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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #195 on: August 27, 2013, 11:00:51 PM »

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Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk

I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.

Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #196 on: August 27, 2013, 11:05:23 PM »

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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas

Any thoughts of starting Fournier and bringing Stephenson off the bench?

Stephenson put in his work in Indiana and learned under Bird, and when they called his number, he showed up (for the most part, Im not claiming he was a super star). I think showing faith in him when his play has demanded it is the type of positive reinforcement that'll carry water with Stephenson. Fournier will get his time but unless We trade lance, he's probably starting

I just feel that you have a lot of offense in your starting lineup and could use some more off your bench.

Fournier still spreads the floor well by knocking down the 3.

Oh, Im high on Fournier, no mistake. But I think you do more damage to Stephenson's game by benching him than you get back by starting Fournier. They'll likely just about split the minutes at the 2, but Stephenson gets the start for me.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #197 on: August 27, 2013, 11:11:42 PM »

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Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk

I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.

Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.

If the Lakers had a more balanced small forward  and PG, I'd rate them so much higher but The Prince is just too one dimensional and Calderon couldn't guard a chair bolted to the ground.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #198 on: August 27, 2013, 11:16:56 PM »

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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas

I'm a Kyrie denier. Dude's gotta play a whole season once in his life for me to buy him as a catalyst for a great team. That with Gall's inability to play a full season makes me question how this team will function when they can't rely on their two best perimeter players. And with those question marks I can't see Gasol driving this team on his own, especially with Gallo listed as his number one back up.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #199 on: August 27, 2013, 11:18:15 PM »

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PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #200 on: August 27, 2013, 11:20:28 PM »

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PG: Tony Parker, Will Bynum
SG: Eric Gordon, Brandon Knight
SF: AK47, Jonas Jerebko
PF: Kenneth Faried, Tyler Hansborough
C: Enes Kanter, Chris Kaman

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Thoughts?

I think that Tony Parker is really good. I think that this is the year Gordon comes within spitting distance of justifying his contract. I think that Kenneth Faried is coming dangerously close to being criminally overrated. I think that Enes Kanter is going to flirt with 16 and 12 next season, but it'll be the kind of cheap 15 and 12 that Vucevic flirted with in Orlando. I also think he's still going to be a top-20 center next season as a basement. I think that I was very surprised to see AK-47 was better as a 3 than as a 4 (and I checked). I also think though that his sub-30% 3pt number isn't going to improve much if at all, and that's a big deal for a team that starts Faried and Gordon. Ultimately, I don't think it's a playoff team until the shooting gets addressed, but I also think there is a very good chance Im underestimating them.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #201 on: August 27, 2013, 11:22:10 PM »

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Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk

I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.

Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.

I think defending the 1 is an overrated issue in general.  Rondo (who many call one of the top PG defenders in the league) can't really slow down the top offensive PGs.  Another great defender, Mike Conley, couldn't really slow down Chris Paul or Tony Parker in the playoffs.

It's just too hard to defend PGs on the ball.  The way to defend them is to have great team defense in place.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #202 on: August 27, 2013, 11:23:41 PM »

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What does Cleveland need?

Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)

I like that you're building this in reflection of the 2011 C's. I think you need to play horford closer to 38 to get the most out of this team and you have to find a way to get crawford more minutes to get the most out of him and not have him back up the 1, where he'll kill the ball movement.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #203 on: August 27, 2013, 11:25:35 PM »

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What does Cleveland need?

Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)

I like that you're building this in reflection of the 2011 C's. I think you need to play horford closer to 38 to get the most out of this team and you have to find a way to get crawford more minutes to get the most out of him and not have him back up the 1, where he'll kill the ball movement.

Thanks KC. TP.

Think Craw could play a few minutes at the 3? If he could, we have no problem giving him some of Wallace's minutes.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #204 on: August 27, 2013, 11:26:33 PM »

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Kyrie Irving/Isaiah Thomas
Lance Stephenson/Evan Fournier
Danillo Gallinari/Corey Brewer
Pau Gasol/Gallinari/Splitter
Tiago Splitter/Jonas Valanciunas

I'm a Kyrie denier. Dude's gotta play a whole season once in his life for me to buy him as a catalyst for a great team. That with Gall's inability to play a full season makes me question how this team will function when they can't rely on their two best perimeter players. And with those question marks I can't see Gasol driving this team on his own, especially with Gallo listed as his number one back up.

I can understand that. We need Gallo and Irving to finish the year. Corey Brewer and Isaiah Thomas can both start as okay options when needed, so Im actually pretty comfortable with that. On the bright side, Gallo's ahead of the curve this year, he's gonna start late so he can finish.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #205 on: August 27, 2013, 11:30:48 PM »

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What does Cleveland need?

Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)

I like that you're building this in reflection of the 2011 C's. I think you need to play horford closer to 38 to get the most out of this team and you have to find a way to get crawford more minutes to get the most out of him and not have him back up the 1, where he'll kill the ball movement.

Thanks KC. TP.

Think Craw could play a few minutes at the 3? If he could, we have no problem giving him some of Wallace's minutes.

I think TA may very well be your best option at SF.  Depending on matchups, you may very well get away with it.

Wallace is flat terrible, and Butler has lost quite a bit over the last few years.

Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #206 on: August 27, 2013, 11:31:27 PM »

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Calderon | Barea
Matthews | Delfino | [Pondexter]
Mbah a Moute | Pondexter | [Delfino] | [Matthews]
Nowitzki | Davis | [Mbah a Moute]
Gasol | [Davis] | Olynyk

I think this a really well balanced roster. The talent on 1-3 is pretty average, but no players who look like they're gonna bottom out next season or anything. Obviously the teams success hinges on Dirk and Gasol. I think Gasol's annointment as DPOY was in error, but he's a very good defensive player. Elite. LRMAM is also the defender that metrics forgot, and fits because of Dirk's range and scoring acumen. Gasol plays the Tyson Chandler role here, and isn't a liability on offense, being on of the most skilled 5s in the league. If I was gonna have a axe to grind here, it'd be with there being no legitimate defender at the 1 on the roster. Teams with shooting 1s who can score in volume should feast on Calderon and Barea alike. There are viable defenders at the 2 and 3 though, so teams without a guy to make them pay will have a tough time making due otherwise.

Good team, don't think they're really top of the crop , but I don't think you can rule them out of anything.

I think defending the 1 is an overrated issue in general.  Rondo (who many call one of the top PG defenders in the league) can't really slow down the top offensive PGs.  Another great defender, Mike Conley, couldn't really slow down Chris Paul or Tony Parker in the playoffs.

It's just too hard to defend PGs on the ball.  The way to defend them is to have great team defense in place.

I think that's true and not true at the same time. With PG's who need to rely on penetrating to impact the game will have a tough time with this roster, but guys like Curry, Irving, Paul, Parker, they're going to have their way here, because their game is reliant on being able to circumvent the help defense. Some of them are shooters, some are scorers who can get it at will because of mystical floaters and flip shots, but if you can score easily without needing to finish at the rim, this roster is in trouble.

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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #207 on: August 27, 2013, 11:36:03 PM »

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What does Cleveland need?

Also, if you're curious, this is the likely playoff rotation:
Lawson (35) / Crawford (13)
Allen (30) / Crawford (18)
Butler (28) / Wallace (20)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (35) / Horford (13)

I love the 3-man rotation with the bigs. Took a page out of my book.

I don't see the point in playing Crash big minutes.

Overall, I don't think there is much to say otherwise than to note that your team is really well balanced. Well put together squad. A little low on star power, but great on fit.

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like that is always lethal." - Evan 'The God' Turner

Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #208 on: August 27, 2013, 11:40:35 PM »

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I suppose Crash could just be a regular-season tough body to play, and maybe we only use him in select matchups in the playoffs.

Would people be more in favor of a rotation like this:

Lawson (35) / <PG>
Allen (15) / Crawford (33)
Butler (28) / Allen (15) / Wallace (5)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (33) / Horford (15)

?

Wallace is flat terrible, and Butler has lost quite a bit over the last few years.

Also, I just want to say that Butler's offensive stats were still well above average last season.
.424 FG% and .388 from three. Pretty good at the SF spot. Wallace has lost it offensively but he's still tough as nails defensively. Butler still has the nice shooting stroke.
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Re: 2013 CB Draft: How's my CB Draft Team look?
« Reply #209 on: August 27, 2013, 11:46:18 PM »

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I suppose Crash could just be a regular-season tough body to play, and maybe we only use him in select matchups in the playoffs.

Would people be more in favor of a rotation like this:

Lawson (35) / <PG>
Allen (15) / Crawford (33)
Butler (28) / Allen (15) / Wallace (5)
Horford (20) / Landry (28)
Garnett (33) / Horford (15)

?

Well, as you say, Crash will have to play, just to keep eveyone fresh in the regular season.  Come playoffs, I'd try to avoid playing him if I could.

Your best lineup for end of games situations may very well be Lawson/Crawford/Allen/Horford/Garnett.  Depends on the SF you're facing.