Would you make this Rondo trade

[Chris]

Any discussion about Rondo trades have to be couched by declaring when the trade is.  I don't think it is smart to trade Rondo right now unless it is a real knock your socks off deal (say something like what Phili got for Holliday).

The Celtics should let the season play out some and see what we have both with Rondo and others.  With Rondo, we need to see that he is healed and we also need to see how he is going to be on a team without PP and KG.  Many feel this will allow him to blossom, others feel this will expose his flaws.  Time will tell but Rondo will still be a trade asset.

In terms of the balance of the roster, we also need to see what we have.  That will help us to be clearer on what we want back in return for Rondo (if he is ultimately traded).  There may be some surprises both good and bad.  We think we need this or that right now but half way through this season, things may look a whole lot different.

I expect multiple big trades this year with Rondo and Wallace being key pieces.  I think both are going to play up to or above expecation increasing their value.  I also think we have enough draft pick so we need to get something back that is better than more picks.

That's interesting. Jrue Holiday, who is an All-Star point guard with tons of potential and a very team friendly contract--and only projects to get better as he's only 22, was traded along with a 2014 draft pick and the #42 pick, for the 6th pick in an incredibly weak draft class, specifically for a player who had already torn his ACL.

So, to recap, Philly sent out:
All-Star PG
2014 first rounder
Second round draft pick


and received Nerlens Noel.


So that team, with their best player being their All-Star point guard on a newly minted Rondo-esque contract, decided to trade him away and receive some literally damaged goods, and it's a haul, but many people here don't want to trade Rondo for anyone in the 2014 draft class.

That's interesting.

This is wrong.  Philly got a 2014 draft pick, they didn't send one.

It was Holiday and a second rounder for Noel and New Orleans 2014 pick, which I believe is top 3 protected.

I think if you could trade Rondo for a a blue chip prospect like Noel, and a potential lottery pick in 2014, then a lot more people would get on board.  But, I don't expect that kind of value to be there for Rondo, given his age, and injury status, compared to Holiday.

[D.o.s.]

My mistake. That's a much better return for Philly.

[PhoSita]

Sure the Lakers will be after Rondo when his contract comes due,  the lakers are targeting all the good players  .

Lakers may force Danny to trade Rondo,  unless the Celtics want to outbid other teams.

speaking of the Lakers, what if they totally strike out in free agency next summer do you think either team would do something like this?

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, and Lee

for

Nash, Sacre, 2017 1st

Boston totally clears out all bad contracts and picks up a future first and a young guy in the process for basically swapping Rondo for Nash.  LA would have to re-sign Kobe (13-15 million per or something like that) and Pau (1 yr, 10 million) before the trade and still have the cap room to do it, but that would give them at least a solid team and they would have enough room in 2015 to re-sign Rondo and add someone else if they let Pau walk again.

Not a fan of that deal.  Nash would probably just retire, and if you trade Rondo you've got to get some legitimate younger talent in return.  Sacre doesn't count.

Clearing cap space isn't that important because until we've got the young core in place there's not much need to use cap space to add veteran free agents.

[Moranis]

Sure the Lakers will be after Rondo when his contract comes due,  the lakers are targeting all the good players  .

Lakers may force Danny to trade Rondo,  unless the Celtics want to outbid other teams.

speaking of the Lakers, what if they totally strike out in free agency next summer do you think either team would do something like this?

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, and Lee

for

Nash, Sacre, 2017 1st

Boston totally clears out all bad contracts and picks up a future first and a young guy in the process for basically swapping Rondo for Nash.  LA would have to re-sign Kobe (13-15 million per or something like that) and Pau (1 yr, 10 million) before the trade and still have the cap room to do it, but that would give them at least a solid team and they would have enough room in 2015 to re-sign Rondo and add someone else if they let Pau walk again.

Not a fan of that deal.  Nash would probably just retire, and if you trade Rondo you've got to get some legitimate younger talent in return.  Sacre doesn't count.

Clearing cap space isn't that important because until we've got the young core in place there's not much need to use cap space to add veteran free agents.

I guess I just don't see the young players have as a young core capable of winning a title. 

[PhoSita]

Sure the Lakers will be after Rondo when his contract comes due,  the lakers are targeting all the good players  .

Lakers may force Danny to trade Rondo,  unless the Celtics want to outbid other teams.

speaking of the Lakers, what if they totally strike out in free agency next summer do you think either team would do something like this?

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, and Lee

for

Nash, Sacre, 2017 1st

Boston totally clears out all bad contracts and picks up a future first and a young guy in the process for basically swapping Rondo for Nash.  LA would have to re-sign Kobe (13-15 million per or something like that) and Pau (1 yr, 10 million) before the trade and still have the cap room to do it, but that would give them at least a solid team and they would have enough room in 2015 to re-sign Rondo and add someone else if they let Pau walk again.

Not a fan of that deal.  Nash would probably just retire, and if you trade Rondo you've got to get some legitimate younger talent in return.  Sacre doesn't count.

Clearing cap space isn't that important because until we've got the young core in place there's not much need to use cap space to add veteran free agents.

I guess I just don't see the young players have as a young core capable of winning a title.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

The team ought to be able to get more of future value in return for Rondo than a 2017 1st round pick from the Lakers, which isn't likely to be better than 10-15, and will probably be lower than that.  The Lakers will spend money to stay at least somewhat competitive.  Especially if they trade for Rondo.

Unloading Lee, Bass, and Wallace is not a compelling enough reason to unload Rondo for just a mid 1st round pick.  We can just wait for those players to expire on their own, since we won't have a good reason to use that cap space before then, in all likelihood.

[Moranis]

Sure the Lakers will be after Rondo when his contract comes due,  the lakers are targeting all the good players  .

Lakers may force Danny to trade Rondo,  unless the Celtics want to outbid other teams.

speaking of the Lakers, what if they totally strike out in free agency next summer do you think either team would do something like this?

Rondo, Wallace, Bass, and Lee

for

Nash, Sacre, 2017 1st

Boston totally clears out all bad contracts and picks up a future first and a young guy in the process for basically swapping Rondo for Nash.  LA would have to re-sign Kobe (13-15 million per or something like that) and Pau (1 yr, 10 million) before the trade and still have the cap room to do it, but that would give them at least a solid team and they would have enough room in 2015 to re-sign Rondo and add someone else if they let Pau walk again.

Not a fan of that deal.  Nash would probably just retire, and if you trade Rondo you've got to get some legitimate younger talent in return.  Sacre doesn't count.

Clearing cap space isn't that important because until we've got the young core in place there's not much need to use cap space to add veteran free agents.

I guess I just don't see the young players have as a young core capable of winning a title.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

The team ought to be able to get more of future value in return for Rondo than a 2017 1st round pick from the Lakers, which isn't likely to be better than 10-15, and will probably be lower than that.  The Lakers will spend money to stay at least somewhat competitive.  Especially if they trade for Rondo.

Unloading Lee, Bass, and Wallace is not a compelling enough reason to unload Rondo for just a mid 1st round pick.  We can just wait for those players to expire on their own, since we won't have a good reason to use that cap space before then, in all likelihood.

I just misread your post. You not only get cap space, you also get a much worse team making it far more likely that you get the future core in the draft.  It might not be the best trade out there, but I fully expect the 2013-14 Celtics to be horrible and yet have a huge payroll.  I could see ownership not wanting to do that two years in a row (it is one thing to be bad, it is entirely another to be bad and have a high team salary).