Doc assertion doesn't make sense to me... help.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

From CelticsLife:

Back on draft night ESPN's Bill Simmons and recent ex-Celtics head coach Doc Rivers got into a bit of a verbal sparing match on live television, which then continued the next day via twitter.  In Simmons' recent column for his website Grantland, the lifelong C's fan says that he and Doc cleared the air shortly thereafter, but still stuck to their own opinions regarding Rivers' departure from Boston:

    The day after we exchanged barbs during the NBA draft, Doc and I talked for 45 minutes on the phone and agreed to disagree on how the Boston thing ended. He truly believes the Celtics didn't want him to come back or pay him all that money as they were rebuilding. I don't buy it, as I told him — I thought that they didn't want to pay him that money once they believed he didn't want to be there. Also, I told him that I thought he didn't want to rebuild for a third time, and that the thought of coaching a contender and starting fresh in Los Angeles — where he gets to pick his own players, no less — was overwhelmingly enticing for him. He actually agreed with that. He just doesn't think he quit on the Celtics — he thinks the situation ran its course. So it's a he-said, he-said thing. We're never going to agree on what happened, but one thing is clear: In the long run, both sides are better off.


Now we can all stop worrying about whether or not Simmons will have to give up his Clipper season tickets on account of his bitterness towards Doc.


If they didn't want to pay him all that money during a rebuild, WHY did they give him the contract KNOWING a rebuild would be coming up soon. I think Danny wanted to start the rebuild at least a year ago. It doesn't make since that they didn't want him for the rebuild when Doc himself said after the new contract that he would be here for the rebuilding. Someone please make sense of what Doc is saying, I just don't get it. I'm siding with Simmons on this. If Doc said they were looking to move on b/c they wanted a younger guy with a fresher perspective and philosophy, then I'd understand how he feels but to say it's because of the money, I don't buy what he is selling. I thought that could be a legitimate reason before I thought about it b/c I didn't want to believe Doc pulled a Ray, but it just doesn't make sense.

[Mazingerz]

Again Doc is lying. Covering his tracks, using his media savvy.

Simmons is right on this.

[clover]

Again Doc is lying. Covering his tracks, using his media savvy.

Simmons is right on this.

Yep.

[LooseCannon]

I think that Ainge was hopeful that he would be able to reload on the fly and not have to rebuild, but he wasn't going to be locked into any one course.

I don't think there's any single one reason why Doc left.  You can't just say it was because of the money.

One reason that I think Doc was willing to go was because he anticipated that a rebuild would mean a lot of arguing with Danny over who would get playing time.  There always seemed to be a bit of tension over Ainge bringing in players that Doc didn't want to play.  That's probably the main point of the reported disagreement between the two over the value of advanced analytics.

I think the money involved made it easier for the team to be willing to say goodbye.  So, from Doc's perspective, I think it'd be correct for him to feel that the team didn't seem to see him as absolutely integral to rebuilding.  His ambivalence about staying may have led him to read into that a bigger willingness to push him out the door because deep in his heart he had one foot out the door.

I think there was a point when Ainge could have said that Pierce and Garnett were staying and he would use the 2013 and 2014 draft picks to try to make win-now deals to improve the team and Doc would have been back.  Maybe it became clear that Doc's heart wasn't heavily invested in that scenario and Danny became increasingly willing to move on and it passed the point of no return.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I think that Ainge was hopeful that he would be able to reload on the fly and not have to rebuild, but he wasn't going to be locked into any one course.

I don't think there's any single one reason why Doc left.  You can't just say it was because of the money.

One reason that I think Doc was willing to go was because he anticipated that a rebuild would mean a lot of arguing with Danny over who would get playing time.  There always seemed to be a bit of tension over Ainge bringing in players that Doc didn't want to play.  That's probably the main point of the reported disagreement between the two over the value of advanced analytics.

I think the money involved made it easier for the team to be willing to say goodbye.  So, from Doc's perspective, I think it'd be correct for him to feel that the team didn't seem to see him as absolutely integral to rebuilding.  His ambivalence about staying may have led him to read into that a bigger willingness to push him out the door because deep in his heart he had one foot out the door.

I think there was a point when Ainge could have said that Pierce and Garnett were staying and he would use the 2013 and 2014 draft picks to try to make win-now deals to improve the team and Doc would have been back.  Maybe it became clear that Doc's heart wasn't heavily invested in that scenario and Danny became increasingly willing to move on and it passed the point of no return.

I wouldn't say it's because of the money, Doc did. Again, doc stated he would be here through the rebuild that he knew was coming. We aren't in full rebuild anyway, we have RR and Jeff, not close to a full rebuild. Doc didn't want to be here and his reason doesn't make sense.

[ronaldo943]

Who cares we got a first round pick for him and at this point that pick is worth more than he is for the Celtics as we are in rebuilding mode.

[Chief]

Again Doc is lying. Covering his tracks, using his media savvy.

Simmons is right on this.

Tp

[gar]

Doc played it the way Danny wanted him to. They both got their way.