Dal/Atl/Bos idea

[Moranis]

Dallas does this assuming it will sign Dwight.


Dallas in - Smith (S&T - 1st yr ~13.7 million), Bass (6.75)
Dallas out - Marion (9.3), Carter (3.18), Crowder (978k), Larkin (1.3), Ledo (500k), James (500k), Akognan (500k), future 1st, 3 million

Boston in - Teague (S&T - 1st yr. ~10 million), Marion, Ledo, Crowder
Boston out - Bass, Rondo, Lee

Atlanta in - Rondo, Lee, Larkin, James, Akognan, Carter, Dal 1st, 3 million cash
Atlanta out - Smith, Teague


If my math is correct, Dallas can make the trade without cap space, so their cap space can be used to sign Dwight. They would need to convince Smith to start his contract at right around or just below 14 million, but with raises it will still be a nice pay day and he can go to Dallas to play with Dwight (and the no state tax should help with the cost).  Boston unloads both Bass and Lee and while Teague isn't as good as Rondo he is a nice young starting PG to build around and gets a couple of young propects in Crowder and Ledo to look at along with Marion's good sized expiring contract and veteran leadership.  Atlanta gets a better PG to replace Teague, a nice PG prospect to build for the future, some young players they can keep or waive (with Dallas' cash), a future first, and depth at the wing with Lee and Carter (and since Smith is gone anyway, it is a pretty decent haul for them).

[Birdman]

Great job on this and a TP for u...but wouldnt Atlanta have 3 PGs in Rondo, Larkin, and Schroeder?

[action781]

So downgrade from Rondo to Teague?

And the convincing point is that we get out of Bass and Lee's contracts?  This will be a lost season anyways, so really what we get out of is 1 year of Bass and 2 years of Lee.

Not worth that downgrade to me and I really like Teague too.

Another problem is Dallas isn't getting Howard, Houston is.   

[rondoallaturca]

Terrible for Boston.

We'd trade Rondo and not get back any draft picks, not unload Gerald Wallace, and have the privilege of paying Jeff Teague $10M?! The ONLY benefits from this trade are Marion being an expiring and Ledo and Crowder being young players we can develop, but they are absolutely not worth the downsides of the trade.

[Moranis]

Great job on this and a TP for u...but wouldnt Atlanta have 3 PGs in Rondo, Larkin, and Schroeder?

Yeah, but Rondo is presently hurt and only signed one more year past this one and Schroeder may stay overseas this year.  So it may just be Larkin for them at the start of the year.

[PhoSita]

Wait, am I to understand in this deal Boston is signing Teague at $10 million a year?!

[Moranis]

Terrible for Boston.

We'd trade Rondo and not get back any draft picks, not unload Gerald Wallace, and have the privilege of paying Jeff Teague $10M?! The ONLY benefits from this trade are Marion being an expiring and Ledo and Crowder being young players we can develop, but they are absolutely not worth the downsides of the trade.

Teague is a lot better than you are giving him credit for, is healthy, younger than Rondo, and would be on a longer cheaper contract than him.  Now maybe Teague doesn't get 10 million, maybe it is only 8, his contract figure doesn't matter for the dollars so it can be whatever the team and him agreed to (I just think he will get a contract in that range if you read the tea leaves).

Also, Wallace can't be traded for awhile and this is way too complicated to add to the New Jersey trade.

[Moranis]

Wait, am I to understand in this deal Boston is signing Teague at $10 million a year?!

Again that was just what I figure he will get.  I mean he is 24 and coming off of a 14.6/7.2 season with improvement in each of his first 4 seasons.  Looking around the league, Teague is going to get a contract in that range.

[PhoSita]

Terrible for Boston.

We'd trade Rondo and not get back any draft picks, not unload Gerald Wallace, and have the privilege of paying Jeff Teague $10M?! The ONLY benefits from this trade are Marion being an expiring and Ledo and Crowder being young players we can develop, but they are absolutely not worth the downsides of the trade.

Teague is a lot better than you are giving him credit for, is healthy, younger than Rondo, and would be on a longer cheaper contract than him.  Now maybe Teague doesn't get 10 million, maybe it is only 8, his contract figure doesn't matter for the dollars so it can be whatever the team and him agreed to (I just think he will get a contract in that range if you read the tea leaves).

Also, Wallace can't be traded for awhile and this is way too complicated to add to the New Jersey trade.

Teague is a Mario Chalmers caliber talent.

I'd pay 6 or 7 million for him a year (just above the MLE, basically).  Definitely not any more than that.


He's a solidly replacement level point guard.  Best case scenario is he has a couple years playing at the level Devin Harris was at a few years ago (poor man's All-Star).


It is so easy to get a point guard who can give you 15 and 6 with a steal or two in this league.  Not worth shelling much money out for that.

[rondoallaturca]

How is Teague at $10M "a lot cheaper contract" than Rondo at $12M? I'm not knocking on Teague, because he's a great player who was actually a thorn for the C's in recent years, but the kid has not shown anything to prove he's worth eight digits. I mean, even Devin Harris's contract extension from a few years ago never exceed $9.3M in a year.

Teague is worth closer to $6-8M, but even still, that doesn't account for the fact that we don't unload Wallace's contract, and the fact that we don't get any draft picks whatsoever. Your only drawing point to this trade is that we get to "unload" Bass and Lee, but they aren't even bad contracts.

Bad trade.

[PhoSita]

Paying big money to players like Teague is how teams clog up their cap and stay mediocre in this league.

It's just not worth investing heavily in guys like that unless you already have a big star or two in place and just need cost-controlled complementary role players who are not a liability on either end.

If we trade Rondo, I'd much rather just pick up a prospect like Larkin and start him for 82 games. 

[rondoallaturca]

Wait, am I to understand in this deal Boston is signing Teague at $10 million a year?!

Again that was just what I figure he will get.  I mean he is 24 and coming off of a 14.6/7.2 season with improvement in each of his first 4 seasons.  Looking around the league, Teague is going to get a contract in that range.

That's because this league is throwing $12M per year at Evans, $14M per year at Iggy, and who knows what at guys like Smith and Al Jeff. And you know what's going to happen to the teams that pay these guys? They're going to be stuck being mediocre, because they'll be financially trapped from making enough moves that will make them contenders. Unless you're happy with the C's being mediocre, there's no way to argue that this trade is beneficial for the C's in the slightest of ways.

[Moranis]

How is Teague at $10M "a lot cheaper contract" than Rondo at $12M? I'm not knocking on Teague, because he's a great player who was actually a thorn for the C's in recent years, but the kid has not shown anything to prove he's worth eight digits. I mean, even Devin Harris's contract extension from a few years ago never exceed $9.3M in a year.

Teague is worth closer to $6-8M, but even still, that doesn't account for the fact that we don't unload Wallace's contract, and the fact that we don't get any draft picks whatsoever. Your only drawing point to this trade is that we get to "unload" Bass and Lee, but they aren't even bad contracts.

Bad trade.

Devin Harris' best year (before his extension) wasn't nearly as good as Teague's year last year.  Teague is a much better long distance shooter, a better defender, a better passer, and a comparable defender.  He will get a contract bigger than Devin Harris. 

Rondo is 12 this year, 13 next year, and then will be do for a new contract.  Given he will still be in his prime he is going to get a pretty hefty raise (if he is healthy), so you put his first 2 years of the new contract against Teague, and you can see why Teague is much cheaper (at the 4 yr, 40 million or so) than Rondo will be.

And for the record, Brandon Bass is a 6-8 million dollar player.  Jeff Teague is not.  I think you really need to take a look around at contracts in this league.

[Moranis]

Paying big money to players like Teague is how teams clog up their cap and stay mediocre in this league.

It's just not worth investing heavily in guys like that unless you already have a big star or two in place and just need cost-controlled complementary role players who are not a liability on either end.

If we trade Rondo, I'd much rather just pick up a prospect like Larkin and start him for 82 games.

I can see that argument, I just think Teague is a pretty solid player and a very strong complimentary piece that won't lead to all that many more wins (so the team can still tank with him).  I also really like Crowder and Ledo and think both could be solid bench contributors and thus both should hold decent value.

I would also expect if you did this trade that between Marion and Humphries Boston would come out quite nicely at the trade deadline this year.

[slamtheking]

Terrible for Boston.

We'd trade Rondo and not get back any draft picks, not unload Gerald Wallace, and have the privilege of paying Jeff Teague $10M?! The ONLY benefits from this trade are Marion being an expiring and Ledo and Crowder being young players we can develop, but they are absolutely not worth the downsides of the trade.

Teague is a lot better than you are giving him credit for, is healthy, younger than Rondo, and would be on a longer cheaper contract than him.  Now maybe Teague doesn't get 10 million, maybe it is only 8, his contract figure doesn't matter for the dollars so it can be whatever the team and him agreed to (I just think he will get a contract in that range if you read the tea leaves).

Also, Wallace can't be traded for awhile and this is way too complicated to add to the New Jersey trade.

Teague is a Mario Chalmers caliber talent.

I'd pay 6 or 7 million for him a year (just above the MLE, basically).  Definitely not any more than that.


He's a solidly replacement level point guard.  Best case scenario is he has a couple years playing at the level Devin Harris was at a few years ago (poor man's All-Star).


It is so easy to get a point guard who can give you 15 and 6 with a steal or two in this league.  Not worth shelling much money out for that.

This.

The deal is really bad for Boston.  Getting out of Bass and Lee's contract while losing Rondo and not getting anything of real value back for them is pretty lousy.  Teague is ok, not nearly in Rondo's league.  Ledo and Crowder are a long way from being of any real value. 

The contract that needs to go is Wallace's if any.  C's saving money on Bass and Lee doesn't really get them anywhere in the next 2 years considering the level of talent on this roster.