Celtics vs Cavs,Wizards,Raptors,Hawks,Bucks

[PhoSita]

Easy question. Are Cavs,Wizards,Raptors,Hawks,Bucks better than the Celtics right now??

If none of these teams are not better, than why do the Celtics have no chance to make the playoffs??

If one or several of these teams are better, how are they better??

The Hawks and Wizards are definitely better.

The Bucks and Cavs could very well be better, and even the Raptors could be.

I wouldn't put money on the Celtics being better than any of those teams.

2013 wizard team wins 29 last year and havent made the playoffs in a lifetime and they are better? Wall is better than rondo? Wiz dont even have a legit sf

Hawks lost smith and he is a better player than milsap and brand combined.

Wizards were 24-25 with Wall playing last year.  They were well above .500 (in a relatively small sample) when Wall, Nene, and Beal were all playing.

I expect them to win close to 41 games this year, maybe a bit more.

Millsap + Brand is definitely better than Smith + Pachulia in my book, especially when you consider that Millsap is probably a better fit next to Horford and won't take nearly as many bad shots.

[PhoSita]

Easy question. Are Cavs,Wizards,Raptors,Hawks,Bucks better than the Celtics right now??

If none of these teams are not better, than why do the Celtics have no chance to make the playoffs??

If one or several of these teams are better, how are they better??

The Hawks and Wizards are definitely better.

The Bucks and Cavs could very well be better, and even the Raptors could be.

I wouldn't put money on the Celtics being better than any of those teams.

I'd feel pretty safe betting that the Celtics will end up with a better record than at least one of those teams.

Yeah but which one? That's the tough part. They're better than Cleveland if Bynum this, or Irving that..they're better than Washington if Wall this..they're better than Milwaukee if Larry Sanders and Brandon Knight don't grow..

All those teams, you need an 'if'. They will probably be better than at least one, but a good number of those teams need a decent growth or good chemistry after a roster shakeup, or both.

I agree.  I see the Celtics in a large group of mediocre-to-ok teams with rosters that are kind of a mess, any of whom could end up winning as many as 35-40 games, but most of whom are much more likely to finish with closer to 25 wins.

[LooseCannon]

Wizards were 24-25 with Wall playing last year.  They were well above .500 (in a relatively small sample) when Wall, Nene, and Beal were all playing.

Who do you predict will be healthier this season, the Wizards or the Celtics?

[bucknersrevenge]

Wizards
Cavaliers
Celtics
Raptors/Bucks
Hawks

How r cavs and wiz better?

Cavs have Irving, Bynum, Varejao, Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, etc. Wizards have Wall, Beal, Okafor, Nene, Porter, Webster, etc. so if both teams are healthy than yes they are better than the Cs.

Your serious right? What has wall and irving done the last several years? What have porter and bennett proven? As far as i know olynyk is ahead with his sl performance.

Waiters? bradley is more proven and a better player.

The thing is this, not stating if okafor/nene and bynum/varejao are healthy and play well these teams are not better. But these are big ifs.

When Wall was playing the Wizards were 24-25 and don't get me wrong it wasn't amazing, but you have to realize that Beal and other guys were injured so it wasn't to bad. Also we are talking about a team that was 5-28 without him so the guy is a winner. Wizards have vastly improved and should have a winning record next season. As for Irving the guy is going to be a SUPERSTAR and now with a good supporting cast the Cavs should have a good season. Also you have to realize that these guys were drafted not very long ago so of course they haven't done much (playoff wise) as both were #1 picks and usually #1 picks go to bad teams. Also what exactly did Rondo do last year?


Lol Waiters has much more potential and will be better (if he isn't already) than Bradley. Bradley is a one trick pony and that is all he will ever be. Bradley shot .402 FG% last year and had to attempt 9.6 shots a game to score 9.2 points. Dion Waiters shot .412 FG% and attempted 13.4 shots a game to score 14.7 points and that isn't good, but he is a rookie. Bradley is probably the most overrated Celtic right now.

So because a team lost more games than they won even WITH him somehow that makes him a winner? AB will likely never be the scorer Waiters may end up being. Then again Waiters I don't believe is as good defensively either so those two may be a push. I don't see anything about Cleveland that automatically makes them any better than Boston on paper. Like Boston, that is a young team with a good PG that has to learn how to incorporate some young talent and learn to play together. Same with Washington while we're at it.

Someone call me the next time John Wall does something important. I don't see anything(as of yeti will say) that separates him from any handful of Washington guards that pre-dated him(Gilbert Arenas, Rod Strickland) also with minimal success in Washington. As far as I'm concerned, they're all at the same level.

[PhoSita]

Wizards were 24-25 with Wall playing last year.  They were well above .500 (in a relatively small sample) when Wall, Nene, and Beal were all playing.

Who do you predict will be healthier this season, the Wizards or the Celtics?

The Wizards.  The Celtics have two main players coming off season-ending surgeries and they also have no incentive as a team to win a lot of games, so they'll take their time bringing guys back and be conservative sitting guys to rehab injuries that come up.  Plus the roster is a total mess so there will be a lot of fluctuation in the rotation.

Whereas the Wizards are locked into John Wall now and have an aging frontcourt.  They're probably feeling pressure to finally make a run at the playoffs again and maybe try to attract some free agents in the future.

On top of that, they have a young rising-star point guard and a nice combo of above average centers.  Even if Wall and Nene miss some games, that's still a recipe for at least modest success, provided guys like Beal, Porter, Maynor, Seraphin, Webster etc are productive.


To go more directly to answering your question -- I would bet on Wall playing more games this season than Rondo, and probably averaging more minutes as well.

[ronaldo943]

Wizards
Cavaliers
Celtics
Raptors/Bucks
Hawks

How r cavs and wiz better?

Cavs have Irving, Bynum, Varejao, Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, etc. Wizards have Wall, Beal, Okafor, Nene, Porter, Webster, etc. so if both teams are healthy than yes they are better than the Cs.

Your serious right? What has wall and irving done the last several years? What have porter and bennett proven? As far as i know olynyk is ahead with his sl performance.

Waiters? bradley is more proven and a better player.

The thing is this, not stating if okafor/nene and bynum/varejao are healthy and play well these teams are not better. But these are big ifs.

When Wall was playing the Wizards were 24-25 and don't get me wrong it wasn't amazing, but you have to realize that Beal and other guys were injured so it wasn't to bad. Also we are talking about a team that was 5-28 without him so the guy is a winner. Wizards have vastly improved and should have a winning record next season. As for Irving the guy is going to be a SUPERSTAR and now with a good supporting cast the Cavs should have a good season. Also you have to realize that these guys were drafted not very long ago so of course they haven't done much (playoff wise) as both were #1 picks and usually #1 picks go to bad teams. Also what exactly did Rondo do last year?


Lol Waiters has much more potential and will be better (if he isn't already) than Bradley. Bradley is a one trick pony and that is all he will ever be. Bradley shot .402 FG% last year and had to attempt 9.6 shots a game to score 9.2 points. Dion Waiters shot .412 FG% and attempted 13.4 shots a game to score 14.7 points and that isn't good, but he is a rookie. Bradley is probably the most overrated Celtic right now.

So because a team lost more games than they won even WITH him somehow that makes him a winner? AB will likely never be the scorer Waiters may end up being. Then again Waiters I don't believe is as good defensively either so those two may be a push. I don't see anything about Cleveland that automatically makes them any better than Boston on paper. Like Boston, that is a young team with a good PG that has to learn how to incorporate some young talent and learn to play together. Same with Washington while we're at it.

Someone call me the next time John Wall does something important. I don't see anything(as of yeti will say) that separates him from any handful of Washington guards that pre-dated him(Gilbert Arenas, Rod Strickland) also with minimal success in Washington. As far as I'm concerned, they're all at the same level.

You're not understanding he led a 5-28 team to those 24 wins also the Cs didn't have a great record when Rondo was playing last year.

[bucknersrevenge]

Wizards
Cavaliers
Celtics
Raptors/Bucks
Hawks

How r cavs and wiz better?

Cavs have Irving, Bynum, Varejao, Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, etc. Wizards have Wall, Beal, Okafor, Nene, Porter, Webster, etc. so if both teams are healthy than yes they are better than the Cs.

Your serious right? What has wall and irving done the last several years? What have porter and bennett proven? As far as i know olynyk is ahead with his sl performance.

Waiters? bradley is more proven and a better player.

The thing is this, not stating if okafor/nene and bynum/varejao are healthy and play well these teams are not better. But these are big ifs.

When Wall was playing the Wizards were 24-25 and don't get me wrong it wasn't amazing, but you have to realize that Beal and other guys were injured so it wasn't to bad. Also we are talking about a team that was 5-28 without him so the guy is a winner. Wizards have vastly improved and should have a winning record next season. As for Irving the guy is going to be a SUPERSTAR and now with a good supporting cast the Cavs should have a good season. Also you have to realize that these guys were drafted not very long ago so of course they haven't done much (playoff wise) as both were #1 picks and usually #1 picks go to bad teams. Also what exactly did Rondo do last year?


Lol Waiters has much more potential and will be better (if he isn't already) than Bradley. Bradley is a one trick pony and that is all he will ever be. Bradley shot .402 FG% last year and had to attempt 9.6 shots a game to score 9.2 points. Dion Waiters shot .412 FG% and attempted 13.4 shots a game to score 14.7 points and that isn't good, but he is a rookie. Bradley is probably the most overrated Celtic right now.

So because a team lost more games than they won even WITH him somehow that makes him a winner? AB will likely never be the scorer Waiters may end up being. Then again Waiters I don't believe is as good defensively either so those two may be a push. I don't see anything about Cleveland that automatically makes them any better than Boston on paper. Like Boston, that is a young team with a good PG that has to learn how to incorporate some young talent and learn to play together. Same with Washington while we're at it.

Someone call me the next time John Wall does something important. I don't see anything(as of yeti will say) that separates him from any handful of Washington guards that pre-dated him(Gilbert Arenas, Rod Strickland) also with minimal success in Washington. As far as I'm concerned, they're all at the same level.

You're not understanding he led a 5-28 team to those 24 wins also the Cs didn't have a great record when Rondo was playing last year.

Oh I understand perfectly. You've just said Wall led his team to a below .500 record last year. Something pretty par for the course since Wall has been in the league. No, I'm pretty sure I got that. The C's didn't start out great last year. History says they would have righted the ship WITH Rondo aboard because Rondo has played a major role in his teams ACTUALLY winning(and by winning I mean winning more games than you lose) and getting to the NBA Finals. So no I'm pretty sure I got what you were saying. I appreciate you wanting to clarify but we're good here. Good luck with the Wizards this year.

[LooseCannon]

Whereas the Wizards are locked into John Wall now and have an aging frontcourt.  They're probably feeling pressure to finally make a run at the playoffs again and maybe try to attract some free agents in the future.

They seem to have a strong interest in Al Harrington and it seems as if the feeling is mutual.  Does that sort of move make you feel better or worse about the Wizards and the direction they are heading in?

[LilRip]

The C's are in the bottom of the east alongside the Magic and Philly and the Bobcats. It seems that the Bucks will likely join that group as well, but I'm pretty sure Cavs, Wiz, Raps and Hawks join the Pistons in the tier fighting for the last 3 playoff spots.

[Tr1boy]

The C's are in the bottom of the east alongside the Magic and Philly and the Bobcats. It seems that the Bucks will likely join that group as well, but I'm pretty sure Cavs, Wiz, Raps and Hawks join the Pistons in the tier fighting for the last 3 playoff spots.

Celts are not going to be hanging around with the likes of the 76rs, bobcats, magic.

The cavs and wiz will be in limbo as long as irving and wall are the teams pg. Unless they change and get their teams involved or if ur going to be score 1st pg like rose play Solid defense. Dont think some fans realize how much maturity , defense counts vs talent. A miami heat without wade and lebron would beat all these team and u couldnt call them then a talented bunch

[bleedGREENdon]

Wizards
Cavaliers
Celtics
Raptors/Bucks
Hawks

How r cavs and wiz better?

Cavs have Irving, Bynum, Varejao, Waiters, Thompson, Bennett, etc. Wizards have Wall, Beal, Okafor, Nene, Porter, Webster, etc. so if both teams are healthy than yes they are better than the Cs.

Your serious right? What has wall and irving done the last several years? What have porter and bennett proven? As far as i know olynyk is ahead with his sl performance.

Waiters? bradley is more proven and a better player.

The thing is this, not stating if okafor/nene and bynum/varejao are healthy and play well these teams are not better. But these are big ifs.

When Wall was playing the Wizards were 24-25 and don't get me wrong it wasn't amazing, but you have to realize that Beal and other guys were injured so it wasn't to bad. Also we are talking about a team that was 5-28 without him so the guy is a winner. Wizards have vastly improved and should have a winning record next season. As for Irving the guy is going to be a SUPERSTAR and now with a good supporting cast the Cavs should have a good season. Also you have to realize that these guys were drafted not very long ago so of course they haven't done much (playoff wise) as both were #1 picks and usually #1 picks go to bad teams. Also what exactly did Rondo do last year?


Lol Waiters has much more potential and will be better (if he isn't already) than Bradley. Bradley is a one trick pony and that is all he will ever be. Bradley shot .402 FG% last year and had to attempt 9.6 shots a game to score 9.2 points. Dion Waiters shot .412 FG% and attempted 13.4 shots a game to score 14.7 points and that isn't good, but he is a rookie. Bradley is probably the most overrated Celtic right now.

So because a team lost more games than they won even WITH him somehow that makes him a winner? AB will likely never be the scorer Waiters may end up being. Then again Waiters I don't believe is as good defensively either so those two may be a push. I don't see anything about Cleveland that automatically makes them any better than Boston on paper. Like Boston, that is a young team with a good PG that has to learn how to incorporate some young talent and learn to play together. Same with Washington while we're at it.

Someone call me the next time John Wall does something important. I don't see anything(as of yeti will say) that separates him from any handful of Washington guards that pre-dated him(Gilbert Arenas, Rod Strickland) also with minimal success in Washington. As far as I'm concerned, they're all at the same level.

You're not understanding he led a 5-28 team to those 24 wins also the Cs didn't have a great record when Rondo was playing last year.

Oh I understand perfectly. You've just said Wall led his team to a below .500 record last year. Something pretty par for the course since Wall has been in the league. No, I'm pretty sure I got that. The C's didn't start out great last year. History says they would have righted the ship WITH Rondo aboard because Rondo has played a major role in his teams ACTUALLY winning(and by winning I mean winning more games than you lose) and getting to the NBA Finals. So no I'm pretty sure I got what you were saying. I appreciate you wanting to clarify but we're good here. Good luck with the Wizards this year.

I dont think you understand. The team was 5-28 with out wall, n 24-25 with him. Thats a 19 game differential n if i do recall they had a streak if like 18-5 with him to end the year.
No doubt in my mind the wizards have a better record then te celtics next year.

My list of teams that will have better records in the east then the celtics.

Clearly, bulls , heat, pacers, nets,(no order)

Semi no doubt in my mind. wizards, pistons,  cavs ,

Then the toss ups, hawks , bucks, and bobcats

No matter what magic will be battling for the worst. Hopefully not , hopefully they come out on a tear who knows.
But IMO , riding on if rondo plays opening night, or starts playing in January. Will determind if we are in the tier with the pistons. Or the tier with the magic. And truthfully i dont want to be in the pistons tier. Unless Jeff green becomes a 30ppg scorer this year and rondo is healthy and KO drops 14-15 ppg. We are no where near the pacers n bulls n nets. I dont even mention lebron.

[Tr1boy]

You forgot the knicks. And with the cavs even with bynum and verejao back that team has no starting sg, sf.

Why bc of irving ? The kid hasnt proven that he can carry his team on his back. He is a good player but not francise calibre good.

The celts are about more than rondo. Ab and green are solid players with green waiting to explode next year. Olynyk will be in the running for roy and from the bench for now we have hump, bass, wallace, lee, brooks. That is a solid

Celts wont outscore any of these teams but should sufficate them with their defense.

[LilRip]

The C's are in the bottom of the east alongside the Magic and Philly and the Bobcats. It seems that the Bucks will likely join that group as well, but I'm pretty sure Cavs, Wiz, Raps and Hawks join the Pistons in the tier fighting for the last 3 playoff spots.

Celts are not going to be hanging around with the likes of the 76rs, bobcats, magic.

The cavs and wiz will be in limbo as long as irving and wall are the teams pg. Unless they change and get their teams involved or if ur going to be score 1st pg like rose play Solid defense. Dont think some fans realize how much maturity , defense counts vs talent. A miami heat without wade and lebron would beat all these team and u couldnt call them then a talented bunch

no one is underrating defense but on paper (which is all we have right now), it doesn't seem like the C's will be much of a defensive outfit next season. And no one is discounting character but it's not like the C's have a monopoly on high character guys either. I dont know if this should be news to you but we're not the only team in the league that values high character guys. That's why for the most part, the Gilbert Arenases of the world are gone.

Looking at the current Wiz and Cavs roster, wouldn't you say those are pretty high character guys? Or at the very least, guys who aren't locker room cancers or will completely discombobulate team dynamics? Sure there might be a crazy Jordan Crawford-type hidden in those teams (like Andrew Bynum), but for the most part, they're solid.

[Tr1boy]

The C's are in the bottom of the east alongside the Magic and Philly and the Bobcats. It seems that the Bucks will likely join that group as well, but I'm pretty sure Cavs, Wiz, Raps and Hawks join the Pistons in the tier fighting for the last 3 playoff spots.

Celts are not going to be hanging around with the likes of the 76rs, bobcats, magic.

The cavs and wiz will be in limbo as long as irving and wall are the teams pg. Unless they change and get their teams involved or if ur going to be score 1st pg like rose play Solid defense. Dont think some fans realize how much maturity , defense counts vs talent. A miami heat without wade and lebron would beat all these team and u couldnt call them then a talented bunch

no one is underrating defense but on paper (which is all we have right now), it doesn't seem like the C's will be much of a defensive outfit next season. And no one is discounting character but it's not like the C's have a monopoly on high character guys either. I dont know if this should be news to you but we're not the only team in the league that values high character guys. That's why for the most part, the Gilbert Arenases of the world are gone.

Looking at the current Wiz and Cavs roster, wouldn't you say those are pretty high character guys? Or at the very least, guys who aren't locker room cancers or will completely discombobulate team dynamics? Sure there might be a crazy Jordan Crawford-type hidden in those teams (like Andrew Bynum), but for the most part, they're solid.

Yes but both are still a very young team.  I stated maturity not character. Lack of maturity for wall and dion waiters mean playing the way they feel like it. Ive seen wall dance around with his dribble , give up easy passes and for him to shoot a contested jump shot. I mean what is that?

Celtics outside of jordan crawford dont have guys like that. Some may say brooks is like that but thats why he is not starting in the nba.

[PhoSita]

Whereas the Wizards are locked into John Wall now and have an aging frontcourt.  They're probably feeling pressure to finally make a run at the playoffs again and maybe try to attract some free agents in the future.

They seem to have a strong interest in Al Harrington and it seems as if the feeling is mutual.  Does that sort of move make you feel better or worse about the Wizards and the direction they are heading in?

That sounds like a decent win-now move to give the team some much-needed bench scoring and floor spacing in the frontcourt, assuming they don't commit for than two years to him.