Doc finally admits "I Really didn't want to go through a rebuild"

[Rhyso]

"But when the deal first fell apart, I told [Celtics president of basketball operations] Danny [Ainge], 'I'll coach again here, I'll come back.' And then, a day later, I told him: I don't know if I can. That's how wishy-washy I was. But when I said that, Danny said, "OK, let me get back to work and get this thing done.'"

Odd. He really wanted to sign a long term large contract a year earlier. You'd think he would have said "Hey guys. Just so you know I reeealllyy don't want to go through a rebuild. If we do that then I will look for another team while under contract and I'll leak it to Stephen A Smith"

Doc just keeps insulting us like it's no big deal whatsoever.  He's really easily become my second most disliked former Celts coach. The only coach that was ever just too good to coach us.

And thus the footer. I was apparently ahead of the curve? The S.A.S leak and everything else, when laid out on a timeline just made no sense unless Doc was acting really shady (I'm convinced it began before his last coached game w/Celtics.) The timeline...it's hard to believe otherwise.

Wyc was rightfully p---ed and Danny was rake over coals by a set of negotiators who had no rights to negotiate on Sterlings behalf. It was painful to watch.

Doc was advising about Bledsoe while not talking to his employer (Celtics). He goes on WEEI and implies this was not his idea but went "Danny came to him..." it was what was best for everyone..? ****? Made no sense.


Now read the top quote from Doc's lips. Where are the folks claiming Danny was trying to nuke the franchise and making Paul and K.G. sad   Where you at now? Where you at???  You move along AFTER you understand what went on and not before.

I'm surprised if any of you are surprised.

Are you saying Danny wasn't trying to nuke the franchise? And by 'nuke' i assume you mean blow it up and rebuild, because he definitely wanted to do that even if Doc was still here. Doc didn't force Dannys hand, it was the other way around. Reading everything Doc and Danny have said since parting ways, it's clear Danny was going to trade Pierce and KG (or force retierment) and rebuild. Doc didn't  want that and it seems to have basically pushed him out the door. Why should he have to rebuild again? I'm happy for Docs new situation.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

"But when the deal first fell apart, I told [Celtics president of basketball operations] Danny [Ainge], 'I'll coach again here, I'll come back.' And then, a day later, I told him: I don't know if I can. That's how wishy-washy I was. But when I said that, Danny said, "OK, let me get back to work and get this thing done.'"

Odd. He really wanted to sign a long term large contract a year earlier. You'd think he would have said "Hey guys. Just so you know I reeealllyy don't want to go through a rebuild. If we do that then I will look for another team while under contract and I'll leak it to Stephen A Smith"

Doc just keeps insulting us like it's no big deal whatsoever.  He's really easily become my second most disliked former Celts coach. The only coach that was ever just too good to coach us.

And thus the footer. I was apparently ahead of the curve? The S.A.S leak and everything else, when laid out on a timeline just made no sense unless Doc was acting really shady (I'm convinced it began before his last coached game w/Celtics.) The timeline...it's hard to believe otherwise.

Wyc was rightfully p---ed and Danny was rake over coals by a set of negotiators who had no rights to negotiate on Sterlings behalf. It was painful to watch.

Doc was advising about Bledsoe while not talking to his employer (Celtics). He goes on WEEI and implies this was not his idea but went "Danny came to him..." it was what was best for everyone..? ****? Made no sense.


Now read the top quote from Doc's lips. Where are the folks claiming Danny was trying to nuke the franchise and making Paul and K.G. sad   Where you at now? Where you at???  You move along AFTER you understand what went on and not before.

I'm surprised if any of you are surprised.

Are you saying Danny wasn't trying to nuke the franchise? And by 'nuke' i assume you mean blow it up and rebuild, because he definitely wanted to do that even if Doc was still here. Doc didn't force Dannys hand, it was the other way around. Reading everything Doc and Danny have said since parting ways, it's clear Danny was going to trade Pierce and KG (or force retierment) and rebuild. Doc didn't  want that and it seems to have basically pushed him out the door. Why should he have to rebuild again? I'm happy for Docs new situation.

You need to get facts straight please. Doc said right after resigning and being asked directly about it meaning he would be part of a rebuild with tough decisions. He admitted it would be tough but he wanted to show loyalty to a franchise that showed it to him when the city wanted his head.

Am I the only person who remembers that? Nah, not possible...some of the mods at least must recall this since it was what...2 years ago?

Your point makes no sense and misses THE point. The rebuild was going to happen on Doc's watch and he knew it. He said it. It saddened him. But he signed.

As far as Pierce you need to listen to his interviews that have him saying clearly on camera since last Feb at least that he was not going to go through a rebuild and now he's talking about coming back to Boston after he retires and opening a bar and getting and staying involved with the community. Danny gave Paul what he wanted which was a chance. Paul has zero issues with Danny.

K.G. signed a contract with a no trade clause and he was gonna be buried in green until Doc went of the reservation and was taking K.G. with him. K.G. was fine with that. Never read ANYTHING stating he wasn't willing to join Doc. Read that he was willing to waive the clause though.

The situation the Celtics are in and will be in for a while will be rough. If it is anything easier than it will be inspite of Doc not because of him. He reamed this Org to the point where Wyc was throwing him under the bus and Danny too in that first shell shocked interview he gave.

Doc didn't  want that and it seems to have basically pushed him out the door. Why should he have to rebuild again? I'm happy for Docs new situation.

I have no clue what you mean. Doc signed and was on board for it. He KNEW what was coming. Paul was asking for it and K.G.?, only he knows what was going on in his head.

What you said...I have no idea what it means?

[Rhyso]

"But when the deal first fell apart, I told [Celtics president of basketball operations] Danny [Ainge], 'I'll coach again here, I'll come back.' And then, a day later, I told him: I don't know if I can. That's how wishy-washy I was. But when I said that, Danny said, "OK, let me get back to work and get this thing done.'"

Odd. He really wanted to sign a long term large contract a year earlier. You'd think he would have said "Hey guys. Just so you know I reeealllyy don't want to go through a rebuild. If we do that then I will look for another team while under contract and I'll leak it to Stephen A Smith"

Doc just keeps insulting us like it's no big deal whatsoever.  He's really easily become my second most disliked former Celts coach. The only coach that was ever just too good to coach us.

And thus the footer. I was apparently ahead of the curve? The S.A.S leak and everything else, when laid out on a timeline just made no sense unless Doc was acting really shady (I'm convinced it began before his last coached game w/Celtics.) The timeline...it's hard to believe otherwise.

Wyc was rightfully p---ed and Danny was rake over coals by a set of negotiators who had no rights to negotiate on Sterlings behalf. It was painful to watch.

Doc was advising about Bledsoe while not talking to his employer (Celtics). He goes on WEEI and implies this was not his idea but went "Danny came to him..." it was what was best for everyone..? ****? Made no sense.


Now read the top quote from Doc's lips. Where are the folks claiming Danny was trying to nuke the franchise and making Paul and K.G. sad   Where you at now? Where you at???  You move along AFTER you understand what went on and not before.

I'm surprised if any of you are surprised.

Are you saying Danny wasn't trying to nuke the franchise? And by 'nuke' i assume you mean blow it up and rebuild, because he definitely wanted to do that even if Doc was still here. Doc didn't force Dannys hand, it was the other way around. Reading everything Doc and Danny have said since parting ways, it's clear Danny was going to trade Pierce and KG (or force retierment) and rebuild. Doc didn't  want that and it seems to have basically pushed him out the door. Why should he have to rebuild again? I'm happy for Docs new situation.

You need to get facts straight please. Doc said right after resigning and being asked directly about it meaning he would be part of a rebuild with tough decisions. He admitted it would be tough but he wanted to show loyalty to a franchise that showed it to him when the city wanted his head.

Am I the only person who remembers that? Nah, not possible...some of the mods at least must recall this since it was what...2 years ago?

Your point makes no sense and misses THE point. The rebuild was going to happen on Doc's watch and he knew it. He said it. It saddened him. But he signed.

As far as Pierce you need to listen to his interviews that have him saying clearly on camera since last Feb at least that he was not going to go through a rebuild and now he's talking about coming back to Boston after he retires and opening a bar and getting and staying involved with the community. Danny gave Paul what he wanted which was a chance. Paul has zero issues with Danny.

K.G. signed a contract with a no trade clause and he was gonna be buried in green until Doc went of the reservation and was taking K.G. with him. K.G. was fine with that. Never read ANYTHING stating he wasn't willing to join Doc. Read that he was willing to waive the clause though.

The situation the Celtics are in and will be in for a while will be rough. If it is anything easier than it will be inspite of Doc not because of him. He reamed this Org to the point where Wyc was throwing him under the bus and Danny too in that first shell shocked interview he gave.

Doc didn't  want that and it seems to have basically pushed him out the door. Why should he have to rebuild again? I'm happy for Docs new situation.

I have no clue what you mean. Doc signed and was on board for it. He KNEW what was coming. Paul was asking for it and K.G.?, only he knows what was going on in his head.

What you said...I have no idea what it means?

1. Yes when Doc signed his new contract I'm sure he had every intention of going through with the rebuild. People change their minds in 2 years, it's not uncommon. He gave 9 years to the franchise, and just as players asking for a trade he asked for one, and we got compensation. I don't understand why there is bad blood from fans after all he has given to Boston, it is not justified in my opinion.

2. I have my facts straight. Have you watched the recent ESPN interview of Pierce and KG on the trade?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy2G6M7pXOs

Because he directly says he wanted to be a one team player like Dirk, Kobe etc. He says he was "hurt" by it. I am pretty sure everyone could tell he was disappointment he got traded, even though it meant competing for another championship which they still could have done in Boston arguably. KG quote "I feel like things were pushed, forced on us a little bit". Translation: they didn't want to move?

3. The whole move is a win- win for the Celtics and Doc, would you really want a players coach here during a rebuild anyway? Celtics didn't need Doc during the rebuild, we got a pick out of it, and he goes to a contender. Sounds fair to me.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

“It’s all on what they plan on doing,” said Pierce. “If they try to go into a rebuild mode, then, you know, I don’t know if I want to be a part of that. But that’s up to them and what they need to do. I don’t want to go out on a rebuild mode.

“I want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if that’s not going to be here — if that’s going to be somewhere else — so be it. That’s what it has to be. I mean, even the greatest players played for other franchises.

“And sometimes it’s not about the player; it’s about the franchise moving forward and doing what they feel is best for them. And players have their agendas, too, as far as older players as they wind down their career wanting to finish on successful teams.”

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/02/pierce_i_dont_want_to_be_part_of_a_rebuilding_situation


Dude above...you must be joking. Last years signings which Danny and Doc and Management wanted made it impossible to do anything but try and be fair to Paul at best and do for him what he said again and again he wanted to do. Paul is good as he was the only one who said clearly what he wanted.....no part of a rebuild. Doc? He signed and knew what was coming. This is a game and it has rules and a CBA and Doc knew how tough the next few years would be for the Celts...AND HE SIGNED.

If that ESPN vid is how you evaluate the whole thing I dunno what to tell you? Doc screwed the Celts in a really bad way that most folks would just assume move on from but Doc keeps talking and keeps getting closer to what Simmons and folks like me have said since this bizarre spectacle began...own it. Read that quote of his. Can you imagine a Coach...highest paid in the league? 2nd highest? Not opening your mail and giving more info to a ESPN gossip peddler than the Corp paying you MILLIONS? Now he saying he was changing his mind daily? Between Doc and Sterling Danny musta just about lost his mind.

 Doc.....defending him....go for it. Paul is lined up to chase a ring and I'm thrilled. He didn't do what Doc did. K.G., folks really don't wanna look at him hard cuz he was such a soldier but he would be in L.A. and we'd have D.J. if the league hadn't gotten involved. So Paul didn't wanna be here in a transitional year and K.G. was about as clear as scratched plexiglass. Doc...he was under a ****ned contract. End of story. You make his burning of the Celts as nice as you like but he hurt the club and seems to take little shots every chance he gets. He will continue. He's a piece of work.


Figured you were an apologist and one of your first comments. Wanna revise? Think Doc got pushed around? Paul shoved into a corner he was walking towards since Feb? Yeah, Danny did it...it's all Danny's fault.

TP

Basically sounds like Ainge pushed Doc, KG and Pierce into a corner with plans of blowing it up, when i think they all have more left in the tank for another run or two with some additional help.

[clover]

When's he going to admit he's been falsely accusing Danny of lying about the situation for the last three months?

[ACF]

Do we really need two threads  to bash Doc? Come on, now...

[Rhyso]

“It’s all on what they plan on doing,” said Pierce. “If they try to go into a rebuild mode, then, you know, I don’t know if I want to be a part of that. But that’s up to them and what they need to do. I don’t want to go out on a rebuild mode.

“I want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if that’s not going to be here — if that’s going to be somewhere else — so be it. That’s what it has to be. I mean, even the greatest players played for other franchises.

“And sometimes it’s not about the player; it’s about the franchise moving forward and doing what they feel is best for them. And players have their agendas, too, as far as older players as they wind down their career wanting to finish on successful teams.”

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/02/pierce_i_dont_want_to_be_part_of_a_rebuilding_situation


Dude above...you must be joking. Last years signings which Danny and Doc and Management wanted made it impossible to do anything but try and be fair to Paul at best and do for him what he said again and again he wanted to do. Paul is good as he was the only one who said clearly what he wanted.....no part of a rebuild. Doc? He signed and knew what was coming. This is a game and it has rules and a CBA and Doc knew how tough the next few years would be for the Celts...AND HE SIGNED.

If that ESPN vid is how you evaluate the whole thing I dunno what to tell you? Doc screwed the Celts in a really bad way that most folks would just assume move on from but Doc keeps talking and keeps getting closer to what Simmons and folks like me have said since this bizarre spectacle began...own it. Read that quote of his. Can you imagine a Coach...highest paid in the league? 2nd highest? Not opening your mail and giving more info to a ESPN gossip peddler than the Corp paying you MILLIONS? Now he saying he was changing his mind daily? Between Doc and Sterling Danny musta just about lost his mind.

 Doc.....defending him....go for it. Paul is lined up to chase a ring and I'm thrilled. He didn't do what Doc did. K.G., folks really don't wanna look at him hard cuz he was such a soldier but he would be in L.A. and we'd have D.J. if the league hadn't gotten involved. So Paul didn't wanna be here in a transitional year and K.G. was about as clear as scratched plexiglass. Doc...he was under a ****ned contract. End of story. You make his burning of the Celts as nice as you like but he hurt the club and seems to take little shots every chance he gets. He will continue. He's a piece of work.


Figured you were an apologist and one of your first comments. Wanna revise? Think Doc got pushed around? Paul shoved into a corner he was walking towards since Feb? Yeah, Danny did it...it's all Danny's fault.

TP

Basically sounds like Ainge pushed Doc, KG and Pierce into a corner with plans of blowing it up, when i think they all have more left in the tank for another run or two with some additional help.

I am not joking, and if you can't accept my opinion shared then that ends our discussion. Have a read of the forum rules if you want a better chance of having a civil and constructive argument free of unnecessarily aggressive tone.

[Onslaught]

If he didn't want to be in Boston anymore then that's ok. He had a long run with us and we won a championship with him. I have no hard feelings at all about Doc but I can't wish him well because that would mean I'm hoping for good things for an LA team.

I do think he was the one that started the trade. But I'm 100% ok with that.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

“It’s all on what they plan on doing,” said Pierce. “If they try to go into a rebuild mode, then, you know, I don’t know if I want to be a part of that. But that’s up to them and what they need to do. I don’t want to go out on a rebuild mode.

“I want an opportunity to at least try to win another championship, simple and plain. And if that’s not going to be here — if that’s going to be somewhere else — so be it. That’s what it has to be. I mean, even the greatest players played for other franchises.

“And sometimes it’s not about the player; it’s about the franchise moving forward and doing what they feel is best for them. And players have their agendas, too, as far as older players as they wind down their career wanting to finish on successful teams.”

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/02/pierce_i_dont_want_to_be_part_of_a_rebuilding_situation


Dude above...you must be joking. Last years signings which Danny and Doc and Management wanted made it impossible to do anything but try and be fair to Paul at best and do for him what he said again and again he wanted to do. Paul is good as he was the only one who said clearly what he wanted.....no part of a rebuild. Doc? He signed and knew what was coming. This is a game and it has rules and a CBA and Doc knew how tough the next few years would be for the Celts...AND HE SIGNED.

If that ESPN vid is how you evaluate the whole thing I dunno what to tell you? Doc screwed the Celts in a really bad way that most folks would just assume move on from but Doc keeps talking and keeps getting closer to what Simmons and folks like me have said since this bizarre spectacle began...own it. Read that quote of his. Can you imagine a Coach...highest paid in the league? 2nd highest? Not opening your mail and giving more info to a ESPN gossip peddler than the Corp paying you MILLIONS? Now he saying he was changing his mind daily? Between Doc and Sterling Danny musta just about lost his mind.

 Doc.....defending him....go for it. Paul is lined up to chase a ring and I'm thrilled. He didn't do what Doc did. K.G., folks really don't wanna look at him hard cuz he was such a soldier but he would be in L.A. and we'd have D.J. if the league hadn't gotten involved. So Paul didn't wanna be here in a transitional year and K.G. was about as clear as scratched plexiglass. Doc...he was under a ****ned contract. End of story. You make his burning of the Celts as nice as you like but he hurt the club and seems to take little shots every chance he gets. He will continue. He's a piece of work.


Figured you were an apologist and one of your first comments. Wanna revise? Think Doc got pushed around? Paul shoved into a corner he was walking towards since Feb? Yeah, Danny did it...it's all Danny's fault.

TP

Basically sounds like Ainge pushed Doc, KG and Pierce into a corner with plans of blowing it up, when i think they all have more left in the tank for another run or two with some additional help.

I am not joking, and if you can't accept my opinion shared then that ends our discussion. Have a read of the forum rules if you want a better chance of having a civil and constructive argument free of unnecessarily aggressive tone.

Your wrong. On June 28th and today. I don't care about opinions. I went to great lengths to explain to folks via a timeline that Doc was making no sense. Put him in my footer. Every time Doc opens his mouth he moves closer to the truth. I believe Wyc is telling the truth

. “I mean, Doc left us, period. Doc left us. No spin will take that away. It was his idea and he left, and we made the best of it.

Doc is a liar. Danny is a G.M. who basically said what Wyc did but he's gotta do business in this league so he has to move on faster than a fan/owner like Wyc. Wyc got non performance on a contract. He was p---ed. I am a fan. I was p---ed. It was draft time/trade time and we are in a Circus during the Finals and we looked like morons scheduling and canceling 2 pressers just to get somebody to do something. Glen Rivers got paid a loot to coach All Stars. That musta been tough. He lost the locker room and was calling players soft to the media and accusing them of being children when they pushed back. He couldn't even keep his own vet laden locker room tidy. I don't care that he's gone. I do care that folks try and make it a less than epic mess it was which was ALL brought about by Doc.

This is a forum. I'm not your friend. I didn't call you names. Saying "You must be joking" ruffles your feathers?....that's not my problem.

[greg_kite]

While Doc was the coach when they won the title, I'm not sure we won because of him.

With the offensive talent this team had they always struggled offensively.  Doc over complicated the system and didn't let them "just play". 

How often did you find yourself saying to yourself, "Wow, Doc knows what he's doing"?  Maybe a few plays at the end of games?

[Bingbangbarros]

By end of the game are you referring to the Pierce isolations that resulted in him either missing the shot or turning it over?

[billysan]

Coaches come and coaches go. Doc will always be one who coached the Celtics to the NBA Championship. Now we will see if Brad can lead us going forward or will he fall by the wayside like Pitino?

I would like to point out that like him or not, Danny got us a first round pick for a coach that had decided he was done with us. Not bad, we basically fired Doc for quitting on us and Danny got a pile of tangible assets for PP and and KG.

If history is any indicator, we will be watching while Danny is making a big move or two in the draft, a trade, or a significant Free Agent signing in the next 12-18 months.

That is how he got us to our most recent Championship and finals run(s).

[SHAQATTACK]

Yes ,  we won the title in spite of him, not because of him.
Rivers can go kiss off for all I care.

Done supporting him .

Doc Who?   

[pearljammer10]

wasn't this apparent?

[Tr1boy]

wasn't this apparent?

Yup. This guy was trying to say the sky wasnt blue the longest time.  He could of been a lawyer if he wasnt in basketball.