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Hypothetically Celtics get the 2nd pick in the 2014 draft, who do you take?

Jabari Parker
31 (53.4%)
Julius Randle
19 (32.8%)
Aaron Gordon
4 (6.9%)
Marcus Smart
3 (5.2%)
Willie Cauley-Stein
1 (1.7%)

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Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2013, 03:30:16 AM »

Offline Smutzy#9

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When its a draft like this and there is just an abundance of talent that is available that have potential to be all stars. I just think you draft on the best talent available. Worst comes to worst, there is going to be a team out there that would want that player you drafted.

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2013, 03:42:12 AM »

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All of them are potential NBA stars. I'm a little wary of Gordon's skill set right now, but if he can be anything like Blake Griffin I'd love to see him in Boston. I think Randle will be the second pick no matter what. He could make other Celtic pfs expendable, but that's a good problem to have. I'd love to see Parker because his game is smooth and could work in tandem with Green like Pierce did. Smart is the wildcard. If he gets his shot percentage up he could be a GREAT sparkplug off the bench in his rookie season (similar to the way OKC used Harden). For me it's only a no on Stein. He's too raw and Dakari Johnson could very well outplay him. I really hope we can nab one of these guys. This draft is loaded right now and that's before we see any of the surprise breakout players. If we could grab one of em and trade for a center who's not a project, then the Celts could have a bright future. 

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2013, 08:51:35 AM »

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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2013, 09:50:12 AM »

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The thing that Parker has over everyone else (including Wiggins) is his poise and swagger.

He has that edge that all the greats have had, and that's what almost guarantees him success in the NBA.

this guy hasnt played in college right?  have you watched this kid play other than highlight clips online and some scouting reports?


dont get upset im not trying to call you out or anything, I'm just asking bc thats seems like an opinion youd form on someone after watching them play.  Dont crucify me bc I dont spend nearly as much time looking at some of these prospects as the rest of you do, but I just dont understand how opinions of having a championship edge and poise can be formed when these guys are just head and shoulders above all the competition theyre playing against up until college.

i would think in any draft poise and championship edge are a crap shoot until they get into the league or at least in college.  I'm sure theres plenty of choke artists in the league who seemed like they had championship poise in high school.

Greg

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2013, 07:17:40 PM »

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Chad Ford has moved Dante Exum all the way to #3 best on his top 100 prospects. Nice to see Dante finally getting some attention as I think his game will translate very well to the NBA.

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2013, 08:19:37 PM »

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Jabari Parker
Peavey Bass Player - relearning to play after 10 years sucks;

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2013, 04:50:05 PM »

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Maybe we shouldn't assume Wiggins goes first. 

Remarks from ESPN insider.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog/_/name/nba_draft/id/9839066/andrew-wiggins-nba-draft-no-1-pick-not-fast


LAWRENCE, Kan. -- Andrew Wiggins will be a very good NBA player someday, but he's a long ways away. It's completely unfair to put the supposed prize of the 2014 NBA draft class in the same sentence as LeBron James, Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant.


During one three-hour practice, Wiggins misfired on jumper after jumper, took plays off and was practically invisible. Sure, he showed glimpses of the athleticism that have some putting him in elite company with NBA superstars. He's been blessed with incredible talent -- the length, quickness and athleticism that few possess even at the NBA level.

But Wiggins eventually blended in during the practice last week. It wasn't the first time he's disappeared. In fact, Kansas coaches maintain that the 6-foot-8 Canadian has yet to be the best player on the floor in any of their practices thus far. To take it one step further, he's rarely even one of the best two or three players on the floor.

"I want to get him to start playing hard all the time and also playing to his athletic ability," Kansas coach Bill Self said. "He doesn't do it consistently."

NBA scouts who have passed through Lawrence told me that they are unsure why everyone has labeled Wiggins as the clear-cut No. 1 overall pick.

"I certainly wasn't blown away by him," said one high-ranking NBA executive. "He was just OK. Average. I'm just not buying all this no-brainer stuff about him being the No. 1 pick. I just don't see it yet."

The Jayhawks have talent. Make no mistake about it. There are two other freshmen, skilled 7-footer Joel Embiid and 6-foot-5 shooting guard Wayne Selden, who could play their way into June's NBA lottery.

But Wiggins is supposed to be the prize of a loaded 2014 NBA draft. He shouldn't just blend in; he should be dominating.

I saw James in high school, watched Durant as a freshman at Texas and have seen other No. 1 picks such as John Wall and Kyrie Irving countless times. Those guys dominated nearly every time out, whether it was practice or a game.

To be sure, I like Wiggins -- both as a person and as a player. However, the expectations are too high for him, and I'm not sure he can handle it. Durant was quiet off the court, but not like Wiggins. In the span of a 15-minute interview, Wiggins spent much of the time looking at the ground. It wasn't just me, either. Others who have interviewed Wiggins lately had the same experience.

But this isn't about his lack of interviewing skills. Wiggins' effort is inconsistent, and while he could get away with that at the high school level at Huntington (W.Va.) Prep and in summer ball, he won't be able to do it in college -- and certainly not in the NBA.

"Maybe he'll wind up getting there this season, but he's a long, long way off right now," said another NBA guy who came through Lawrence in the preseason. "He looks like just another player. I've seen him a few times in the past, and to be honest, he hasn't been off-the-charts any of those times. I love his athleticism, but I worry about his intensity -- as well as other aspects of his game. He doesn't shoot it great, and he's got zero aura about him. Again, I'm not saying he can't get there -- but people are making far more of this kid than they should."

Wiggins is a freakish athlete, but there are plenty of high-level athletes in the NBA. Josh Smith is a high-level athlete, but that doesn't mean he'll ever be an NBA superstar.

Wiggins is a mediocre shooter. I'd guess he'll shoot somewhere around 30 percent from beyond the arc this season. Although he's an elite athlete and has terrific body control, his ballhandling also needs work. Once he refines his handle, he could be extremely effective in the half court. Right now, though, he has difficulty getting by defenders in tight spaces.

Wiggins hasn't looked the part of a future NBA star, but it's still early.

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2013, 06:07:24 PM »

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Jabari Parker looks like hes gonna be the next Carmelo Anthony. I don't know how I feel about that

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2013, 06:29:27 PM »

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I like Mario Hezonja a lot and I think he will be available when we pick and for the Nets pick I want James Young or Aaron Harrison.

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2013, 07:51:17 PM »

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Parker...sign Pierce in the offseason to a one year deal with the intention to help mentor Parker on what it means to be a Celtic and to smooth any rough edges.  Then, hire KG as an assistant coach for the Dynasty that we will be building.

A dream?  Perhaps...but a dream that would bring a smile to my face. :)

Rak

Re: assuming Wiggins goes first
« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2013, 04:40:34 AM »

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Parker looks so good.  Check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMyTaa-dYCE

The guy is so skilled.  He can do everything on the court.  The only reservation I have is about his lateral quickness and whether it'll be good enough to make him an above-average defender individual defender.  The times I've seen him, he's seems to be a very smart, alert, active player and a good rebounder.  Even if he's not a lockdown individual defender, he should be a good team defender who rebounds. 

For all his skill, I wasn't sure if he had the quickness to break down NBA defenders so he can get points in the paint and get to the line.  It's something that could possibly prevent him from being like Pierce and Carmelo.  Seeing more of him, I don't know why he wouldn't be a fine penetrator.  He has size, strength, fluidity, a great handle, the ability to drive both ways and good quickness.  Even if he doesn't blow by defenders with raw quickness, he has the ability to ride them on his hip and shoulders, maintain his handle and truck his way to the rim.  He also has spin moves and many dribble counter moves.

It'd be shocking if this guy isn't a future all-star and all-nba player.  He's an above-average athlete with very good size for the position and obscenely skilled.