Thunder guard DeAndre Liggins accused of domestic violence

[Global Celtic]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/nba_coverage/2013/09/thunder_guard_liggins_accused_of_domestic_violence

[Roy H.]

Just like with Sully, we need to wait for all of the evidence to come out.

The allegations here are more severe (punching in the head, using objects as weapons, kicking down a down, assault in front of a 2 year old child), but none of that has been proven yet.

[Eric M VAN]

Just like with Sully, we need to wait for all of the evidence to come out.

The allegations here are more severe (punching in the head, using objects as weapons, kicking down a down, assault in front of a 2 year old child), but none of that has been proven yet.

I went over to the Thunder page on SBNation and also looked at a couple of Thunder fan boards, not seeing the amount of traffic on the subject as the Sullinger incident has garnered here.

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2013/9/4/4693338/deandre-liggins-accused-of-domestic-violence-more-details-of

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2013/8/31/4681716/deandre-liggins-arrested-on-charges-of-domestic-battery/in/4457359

One person writes

Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner  View Post
Careful throwing judgments around here. In these domestic situations, things often do not happen the way the alleged victim reports them.

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Another answers

There's always that potential Mid. However, it's becoming increasingly irrelevant.

There was a time folks still generally adhered to the notion that a person is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law.

Somewhere along the way that seem to be replaced by presumed innocent, unless charged, because they don't charge people for no reason.

Then it seemed to become someone was presumed innocent unless the police interviewed them, because cops have too much to do to bother with folks who haven't been bad.

These days, more and more it seems we've leaped on over to if you make the paper in a negative light, you're as good as cooked.

The presumption of innocence is today like the tooth fairy. Everyone knows about it, but believing in it is a whole different matter.


Which is right where I am with these things which is whatever happened to presumed innocent? (instead of being first to report etc)

[bfrombleacher]

Add Royce White to the list...

[cltc5]

Lock em up and throw away the key

[Eja117]

Just like with Sully, we need to wait for all of the evidence to come out.

The allegations here are more severe (punching in the head, using objects as weapons, kicking down a down, assault in front of a 2 year old child), but none of that has been proven yet.

I went over to the Thunder page on SBNation and also looked at a couple of Thunder fan boards, not seeing the amount of traffic on the subject as the Sullinger incident has garnered here.

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2013/9/4/4693338/deandre-liggins-accused-of-domestic-violence-more-details-of

http://www.welcometoloudcity.com/2013/8/31/4681716/deandre-liggins-arrested-on-charges-of-domestic-battery/in/4457359

One person writes

Quote Originally Posted by Midtowner  View Post
Careful throwing judgments around here. In these domestic situations, things often do not happen the way the alleged victim reports them.

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Another answers

There's always that potential Mid. However, it's becoming increasingly irrelevant.

There was a time folks still generally adhered to the notion that a person is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law.

Somewhere along the way that seem to be replaced by presumed innocent, unless charged, because they don't charge people for no reason.

Then it seemed to become someone was presumed innocent unless the police interviewed them, because cops have too much to do to bother with folks who haven't been bad.

These days, more and more it seems we've leaped on over to if you make the paper in a negative light, you're as good as cooked.

The presumption of innocence is today like the tooth fairy. Everyone knows about it, but believing in it is a whole different matter.


Which is right where I am with these things which is whatever happened to presumed innocent? (instead of being first to report etc)

Because nobody believes the fairy tale of the perfectly innocent guy who is treating his girlfriend great and then gets arrested for battery. If anything we've learned that a lot of abuses never get reported, let alone arrested, let alone proven guilty in court.

It just reminds me of Chris Rock's bit with some rephrasing...."trash is always wanting credit for something they're suppppooosseeed to do.  'I ain't never been arrested!'   You're not suuupppoooosseeed to get arrested you dumb low expectation piece of trash!" 

Should we presume Al Capone was innocent of everything except not paying his taxes?  In the mean time I live in the real world.  I would love love love it if it can be proven than this is all a set up and that he was miles away, and I would love to say how incredibly wrong I was. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

[Eric M VAN]

And that's exactly why they have due process, so all of the people who "know" exactly the guilt or innocence of a person before a trial don't get a chance to string them up before the trial.

[Eja117]

I'm not saying I "know" if he's guilty or not. Just that unless he's found very very very innocent I wouldn't really want him on the team.

I think the culture of the NBA needs a big change.  I'm tired of these excuses and bull.  Guns in the locker room. Beat up girlfriends. Drugs all over the place. Rape.

I look at it the way the Pats said they looked at the Hernandez thing. If you're actually getting arrested you are too close to the crime.  And in this case not some little crime like possession or something. Assault and battery of a much smaller woman.

I'm not saying he'll be found guilty. I'm saying I don't trust him any more and it would be difficult to get it back.

[Eric M VAN]

I'm not saying I "know" if he's guilty or not. Just that unless he's found very very very innocent I wouldn't really want him on the team.

I think the culture of the NBA needs a big change.  I'm tired of these excuses and bull.  Guns in the locker room. Beat up girlfriends. Drugs all over the place. Rape.

I look at it the way the Pats said they looked at the Hernandez thing. If you're actually getting arrested you are too close to the crime.  And in this case not some little crime like possession or something. Assault and battery of a much smaller woman.

I'm not saying he'll be found guilty. I'm saying I don't trust him any more and it would be difficult to get it back.

I understand what you're saying, but imagine being falsely accused of a crime and your best friends and family and employers etc having the same attitude towards you...

nuff said

[Eja117]

I'm not saying I "know" if he's guilty or not. Just that unless he's found very very very innocent I wouldn't really want him on the team.

I think the culture of the NBA needs a big change.  I'm tired of these excuses and bull.  Guns in the locker room. Beat up girlfriends. Drugs all over the place. Rape.

I look at it the way the Pats said they looked at the Hernandez thing. If you're actually getting arrested you are too close to the crime.  And in this case not some little crime like possession or something. Assault and battery of a much smaller woman.

I'm not saying he'll be found guilty. I'm saying I don't trust him any more and it would be difficult to get it back.

I understand what you're saying, but imagine being falsely accused of a crime and your best friends and family and employers etc having the same attitude towards you...

nuff said

If I have my day in court and am proven innocent and I hire a lawyer to sue the hell out of the girl then I can get new friends and new employers.  Sully won't have any trouble whatsoever being employed. Don't you worry about that. He'll be making quite a bit of money for a while. It's the spending part he may have issues with....on lawyers

[sahara]

If anything we've learned that a lot of abuses never get reported, let alone arrested, let alone proven guilty in court.

And would you please take notice of the female on male DV-cases that never gets reported (I´m guessing about 90%?)?

[barefacedmonk]

He has been waived by OKC.

[lightspeed5]

wow some of you are overreacting to  the sully news.  i still listen to chris brown, i dont care what he does off the court. same thing with sully, its irrelevant. i just want to watch good basketball.

[Eja117]

If anything we've learned that a lot of abuses never get reported, let alone arrested, let alone proven guilty in court.

And would you please take notice of the female on male DV-cases that never gets reported (I´m guessing about 90%?)?

I will absolutely take notice of the female on male DV cases.   However female on NBA power forward DV cases?  Or female on NFL linebacker DV cases? Or female on sumo wrestler DV cases? Or female on NHL player DV cases? Or female on UFC DV cases?  Or female on Navy Seal DV cases? Not quite as much.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

If anything we've learned that a lot of abuses never get reported, let alone arrested, let alone proven guilty in court.

And would you please take notice of the female on male DV-cases that never gets reported (I´m guessing about 90%?)?

I will absolutely take notice of the female on male DV cases.   However female on NBA power forward DV cases?  Or female on NFL linebacker DV cases? Or female on sumo wrestler DV cases? Or female on NHL player DV cases? Or female on UFC DV cases?  Or female on Navy Seal DV cases? Not quite as much.

I don't know what you know but from what you are saying, not much about female on male DV. It is rarely the case where the man was abused because he was smaller and couldn't defend himself against the woman. There are many reasons why men don't defend themselves against a woman abuser or "allow" it... men who don't want to fight a woman, men with low self-esteem who think they deserve it,  men who were abused as children, men who are afraid to fight back fearing repercussion by the woman's family, etc. Then, the reason why most of it goes unreported is because of the same reason they don't report being sexually abused, shame and embarrassment. ANY sized person can be abused, no matter if they are an MMA fighter, it's not about whether they can defend themselves or not. The way you are throwing around guys who are big and strong is just the reason why they don't come forward... who's going to believe, not judge, and mock a man who gets abused by a woman? It's sad you feel the way you do but you're entitled to that opinion.


Edit: even a smaller man more often than not can overpower a bigger woman than themselves, so again, it's more about the mental side than size and strength!