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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #210 on: November 21, 2013, 03:21:29 AM »

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Actually got to see that Houston game. Sully fell like he'd been shot. Would have made a soccer forward proud the way he simulated that Howard foul. Anyway, the main reason I'm posting here is I finally got to see Olynyk in action in the flesh. Aside from being shoved about in the paint (esp, by howard) a little too much for his height and his shot not quite falling I liked what I saw. He set good screens, moved well up and down the court and generally only took what seemed to me to be good shots. If they start going and  he is a genuine offensive option.

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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #211 on: November 21, 2013, 07:08:29 AM »

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The duo gets their first start together tonight. Cmon boys give duncan all he can handle
Brad is going to try every possible combination of players just for the heck of it, wouldn't he...

This is actually the year where he gets a sort of a "free pass" to do this. Might as well.
Surely he might as well, but why? Just because he can? Does he really not know what works? Is he going to yank around people from starters to 2 minutes per game just because they got 2 quick fouls on Dwight Howard? I know it's that type of year, but all that stuff is starting to border on the ridiculous.
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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #212 on: November 21, 2013, 07:23:55 AM »

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I like Stevens and think he is a young bright coach.   But even I will admit that he seems a bit frazzled after some of these games and at times overwhelmed.  The learning curve is steep.

Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #213 on: November 21, 2013, 08:22:54 AM »

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The duo gets their first start together tonight. Cmon boys give duncan all he can handle
Brad is going to try every possible combination of players just for the heck of it, wouldn't he...

This is actually the year where he gets a sort of a "free pass" to do this. Might as well.
Surely he might as well, but why? Just because he can? Does he really not know what works? Is he going to yank around people from starters to 2 minutes per game just because they got 2 quick fouls on Dwight Howard? I know it's that type of year, but all that stuff is starting to border on the ridiculous.

What's bordering on ridiculous? You have 5 to 6 players capable of playing big men rotation, all of them capable of playing in this league and giving you good minutes. Everyone knew there was going to be a logjam in those positions and coming into the season everyone knew that the how much and when people play was going to go up and down through the season.

I've seen nothing out of the ordinary on that regard, particularly if your judgement is purely based on the playing time of a rookie.

Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #214 on: November 21, 2013, 09:08:11 AM »

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The duo gets their first start together tonight. Cmon boys give duncan all he can handle
Brad is going to try every possible combination of players just for the heck of it, wouldn't he...

This is actually the year where he gets a sort of a "free pass" to do this. Might as well.
Surely he might as well, but why? Just because he can? Does he really not know what works? Is he going to yank around people from starters to 2 minutes per game just because they got 2 quick fouls on Dwight Howard? I know it's that type of year, but all that stuff is starting to border on the ridiculous.

What's bordering on ridiculous? You have 5 to 6 players capable of playing big men rotation, all of them capable of playing in this league and giving you good minutes. Everyone knew there was going to be a logjam in those positions and coming into the season everyone knew that the how much and when people play was going to go up and down through the season.

I've seen nothing out of the ordinary on that regard, particularly if your judgement is purely based on the playing time of a rookie.
I'm sorry, there is no logjam at the big man position. Exactly four guys are in the rotation: Bass, Faverani, Sullinger, Olynyk. Stevens apparently can't make up his mind about whether he wants Faverani to start, be the primary backup, or come in for mop-up duty for more than a month already. So yeah, that's pretty ridiculous.
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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #215 on: November 21, 2013, 09:34:04 AM »

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The duo gets their first start together tonight. Cmon boys give duncan all he can handle
Brad is going to try every possible combination of players just for the heck of it, wouldn't he...

This is actually the year where he gets a sort of a "free pass" to do this. Might as well.
Surely he might as well, but why? Just because he can? Does he really not know what works? Is he going to yank around people from starters to 2 minutes per game just because they got 2 quick fouls on Dwight Howard? I know it's that type of year, but all that stuff is starting to border on the ridiculous.

What's bordering on ridiculous? You have 5 to 6 players capable of playing big men rotation, all of them capable of playing in this league and giving you good minutes. Everyone knew there was going to be a logjam in those positions and coming into the season everyone knew that the how much and when people play was going to go up and down through the season.

I've seen nothing out of the ordinary on that regard, particularly if your judgement is purely based on the playing time of a rookie.
I'm sorry, there is no logjam at the big man position. Exactly four guys are in the rotation: Bass, Faverani, Sullinger, Olynyk. Stevens apparently can't make up his mind about whether he wants Faverani to start, be the primary backup, or come in for mop-up duty for more than a month already. So yeah, that's pretty ridiculous.

I guess Humphries doesn't exist, or that Wallace and Green can't also play PF minutes (but haven't really done so this year)...

Or you haven't noticed the level of talent of those that can play the 5 in this team is quite comparable to each other, and no one has really distanced himself from the pack... other than Sully, and he's no 5.

I'm sorry too, but you're making a big deal about nothing and no matter how much you recite it here or in your head, it doesn't change the facts that Faverani is a rookie and his usage will be dictated by match-ups more than anything, knowing that Humphries is always there to take his minutes if he isn't doing his job.

Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #216 on: November 21, 2013, 10:18:02 AM »

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I guess Humphries doesn't exist, or that Wallace and Green can't also play PF minutes (but haven't really done so this year)...

Or you haven't noticed the level of talent of those that can play the 5 in this team is quite comparable to each other, and no one has really distanced himself from the pack... other than Sully, and he's no 5.

I'm sorry too, but you're making a big deal about nothing and no matter how much you recite it here or in your head, it doesn't change the facts that Faverani is a rookie and his usage will be dictated by match-ups more than anything, knowing that Humphries is always there to take his minutes if he isn't doing his job.
Humphries has played more than 10 minutes in the grand total of 4 games this season so yeah, for all practical purposes he doesn't exist. Humphries is not going to take anyone's job, that's about the only certain thing in Brad Stevens rotation. Otherwise he would have by now.

And the "matchups"... Faverani against Howard, Olynyk against Splitter, Sullinger against Duncan... Yeah, it's either matchups or little Brad has no idea what he's doing. :P


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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #217 on: November 21, 2013, 03:23:25 PM »

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I guess Humphries doesn't exist, or that Wallace and Green can't also play PF minutes (but haven't really done so this year)...

Or you haven't noticed the level of talent of those that can play the 5 in this team is quite comparable to each other, and no one has really distanced himself from the pack... other than Sully, and he's no 5.

I'm sorry too, but you're making a big deal about nothing and no matter how much you recite it here or in your head, it doesn't change the facts that Faverani is a rookie and his usage will be dictated by match-ups more than anything, knowing that Humphries is always there to take his minutes if he isn't doing his job.
Humphries has played more than 10 minutes in the grand total of 4 games this season so yeah, for all practical purposes he doesn't exist. Humphries is not going to take anyone's job, that's about the only certain thing in Brad Stevens rotation. Otherwise he would have by now.

And the "matchups"... Faverani against Howard, Olynyk against Splitter, Sullinger against Duncan... Yeah, it's either matchups or little Brad has no idea what he's doing. :P

Tell yourself what you want. I have ZERO problem with how he's using Faverani, that you do, well that's an issue for yourself and has no impact on how I feel about whether I think Stevens is doing a good job or not.

There are many things you can use to criticize Stevens for, but this is a very sad attempt at one as far as I'm concerned.

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« Reply #218 on: November 21, 2013, 03:26:50 PM »

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I guess Humphries doesn't exist, or that Wallace and Green can't also play PF minutes (but haven't really done so this year)...

Or you haven't noticed the level of talent of those that can play the 5 in this team is quite comparable to each other, and no one has really distanced himself from the pack... other than Sully, and he's no 5.

I'm sorry too, but you're making a big deal about nothing and no matter how much you recite it here or in your head, it doesn't change the facts that Faverani is a rookie and his usage will be dictated by match-ups more than anything, knowing that Humphries is always there to take his minutes if he isn't doing his job.
Humphries has played more than 10 minutes in the grand total of 4 games this season so yeah, for all practical purposes he doesn't exist. Humphries is not going to take anyone's job, that's about the only certain thing in Brad Stevens rotation. Otherwise he would have by now.

And the "matchups"... Faverani against Howard, Olynyk against Splitter, Sullinger against Duncan... Yeah, it's either matchups or little Brad has no idea what he's doing. :P

... what?  It's just matchups.  Stevens says so and it's plain to see.
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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #219 on: February 08, 2014, 02:24:34 PM »

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It was nice to see both of these guys play most of the 4th and help us win.

Both had really nice games on both ends of the court. Olynyk is playing more physical as of late

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« Reply #220 on: February 08, 2014, 02:38:37 PM »

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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #221 on: March 18, 2014, 04:15:43 PM »

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http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/03/jared_sullinger_kelly_olynyk_c.html

Astonishing stat No. 1: With both Olynyk and Sullinger on the court, the Celtics (the ****’ Celtics!) become the equivalent of the best rebounding team in basketball, with what would be a league-high offensive rebound rate of 34.7 percent. That’s better offensive rebounding than any duo the super-sized Pistons throw out there. It’s better than Kevin Love and Nikola Pekovic. It’s better than any of the 250 most-used two-man lineups in the NBA. Not bad for an undersized, not-very-athletic tandem.

Astonishing stat No. 2: With both Olynyk and Sullinger on the court, Boston (22-46 on the season) is outscoring opponents by 2.0 points per 100 possessions – a point differential that would be 13th-best in the league, if extrapolated over the entire regular season. Essentially, the duo has made the Celtics above-average, a most impressive feat considering that they currently own the NBA’s fourth-worst record. No other regular Celtics frontcourt pairing has come particularly close.


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« Reply #222 on: March 18, 2014, 04:23:03 PM »

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I am about to tell you some optimistic stats regarding the Sullinger-Olynyk duo, but please keep in mind that a fair amount of their 417 minutes together this season (I’m not sure exactly how many) have come against second units. That shouldn’t completely remove your excitement, but it should temper your reaction to the nice numbers. Remember: both of the youngsters can struggle against elite length and athleticism, but neither of those traits are as prevalent coming off the bench.

And 417 minutes together are fewer than you ideally want while exploring a two-man duo.
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Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #223 on: March 18, 2014, 04:29:08 PM »

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Wiggins,  gordon, mcdaniel,  grant, parker (defense needs to improve but is a good rebounder and shot blocker) would help sully, olynyk with rebounding and especially rim protection. (Green needs to be traded before next season)

These two guys unless we draft embiid , get a legit center via trade/fa, look like/sb the frontcourt starting duo next season.

Re: Sullinger and Olynyk duo
« Reply #224 on: March 19, 2014, 03:37:11 PM »

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With humphries likely not brought back and bass coming off the bench for nezt season, will sully and olynyk get a chance to start next season?

What do ppl think