Yes, another pro tanking thread. Lets look at recent NBA history for some facts.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Strictly speaking, according to this thread Jeff Green is the best bet to lead us to a championship because he was our No.5 pick.

[syfy9]

Strictly speaking, according to this thread Jeff Green is the best bet to lead us to a championship because he was our No.5 pick.

This draft is said to be as good as the 2003 Draft.

The #5 overall pick of the 2003 draft was Dwayne Wade.

[lightspeed5]

Strictly speaking, according to this thread Jeff Green is the best bet to lead us to a championship because he was our No.5 pick.

This draft is said to be as good as the 2003 Draft.

The #5 overall pick of the 2003 draft was Dwayne Wade.

this

how many times does it need to be said

NOT ALL DRAFTS ARE EQUAL AND COMPARABLE.

[lightspeed5]

Don't worry:  by March, 75%+ of the blog will be rooting for losses right along with you.  Danny won't give anybody the choice.

this sounds like the voice of experience 

Yep.  2007 isn't that long ago.  Game threads were full of people bashing Doc Rivers for playing the vets, injuries to Celtics players were almost celebrated, and Gerald Green dunks were much more exciting (and rooted for) than Celtics wins.

  ...and after we lost the lottery all of the people who were calling for the Celts to tank were crucifying Danny and Doc for tanking and calling for their heads for getting the team into the position it was in.

Most people were furious about the Allen trade. They didn't like the KG deal either because Big Al was rounding into "the next great Celtic". Hell, some people on here still regret those moves despite winning a title. The dynamic of losing ill never understand. It's kind of funny that the same teams always pick in the lottery despite the notion that you need to have a top 3 pick! Teams like the Cavs Bobcats Wizards Raptors have been lottery regulars since coming into the league. Warriors and Blazers seem to finally have gotten out of that cycle of waiting for LeBron Jr. It took them 20 years to get it right and become a relevant team again.

Some of these posts to give away Rondo are hysterical. He matches up very well with Jason Kidd in his prime. Would you give that talent up just so we can tank? Granted even with Rondo, Celtics probably still only win 25 games. But if you trade Rondo to a team for a 2014 pick that team will actually be better thus hurting the picks value. Seems to be an understated point. People wanted the Pelicans pick and Noel for Rondo. Well I would be shocked if the Pelicans didn't get the 7th seed with that talent and Jrue. Rondo would make them a playoff squad for sure.

what i think is crazy is all the people still asking for big al, even though hes been exposed as fools gold.

[ronaldo943]

Strictly speaking, according to this thread Jeff Green is the best bet to lead us to a championship because he was our No.5 pick.

This draft is said to be as good as the 2003 Draft.

The #5 overall pick of the 2003 draft was Dwayne Wade.

That can go both ways as Darko was drafted #2.

[LilRip]

Don't worry:  by March, 75%+ of the blog will be rooting for losses right along with you.  Danny won't give anybody the choice.

this sounds like the voice of experience 

Yep.  2007 isn't that long ago.  Game threads were full of people bashing Doc Rivers for playing the vets, injuries to Celtics players were almost celebrated, and Gerald Green dunks were much more exciting (and rooted for) than Celtics wins.

  ...and after we lost the lottery all of the people who were calling for the Celts to tank were crucifying Danny and Doc for tanking and calling for their heads for getting the team into the position it was in.

Most people were furious about the Allen trade. They didn't like the KG deal either because Big Al was rounding into "the next great Celtic". Hell, some people on here still regret those moves despite winning a title. The dynamic of losing ill never understand. It's kind of funny that the same teams always pick in the lottery despite the notion that you need to have a top 3 pick! Teams like the Cavs Bobcats Wizards Raptors have been lottery regulars since coming into the league. Warriors and Blazers seem to finally have gotten out of that cycle of waiting for LeBron Jr. It took them 20 years to get it right and become a relevant team again.

Some of these posts to give away Rondo are hysterical. He matches up very well with Jason Kidd in his prime. Would you give that talent up just so we can tank? Granted even with Rondo, Celtics probably still only win 25 games. But if you trade Rondo to a team for a 2014 pick that team will actually be better thus hurting the picks value. Seems to be an understated point. People wanted the Pelicans pick and Noel for Rondo. Well I would be shocked if the Pelicans didn't get the 7th seed with that talent and Jrue. Rondo would make them a playoff squad for sure.

what i think is crazy is all the people still asking for big al, even though hes been exposed as fools gold.

because fans are crazy attached to their team's players (and ex-players). like, the sky is the limit for most young players on the C's, meanwhile all other young players for other teams have already peaked or will be on the decline starting next year...unless they're about to be traded to the Celtics. It's part of fandom.

[steve]

Good free agents won't pick Boston.  You need to trade for them.  You need top 5 picks to do that. 

Kevin Love is Danny's plan A. 

KO
Love
Green
Bradley
Rondo

That team could win a championship. 

[ronaldo943]

Good free agents won't pick Boston.  You need to trade for them.  You need top 5 picks to do that. 

Kevin Love is Danny's plan A. 

KO
Love
Green
Bradley
Rondo

That team could win a championship.

Thankss for the laugh.

[Robert24]

Good free agents won't pick Boston.  You need to trade for them.  You need top 5 picks to do that. 

Kevin Love is Danny's plan A. 

KO
Love
Green
Bradley
Rondo

That team could win a championship.

Dat inside defense

[lightspeed5]

I understand why he picked kevin love. a top 10 player who is disgruntled with his situation.

[guava_wrench]

Most people were furious about the Allen trade. They didn't like the KG deal either because Big Al was rounding into "the next great Celtic".

Correct on Ray Allen. Wrong on KG. Most people were upset about the Allen trade UNTIL the KG trade. When we got KG, most people were on board with both moves.

It is only a minority who didn't like the KG trade. A small minority.

[lightspeed5]

Word in Boston, according to Charley Walters, is that the Celtics' Ray Allen was taken aback after Brian Scalabrine dropped a dime in Allen's favorite bathroom stall during a practice that lead to The TD Banknorth Garden having to be fumigated. Reportedly, Scalabrine, who is Danny Ainge's all time favorite NBA Player, has a strict pregame ritual that consists of taking a dump, not flushing it, and then smoking 2 packs of Marlboro soft packs.

Scalabrine claims the ritual is for good luck and works about 97% of the time. "Like, it didn't work yesterday because I actually had to play in a game," said Scalabrine.

Those close to the situation say that Ray Allen, who was recently traded to The Celtics from Seattle, made Scalabrine personally clean the toilet bowl. The stall is now reserved with a $500,000 high-tech security system that only recognizes Ray Allen's retina scan, paid for by Celtics owner Wycliffe "Jean" Grousbeck.

[guava_wrench]

There aren't many. In fact look at the last 10 years of NBA finals teams. (I've posted this before you've probably seen it), but just to re-iterate.

2003 finals Spurs vs Nets Duncan, Kenyon Martin (this year the Marbury-Kidd trade was the Nets key contributing  key move, but Martin was a key factor too. It's arguable from 2000-2003 was one of the worst Eastern Conferences in NBA history).
2004Lakers vs Pistons(Kobe) Pistons (no home drafted star)
2005 Spurs vs Pistons(Duncan) (as above)
2006 Mavs vs Heat (Nowitzki) (Wade)
2007 Spurs vs Cavs (Duncan) (Lebron)
2008 Lakers vs Celtics (Pierce) (Kobe)[/b]
2009 Lakers vs Magic (Kobe) (Dwight Howard)[/b]
2010 Lakers vs Celtics (Kobe) (Pierce)[/b]
2011 Mavs vs Heat (Dirk) (Wade)
2012 OKC Thunder vs Heat (Durant) (Wade)
2013 Spurs vs Heat(Duncan) (Wade)[/b]

Not only was Kobe drafted 14th, the Lakers had the 24th pick in that draft! The Lakers didn't even have a pick in the top 20 when they acquired Kobe!

[lightspeed5]

There aren't many. In fact look at the last 10 years of NBA finals teams. (I've posted this before you've probably seen it), but just to re-iterate.

2003 finals Spurs vs Nets Duncan, Kenyon Martin (this year the Marbury-Kidd trade was the Nets key contributing  key move, but Martin was a key factor too. It's arguable from 2000-2003 was one of the worst Eastern Conferences in NBA history).
2004Lakers vs Pistons(Kobe) Pistons (no home drafted star)
2005 Spurs vs Pistons(Duncan) (as above)
2006 Mavs vs Heat (Nowitzki) (Wade)
2007 Spurs vs Cavs (Duncan) (Lebron)
2008 Lakers vs Celtics (Pierce) (Kobe)[/b]
2009 Lakers vs Magic (Kobe) (Dwight Howard)[/b]
2010 Lakers vs Celtics (Kobe) (Pierce)[/b]
2011 Mavs vs Heat (Dirk) (Wade)
2012 OKC Thunder vs Heat (Durant) (Wade)
2013 Spurs vs Heat(Duncan) (Wade)[/b]

Not only was Kobe drafted 14th, the Lakers had the 24th pick in that draft! The Lakers didn't even have a pick in the top 20 when they acquired Kobe!

kobe refused to play for anyone but the lakers

[Vox_Populi]

Strictly speaking, according to this thread Jeff Green is the best bet to lead us to a championship because he was our No.5 pick.

This draft is said to be as good as the 2003 Draft.

The #5 overall pick of the 2003 draft was Dwayne Wade.

But he wasn't the fifth best player in that draft. He was the second. That's not a comparative indication of depth.