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« on: July 14, 2013, 11:19:25 PM »

Offline chenaren

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http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1264052

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I'd rather just pass on him at this point. Dude can't shoot, a crybaby, and who knows how he's going to play without KG and PP. It's better to wait until the trade deadline to see his real value. I predict it will plummet.

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I really believe that knight will have a breakout year this season, unless im wrong and he plays bad the first half of the season I would not do this trade. I predict rondo will do worse this season with less talent on the celtics and coming off that injury, his trade value could go down by the deadline also.

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god no dont do this Pistons. Getting rondo would make the offense god awful, need shooting

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He's an undersized PG that cant shoot and wouldn't help this team, more like hurt the team because there would be NO scorers. Knight is bigger, more athletic, better defender, and shoots better. I'd much rather have him

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Drummond or Monroe shouldn't be included in the discussion at this point, considering no other team has yet to offer anything better than Knight. Until another offer comes up that trumps the Knight offer, there's no reason the Pistons should up their offer to Monroe. Certainly Drummond is not even negotiable.

The Celtics of course don't have to just take the Knight deal because its the best offer right now, but once their owner realizes he's paying luxury tax for a lotto team, then it may come down to them having to just take the best offer to get out of that tax. Them trading Rondo is more about clearing capspace for the future than it is about getting talent in return. If it were about talent, they could trade Rondo for any number of established all-star, but they would also be getting the same contract back in return which would be pointless. Expiring contracts and draft picks are whats most important for the Celtics to get back for Rondo. Of all the teams that can offer expirings and draft picks, I don't think any of them can offer a young prospect on a rookie deal as good as Knight. If or when they are required to deal him because of the tax, I think this deal could get it done as long as we can add in some draft picks.


Brandon Knight and expiring contracts for Rondo? what the...? What makes Brandon Knight's trade value so high? Statistically I think he's on the same caliber of Jordan Crawford.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2013, 11:25:42 PM »

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The middle guy isn't wrong about Drummond. I'm in the camp that he shouldn't be traded. Monroe is the kind of talent the Cs should be looking for though.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2013, 11:31:10 PM »

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Give Detroit sports fans a break.  I expect them to be suffering from the equivalent of PTSD with everything they have had to put up with.
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2013, 11:34:14 PM »

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Knight is not enough for Rondo, but I'd hesitate to trade Monroe for Rondo if I were Dumars. Then again, I wouldn't sign Josh Smith to a $56 million contract if I had Monroe and Drummond on my team, so who knows.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2013, 11:34:55 PM »

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To be fair there's plenty of fans on that thread making sense as well. Just cause there's a few fruitloops doesn't mean their whole fanbase is that delusional
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2013, 11:37:06 PM »

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The fact that there are people on this board who wouldn't give up Rondo for Drummond is probably just as baffling to the Detroit fans as the comments above would seem to many people here.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 11:50:40 PM »

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I will say though that after looking at Knight's numbers I'm confused about all the love. He's shown zero improvement so far. Rondo's trajectory at a similar age was much better.

The most legit argument against Rondo for the Pistons specifically seems to be that they do need shooting.

In particular Drummond, Monroe, Smith and Rondo would be one of the worst-shooting foursomes from the FT line I can think of, ever. Can anyone think of four starters who were worse? Here are their numbers from last year:

Rondo        .645
Smith        .517
Monroe       .689
Drummond     .371

Yikes.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2013, 12:02:25 AM »

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Quote from: Boris Badenov on July 14, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
I will say though that after looking at Knight's numbers I'm confused about all the love. He's shown zero improvement so far. Rondo's trajectory at a similar age was much better.

The most legit argument against Rondo for the Pistons specifically seems to be that they do need shooting.

In particular Drummond, Monroe, Smith and Rondo would be one of the worst-shooting foursomes from the FT line I can think of, ever. Can anyone think of four starters who were worse? Here are their numbers from last year:

Rondo        .645
Smith        .517
Monroe       .689
Drummond     .371

Yikes.

Hack-A-Anyone.

LOL
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2013, 12:31:27 AM »

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Quote from: Boris Badenov on July 14, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
I will say though that after looking at Knight's numbers I'm confused about all the love. He's shown zero improvement so far. Rondo's trajectory at a similar age was much better.

The most legit argument against Rondo for the Pistons specifically seems to be that they do need shooting.

In particular Drummond, Monroe, Smith and Rondo would be one of the worst-shooting foursomes from the FT line I can think of, ever. Can anyone think of four starters who were worse? Here are their numbers from last year:

Rondo        .645
Smith        .517
Monroe       .689
Drummond     .371

Yikes.

The 2006-2007 Heat had a few games where they started:

Shaquille O'Neal .422
Antoine Walker .438
Gary Payton .667
Udonis Haslem .680

The 1995-96 Trail Blazers had these players all start 60+ games:
Chris Dudley .510
Harvey Grant .545
Rod Strickland .652
Cliff Robinson .664

One game had those four with:
Gary Trent .553
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2013, 12:46:11 AM »

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Quote from: timobusa on July 15, 2013, 12:02:25 AM
Quote from: Boris Badenov on July 14, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
I will say though that after looking at Knight's numbers I'm confused about all the love. He's shown zero improvement so far. Rondo's trajectory at a similar age was much better.

The most legit argument against Rondo for the Pistons specifically seems to be that they do need shooting.

In particular Drummond, Monroe, Smith and Rondo would be one of the worst-shooting foursomes from the FT line I can think of, ever. Can anyone think of four starters who were worse? Here are their numbers from last year:

Rondo        .645
Smith        .517
Monroe       .689
Drummond     .371

Yikes.

Hack-A-Anyone.

LOL

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2013, 12:48:43 AM »

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Quote from: Boris Badenov on July 14, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
I will say though that after looking at Knight's numbers I'm confused about all the love. He's shown zero improvement so far.
Brandon Knight has shown a huge amount of improvement on the defensive side of the floor. A defensive liability as a rookie, I thought he was one of the best defensive players amongst starting PGs in the league last season.

I can understand the concerns about the lack of growth offensively but it is unfair to the lad to say he has shown zero improvement. He has made massive progress on defense. 
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2013, 05:12:26 AM »

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Someone mentioned in another thread that a lot of people here didn't want to trade Al Jeff for KG. I remember that, and I wasn't 100% sure at the time, even recognizing the super star talent we were about to acquire. That's fan bias.

Everybody is enamored with potential, also. I understand Pistons fans believe in Knight or Monroe, and Dumars can say Drummond is untouchable, but Rondo is the better talent here and now.

Drummond shows flashes of incredible potential, but he's no sure thing super star, and the fact Detroit is reportedly making that disgusting offer of Knight+expirings is because they're playing the "Rondo is injured and might not be 100% again" card. But Danny is not a fan, and if he were to trade Rondo he'd do it at 100% healthy price, no discount. In my opinion, that means Rondo for Drummond+Knight+future first rounder. We're in no hurry to sell the face of our franchise, because we don't need to aim for the top pick, we're good aiming for a top-10 pick in next year's draft.
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2013, 07:13:04 AM »

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Quote from: KCattheStripe on July 14, 2013, 11:25:42 PM
The middle guy isn't wrong about Drummond. I'm in the camp that he shouldn't be traded. Monroe is the kind of talent the Cs should be looking for though.
The problem is, Monroe would be the 205935968457th scoring big on our roster who can't block a shot to save his life. If the Pistons don't want to give up Drummond for Rondo, I'll be happy to keep him. Also, from an individual staistical perspective, Rondo is likely to be better this year (which is, in turn, likely to make fans like the ones cited in the first post go completely gaga).
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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2013, 08:25:51 AM »

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Quote from: Who on July 15, 2013, 12:48:43 AM
Quote from: Boris Badenov on July 14, 2013, 11:50:40 PM
I will say though that after looking at Knight's numbers I'm confused about all the love. He's shown zero improvement so far.
Brandon Knight has shown a huge amount of improvement on the defensive side of the floor. A defensive liability as a rookie, I thought he was one of the best defensive players amongst starting PGs in the league last season.

I can understand the concerns about the lack of growth offensively but it is unfair to the lad to say he has shown zero improvement. He has made massive progress on defense.

Well that makes a little more sense then, thanks. Though I did a little reading up and it seems like the progress was from "bad" to "average or slightly better."
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2013, 08:56:47 AM »

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Why on earth would we trade a championship winning, all-star PG on a relatively cheap contract for prospects (which are basically all these guys are at this point) who put up good numbers on a bad team.

They may not want to accept this but they need Rondo far more than we need their kids if they want to win now.  Pick apart the numbers, whatever.  Who is the leader of that team?  If they want Rondo their offer needs to bowl the C's over IMO.  They arent winning anything without a superstar or vet leader.
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