Idea: Rondo, Wallace, Bass & Lee for Bierdrins, Jefferson & Mo Williams

[BballTim]

Why I like the idea: If we do this, Utah basically does us a HUGE favor, salary cap wise.

Why I don't like the idea: If we do this, we are likely going to be bad next year.

Would I do it?: YES. It pains me to see us suck next year, but for me, the idea of having a top 2014 draft pick and massive cap space for the 2014 summer is too good to pass up.

Below is a list of the top 2014 free agents and I am willing to take my chances. By the way, I am not convinced that no one will come here because Rondo won't be here. Rondo is here now, and players aren't exactly knocking down the front door on Causeway Street.

My only questions to the OP:
1.)Isn't Mo Williams a free agent?
2.)Because Biedrins and RJeff were just dealt from Golden State and because GWallace was just dealt from Brooklyn, Celts would have to wait til September to make this deal, right?

2014 FA's
-Luol Deng
-Dirk Nowitzki
-Paul George (RFA)
-Kobe Bryant
-Pau Gasol
-Zach Randolph (player option)
-Lebron James (ETO)
-Chris Bosh (ETO)
-Carmelo Anthony (ETO)
-Marcin Gortat
-Demarcus Cousins (RFA)
-Tim Duncan (player option)
-John Wall (RFA)
-Rudy Gay (player option)
-Kwame Brown (lol, just kidding)

  Do you really think that all of those players will be on the market then? Every time someone puts up a list like that people drool over the possibilities, most of the better players don't hit the market.

[EDWARDO]

That's so true, not all of them will actually become FAs and many are restricted anyway. AND, most if not all of these guys will be paid too much by the FA process anyway

[dreamgreen]

terrible idea, sorry

[e4sym0de]

As others pointed out before

-Luol Deng --> stays with Bulls
-Dirk Nowitzki --> stays with Mavs
-Paul George (RFA) --> RFA Indiana
-Kobe Bryant --> Lakers
-Pau Gasol --> Old
-Zach Randolph (player option) -> Old
-Lebron James (ETO) --> Not Boston
-Chris Bosh (ETO) --> Not Boston
-Carmelo Anthony (ETO) --> Not Boston without Rondo
-Marcin Gortat
-Demarcus Cousins (RFA) -> RFA Kings
-Tim Duncan (player option) --> SA
-John Wall (RFA) --> RFA Wizards
-Rudy Gay (player option)
-Kwame Brown (lol, just kidding)

Gortat and Gay left...are they better than Rondo? NO!

[SHAQATTACK]

hate all those guys

negatory good buddy

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I think this article in today's Herald pretty much says it all on this subject.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/07/for_c_s_l_for_learning

And focusing the merit of a trade like this strictly on the UFA market of 2014 is simply ignoring the business of (good) NBA front offices. Teams with cap space work from a distinct advantage over those that don't. Period.

If the Cs completed this trade, they'd have room for two max players. They'd also have tons of picks, and 3-4 good young players. That's a recipe for immediate rebuilding. Claiming it's not because poor GMs can't handle the responsibility when they have it is like blaming the Porsche for the reckless driving.....

[dreamgreen]

I think this article in today's Herald pretty much says it all on this subject.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/07/for_c_s_l_for_learning

And focusing the merit of a trade like this strictly on the UFA market of 2014 is simply ignoring the business of (good) NBA front offices. Teams with cap space work from a distinct advantage over those that don't. Period.

If the Cs completed this trade, they'd have room for two max players. They'd also have tons of picks, and 3-4 good young players. That's a recipe for immediate rebuilding. Claiming it's not because poor GMs can't handle the responsibility when they have it is like blaming the Porsche for the reckless driving.....

Good read, I have the same thoughts. But I think you missed the point of the article. You don't trade a STAR player for junk and hope to get lucky in free agency. Nor do you tank to get lucky in the draft. You build the assets you have, package them to get a player your targeting via trade most likely.

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I think this article in today's Herald pretty much says it all on this subject.

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/07/for_c_s_l_for_learning

And focusing the merit of a trade like this strictly on the UFA market of 2014 is simply ignoring the business of (good) NBA front offices. Teams with cap space work from a distinct advantage over those that don't. Period.

If the Cs completed this trade, they'd have room for two max players. They'd also have tons of picks, and 3-4 good young players. That's a recipe for immediate rebuilding. Claiming it's not because poor GMs can't handle the responsibility when they have it is like blaming the Porsche for the reckless driving.....

Good read, I have the same thoughts. But I think you missed the point of the article. You don't trade a STAR player for junk and hope to get lucky in free agency. Nor do you tank to get lucky in the draft. You build the assets you have, package them to get a player your targeting via trade most likely.

I read it a little differently. My take: Rondo is a poor fit for their plans right now. If can trade him for a young star (which they likely can't), you do it. If not, trade him for assets that allign to your goals. Relief from poor contracts and or picks is a much better fit for this org right now than a lateral veteren or two.

They make another point: Rondo's value is sure to decrese based on his contract. Do you think they Cs could shed future salary commitments with Rondo next summer, when he'll be a one year rental, even if he returns to top form after what just happened with Dwight Howard? Me neither....

[Moranis]

My desire to move Rondo is well known on this board, but there isn't a chance in heck I would make this trade.  It is just awful.  If you trade Rondo you have to get at least a couple of assets and there are none in this trade.

[Celtics4ever]

I thought trades were supposed to make us better?

[BballTim]

I thought trades were supposed to make us better?

  Not this year, it's perfectly acceptable to make trades that make us worse because it will help us tank. Some of the posters are truly in their element.

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I thought trades were supposed to make us better?

If teams only made trades that improved them on the day the deal happened, they'd struggle pretty badly. I'm interested in getting to a championship level as fast as possible.

To me this is a little like exercise. You know it's a proven investment in your future, even if it's hard to do today. But if you knew it would make you happier and healthier in the near future, wouldn't you stop kidding yourself, get proactive, and do it? Or are you too lazy or soft to stomach such an investment?

[footey]

With all due respect, I would not even think of doing this.  We can get 3 first round picks for two ancient guys like Pierce and Garnett, and this is the best we can do for Rondo's very good contract?  No first round picks??

[BballTim]

I thought trades were supposed to make us better?

If teams only made trades that improved them on the day the deal happened, they'd struggle pretty badly. I'm interested in getting to a championship level as fast as possible.

To me this is a little like exercise. You know it's a proven investment in your future, even if it's hard to do today. But if you knew it would make you happier and healthier in the near future, wouldn't you stop kidding yourself, get proactive, and do it? Or are you too lazy or soft to stomach such an investment?

  Maybe he's just smart enough to realize that there are options other than yours.

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I thought trades were supposed to make us better?

If teams only made trades that improved them on the day the deal happened, they'd struggle pretty badly. I'm interested in getting to a championship level as fast as possible.

To me this is a little like exercise. You know it's a proven investment in your future, even if it's hard to do today. But if you knew it would make you happier and healthier in the near future, wouldn't you stop kidding yourself, get proactive, and do it? Or are you too lazy or soft to stomach such an investment?

  Maybe he's just smart enough to realize that there are options other than yours.

Who is "he"? I'm referring to the team, not the poster.

And this (or some variation hereof) is the smart way -- its just more painful for fans because we have to eat a couple of seasons.