Idea: Expand Boston + Detroit trade.Include Rondo and Green to go full tank mode

[chambers]

Many will hate this.Just hear me out. I'm okay with blowing up the squad and shooting for a top 3 pick. Hell Wiggins, Parker or Randle would be worth it for me. We only have Rondo locked up for 2 seasons- who knows if he'll even re-sign. Are we really putting a contender around him in 2 seasons with our current cap situation? If he stays, we probably p--- him off and he bolts in 2015. But what if we send him to a contender for the next 2 seasons with the potential to re-sign him in 2015 when he's a free agent? Anyway, it's just an idea.

We've seen the Rondo for Drummond trade ideas on RealGM and here. Now that they have Smith, Detroit could be a serious team with Monroe and Rondo to go with him. What tips them over the edge into an elite team? Jeff Green.

I don't know how much Danny would ask for but I'm positive he'd take Joe Dumars to town knowing how much he'd want these two. I guess they'd do it because now is their chance to be a contender. Monroe puts them over the line, very similarly to the Pistons in 2004 where they didn't have a true superstar franchise player but have 4 All Star or borderline All Star players.

To get them the 4th player though you give them Jeff Green in the same deal.

Rondo
Green
Wallace
fillers

for

Drummond
Caldwell Pope
Charlie V
Jonas Jerekbo
Singler
2 future first rounders
Salary filler if needed

We get back Pope, Drummond and some picks, with Jerebko and Singler being some more assets that we can develop and get ready for 2015 trade/free agent season. Detroit gets a serious contender. Top 4 in the East. They're the team we always wanted to rebuild with immediately around Rondo but could never get because they have Monroe at center.
They'd need a serious sharpshooter at the 2 spot too.

If you're okay with tanking, what's good about this is Rondo is a free agent in 2015. He'd understand if you told him he's going to a contender team now and he can run with him and his buddy J Smoove. It's an incredibly athletic team- if they got a good 3 point shooter as SG they'd be brutally tough defensively and on the break.
Rondo can even be signed by us again in 2015 as a free agent when we go after Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, Aldridge.

Guarantees us a bottom 3 finish with a huge shot at multiple top 10 picks in 2014 given all our assets. We'd also stink enough while improving that we;d get a top 10 pick in 2015 simply because of our youth.
Now the question is - does Detroit do this? I don't think they hang up the phone because having Rondo AND Green makes them unreal.

We are left with:

Drummond
Caldwell Pope
Sullinger
Bradley
Olnyk
3 Nets picks
Clippers pick
Our own pick 2014 (lottery bound- probably top 3 pick easily)
Kyle Singler
Jonas Jerebco
Kris Humphries expiring
Charlie V expiring

Who knows what we could trade all of the above (another top 10 pick perhaps?)but we'd also suck through 2015 and get another high draft pick.

Remember we'd have enough space and expirings to sign Rondo back again in 2015 AND another max player. With our assets and guys like Drummond and Sully earning another 2 years of experience at the same time.
In a perfect world we could end up with something like Rondo and one of the other free agents listed below.

Rondo (free agent)
SG draft pick
Wiggins or Parker
K Love (free agent)/ Sully
DeMarcus Cousins (free agent) or Marc Gasol (free agent) or LaMarcus Aldridge (free agent).

Ok flame away 

[D.o.s.]

You forgot the part where we all pick another NBA team to watch until the 2014 draft lottery.

[chambers]

You forgot the part where we all pick another NBA team to watch until the 2014 draft lottery.

I'd root for Detroit (after I finished rooting for us to lose game number 63).

[D.o.s.]

You forgot the part where we all pick another NBA team to watch until the 2014 draft lottery.

I'd root for Detroit (after I finished rooting for us to lose game number 63).

Off the top, I'd root for the Warriors, the Blazers, the Nets (grudgingly), and probably the Bulls.

But dude, this team you've put together is baaaad. My eyes are starting to bleed just looking at it.

[CFAN38]

I posted in another thread that I would offer Rondo and Green for Knight, Drummond and Villinuava and Stuckey.

Not sure that Detroit is willing to part with Drummond but this trade does put them into contention.

For the celtics this is an all out dive move that puts the team in the bottom of the lottery. However this team would have a solid rotation of under 23yr olds. A big man rotation of Drummond, Sully and Olynyk could be very formidable in 2 yrs.

[PhoSita]

I feel like Detroit is giving up an awful lot in this deal just to get Rondo and Green, basically.

I wouldn't trade Monroe straight up for Rondo if I were them.  All-Star caliber big man under the age of 25 on a rookie contract for an injured 27 year-old All-Star point guard making $11-12 million per year -- Monroe definitely has more value right now.  Monroe plays the hardest position to fill in this league (C) while Rondo plays the easiest position to fill (PG).

Here they're giving up Monroe, Jonas Jerebko (not a throw-in player by any means) and their lottery pick from this year plus two future 1st round picks to get Rondo, Green, and a cap albatross in Gerald Wallace.

[jambr380]

With this trade, Jordan Crawford would be the highest ppg scorer from last season left on the Celtics...seriously.

I do get your logic, though.

[manl_lui]

I prefer keeping Rondo or Green...someone to build around at least. It makes the whole tanking/rebuilding so much easier...instead of grooming a first round pick which might takes a few years...

[Q_FBE]

Are you promising we sign up Lebron James at the end of this torture period and get the Number one pick in 2014?

If so, sign me up.

[mikestar]

I am down with the tank, sign me up.

[cltc5]

no

[More Banners]

If Rondo and Green are key pieces to a potential contender (Detroit in this trade scenario), I would just as well keep them and become a contender ourselves.

Don't bet the franchise on the lottery.

We should be looking for the big to add to Rondo and Green.  Olynykie could be the guy, on offense.

Add Bradley and Crash's defense to Rondo/Green/KO in a starting 5, and that team can compete (after a developmental and health-returning bridge year).

Brooks as bench scorer, Sully off the pine, and two 7' guys competing for back C duties (Melo, CIverson).

No tanking, no lottery luck, no BS.

[ssspence]

I see no reason for either team to involve Green. If the Pistons want to try to win now by bringing Rondo in during the same summer as Smith, they have the assets to make it interesting to Boston.

[fantankerous]

If Rondo and Green are key pieces to a potential contender (Detroit in this trade scenario), I would just as well keep them and become a contender ourselves.

Don't bet the franchise on the lottery.

We should be looking for the big to add to Rondo and Green.  Olynykie could be the guy, on offense.

Add Bradley and Crash's defense to Rondo/Green/KO in a starting 5, and that team can compete (after a developmental and health-returning bridge year).

Brooks as bench scorer, Sully off the pine, and two 7' guys competing for back C duties (Melo, CIverson).

No tanking, no lottery luck, no BS.

And no more banners.  If you think Rondo/Bradley/Green/Wallace/Olynyk is a contending starting 5, then hopefully this upcoming season will afford you the opportunity to develop your reality principle.

[sofutomygaha]

I'm not going to ding you for the concept- if that's something that Detroit wants to do then it makes perfect sense for us.

I'm guessing, though, that Detroit has plans to unleash Andre Drummond this year. With Rondo missing half (or more?) of this coming season and Green still not quite looking like the go-to guy we think he could be, I don't think Detroit would see this as the kingmaker trade that you see it as. Looking ahead to 2014, again I'm guessing that Detroit likes their odds with Drummond.

... this is with me knowing nothing about Drummond, of course. I expect him to be the next Dwight Howard based on his track record so far, but I haven't actually seen him play.