there.  Legacy start based on years of service?

How about a Pressey/Bradley backcourt?  Have they tried much of that yet?

No rim protection at all.  None.

PF is a mess, with Wallace, Sully, and Bass all starter-worthy there, and KO needing minutes too.

What I'd try:

Pressey
Bradley
Green
Sully
KO (default, no real better alternative and he needs minutes)

Bench rotation:
Crawford (looks better than I remember)
Wallace (getting 30 min off the bench)
VITOR!
Bass

But oh gosh, this roster needs cleaned up!

Apparently it takes a very disciplined coach or GM--like Odysseus, strapped to the mast of his ship so as to resist the song of the sirens--to avoid the trap of trying to make Bradley a PG. Only the coach in Israel, I believe, was able to pass it by in his first week with Bradley.

Cannot stop laughing. TP.