Andre Iguodala: $56 million bid by SAC (SAC has pulled the offer)

[Moranis]

Maybe they put a time limit on the offer, maybe they heard AI that he wasn't going to go there, etc.

[Fafnir]

Sounds like they didn't think he wanted to be there.

Still very Kings move to make an offer and then pull it.

[Moranis]

Sounds like they didn't think he wanted to be there.

Still very Kings move to make an offer and then pull it.

It is, but, it sounds like he wasn't interested and sort of blew the offer off.  I can see why you wouldn't want to pay that kind of money to someone that wasn't excited to be there.  They also probably didn't want to allow him to use their offer to get a better one someone else.  Still a bit Kingsian to offer and then pull it, but I can understand why they did it.

[CelticG1]

Sounds like they didn't think he wanted to be there.

Still very Kings move to make an offer and then pull it.

It is, but, it sounds like he wasn't interested and sort of blew the offer off.  I can see why you wouldn't want to pay that kind of money to someone that wasn't excited to be there.  They also probably didn't want to allow him to use their offer to get a better one someone else.  Still a bit Kingsian to offer and then pull it, but I can understand why they did it.

Yeah but at the same time it makes them look stupid and petty to other fa's.

To me it also wasn't a ridiculously high offer and its the kings its not like people are jumping to get on that bandwagon.

Most fa's probably need some convincing to join their team other than $

[Who]

Sounds to me like the front office did it without ownership approval.

Ownership then found out and pulled the plug.

Is Geoff Petrie still the GM there? Or have they fired him yet? It didn't sound like he was long for the job when the ownership change happened. Wanted to take team in different direction than ownership wanted. I think this Iggy for $56 million is an example of that.

[jambr380]

Teams make a LOT more money than we're lead to believe...Jeff Green is better.

What Iggy does better than Green:
Better defense
Better playmaking
Better leader
Better rebounder
Smarter player
More experience

What Green does better than Iggy:
Better free throw shooter
Better scorer

What's funny is that I think a lot of the same things can be said about Gerald Wallace...Iggy is about to get overpaid - either by Sac or somebody else.

[Fafnir]

Sounds to me like the front office did it without ownership approval.

Ownership then found out and pulled the plug.

Could be, if so that's crazy though.

If you're making 50+ million dollar offers your ownership should be involved before you are meeting with the FA.

[Fafnir]

Teams make a LOT more money than we're lead to believe...Jeff Green is better.

What Iggy does better than Green:
Better defense
Better playmaking
Better leader
Better rebounder
Smarter player
More experience

What Green does better than Iggy:
Better free throw shooter
Better scorer

What's funny is that I think a lot of the same things can be said about Gerald Wallace...Iggy is about to get overpaid - either by Sac or somebody else.

Maybe, but Wallace's deal wasn't bad if he was performing at his level of just his last few years in Portland.

He just fell off a cliff offensively.

[Lucky17]

Sounds to me like the front office did it without ownership approval.

Ownership then found out and pulled the plug.

Is Geoff Petrie still the GM there? Or have they fired him yet? It didn't sound like he was long for the job when the ownership change happened. Wanted to take team in different direction than ownership wanted. I think this Iggy for $56 million is an example of that.

New Kings GM is Pete D'Alessandro, most recently Nuggets VP of Basketball Operations.

Reportedly, Kings asked Iggy for a decision, he wouldn't make one, they pulled the offer.

[Evantime34]

Teams make a LOT more money than we're lead to believe...Jeff Green is better.

What Iggy does better than Green:
Better defense
Better playmaking
Better leader
Better rebounder
Smarter player
More experience

What Green does better than Iggy:
Better free throw shooter
Better scorer

What's funny is that I think a lot of the same things can be said about Gerald Wallace...Iggy is about to get overpaid - either by Sac or somebody else.

Maybe, but Wallace's deal wasn't bad if he was performing at his level of just his last few years in Portland.

He just fell off a cliff offensively.

He also put up career worst rebounding numbers and one of his worst turnover seasons.

However, since his contract will be difficult to deal, I am going to talk myself into him being a good player again. The hope is that with Rondo leading a more uptempo team he will be more effective (the Nets last year were one of the slowest teams pace wise that Crash has ever played for). I also think his consistent hustle rebounding and defense will be a great fit for the rebuilding Celtics, but I'd rather not pay him 10MM a year to be a mentor to our young players.

[Who]

Sounds to me like the front office did it without ownership approval.

Ownership then found out and pulled the plug.

Is Geoff Petrie still the GM there? Or have they fired him yet? It didn't sound like he was long for the job when the ownership change happened. Wanted to take team in different direction than ownership wanted. I think this Iggy for $56 million is an example of that.

New Kings GM is Pete D'Alessandro, most recently Nuggets VP of Basketball Operations.

Reportedly, Kings asked Iggy for a decision, he wouldn't make one, they pulled the offer.

Oh, okay. Well since they have hired a new GM it seems very unlikely that the front office and ownership were that far out of line with what they wanted. I don't think my earlier idea makes any sense then.

Seems strange that they pressured Iggy for a decision and then pulled it so quickly. Maybe they have another deal on the table. Something they don't want to risk losing.

[Fafnir]

Teams make a LOT more money than we're lead to believe...Jeff Green is better.

What Iggy does better than Green:
Better defense
Better playmaking
Better leader
Better rebounder
Smarter player
More experience

What Green does better than Iggy:
Better free throw shooter
Better scorer

What's funny is that I think a lot of the same things can be said about Gerald Wallace...Iggy is about to get overpaid - either by Sac or somebody else.

Maybe, but Wallace's deal wasn't bad if he was performing at his level of just his last few years in Portland.

He just fell off a cliff offensively.

He also put up career worst rebounding numbers and one of his worst turnover seasons.

His rebounding is tough to judge. He played 4 to 1 more minutes at SF this year. Previous years he was probably 1:1 when it came to SF/PF minutes. That of course makes a big difference for his rebounding chances.

Then you add the fact that they had him standing passively at the 3 point line for so many of there sets, harder to get on the offensive glass from out there.

A whole lot of factors all converging in his decline, remains to be seen if he can bounce back.

[jambr380]

Teams make a LOT more money than we're lead to believe...Jeff Green is better.

What Iggy does better than Green:
Better defense
Better playmaking
Better leader
Better rebounder
Smarter player
More experience

What Green does better than Iggy:
Better free throw shooter
Better scorer

What's funny is that I think a lot of the same things can be said about Gerald Wallace...Iggy is about to get overpaid - either by Sac or somebody else.

Maybe, but Wallace's deal wasn't bad if he was performing at his level of just his last few years in Portland.

He just fell off a cliff offensively.

He also put up career worst rebounding numbers and one of his worst turnover seasons.

His rebounding is tough to judge. He played 4 to 1 more minutes at SF this year. Previous years he was probably 1:1 when it came to SF/PF minutes. That of course makes a big difference for his rebounding chances.

Then you add the fact that they had him standing passively at the 3 point line for so many of there sets, harder to get on the offensive glass from out there.

A whole lot of factors all converging in his decline, remains to be seen if he can bounce back.

Glad to see somebody else somewhat optimistic about Wallace. The worst thing we could do right now is use a guy like Rondo to dump Wallace's contract. There are a number of factors that contributed to his steep decline (as you noted) in NJ. I think, at the very least, we need to give him decent minutes and let him play like he always has, rather than as the 5th option on a team, standing in a corner.