Report: Rajon Rondo will not demand trade from Celtics

[LarBrd33]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum. 

[indeedproceed]

Report: Rondo covers his butt in case he's not traded, and preserves some of Danny's leverage.


Kidding, I think the kid saying it is good form. I was telling my friend recently that I wish just once a star would look at an impending rebuild and say, 'yeah that's fine but Im still on the team and Im not leaving til they tell me I gotta go.'

[LarBrd33]

Report: Rondo covers his butt in case he's not traded, and preserves some of Danny's leverage.

... I mean that's basically how I think the Doc/Danny thing played out.

I don't think there's any bad blood at all between Doc/Danny or Doc/Rondo or Danny/Rondo.   I'm sure everyone is cool with KG and Pierce too.   Ainge is heading in a new direction with this team.  There's no hard feelings here... Ainge is starting fresh with young talent and draft picks in what will likely be a 3-5 year rebuild.  So you have to play that media game.  I'm sure Danny and Rondo have had discussions... I'm sure Danny has made it clear that they might not trade him, but that a trade is possible if we get enough assets... and if we get enough assets he'll do his best to send Rondo to a team that is looking to contend so Rondo doesn't have to be stuck on a team that's not going to be good again until his early 30s.   

I really think the flip/flopping that people saw in Doc was really just Doc helping Danny keep some leverage so that Danny could get what he needed to let Doc coach a contender.  When I hear Rondo come out and say he's fine with being part of a rebuild... or Danny come out and say "I have no intention of trading Rondo"... My reaction is...

"Oh!  Of course, guys!" 

[RJ87]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

  You sound almost as certain about this as you were that Dwight Howard was going to join the Nets last summer.

Aw Tim that's not fair.  Dwight signed an extension with Orlando on March 16th, 2012 effectively "keeping him in Orlando" and ending speculation that he'd be traded.

A week later, I posted a lengthy thread detailing why I believed Dwight caved to pressure from the media (fearing he'd be vilified worse than Lebron) and effectively gave Orlando back some leverage by signing that extension... and made a wild prediction that he'd be still be traded sometime between June 28th and July 11th 2012.   

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54922.msg1175965#msg1175965

I was picking up breadcrumbs of what I knew of the story at the time.  My gut was that Orlando would still trade him and that now they had some leverage to get it done.  I figured the Nets were the only option.  I based that on the fact that Dwight had rejected a trade to the Lakers prior to signing the Orlando extension... and that Dwight was refusing to sign an extension with any team but the Nets.  So clearly the Lakers would be nuts to trade for Dwight in what could be nothing more than a 1 year rental, right?  It was sound logic. 

If you check out the first few posts in that thread, it's mostly people saying I'm crazy and that Dwight clearly was sticking in Orlando.

So what ended up happening?  The Nets lost their opportunity... Dwight ended up getting traded a month after my silly 2 week window... and he ended up going to the Lakers.  Yeah... the Lakers... who are looking like they might lose him.  A 1 year rental.  Dumb move on the Lakers part.  I predicted that a week after Dwight signed his Orlando extension.

My logic was sound.

So maybe Rondo doesn't get traded in a couple weeks after the KG/Pierce Nets trade goes through.  Maybe it happens in a month instead.  *shrug*

 

I don't think anyone saw Dwight opting in as an end to the Dwightmare. No offense, but your prediction was shared by a lot of analysts and fans alike, it wasn't some profound insight.

[wayupnorth]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

[LarBrd33]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

  You sound almost as certain about this as you were that Dwight Howard was going to join the Nets last summer.

Aw Tim that's not fair.  Dwight signed an extension with Orlando on March 16th, 2012 effectively "keeping him in Orlando" and ending speculation that he'd be traded.

A week later, I posted a lengthy thread detailing why I believed Dwight caved to pressure from the media (fearing he'd be vilified worse than Lebron) and effectively gave Orlando back some leverage by signing that extension... and made a wild prediction that he'd be still be traded sometime between June 28th and July 11th 2012.   

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54922.msg1175965#msg1175965

I was picking up breadcrumbs of what I knew of the story at the time.  My gut was that Orlando would still trade him and that now they had some leverage to get it done.  I figured the Nets were the only option.  I based that on the fact that Dwight had rejected a trade to the Lakers prior to signing the Orlando extension... and that Dwight was refusing to sign an extension with any team but the Nets.  So clearly the Lakers would be nuts to trade for Dwight in what could be nothing more than a 1 year rental, right?  It was sound logic. 

If you check out the first few posts in that thread, it's mostly people saying I'm crazy and that Dwight clearly was sticking in Orlando.

So what ended up happening?  The Nets lost their opportunity... Dwight ended up getting traded a month after my silly 2 week window... and he ended up going to the Lakers.  Yeah... the Lakers... who are looking like they might lose him.  A 1 year rental.  Dumb move on the Lakers part.  I predicted that a week after Dwight signed his Orlando extension.

My logic was sound.

So maybe Rondo doesn't get traded in a couple weeks after the KG/Pierce Nets trade goes through.  Maybe it happens in a month instead.  *shrug*

 

I don't think anyone saw Dwight opting in as an end to the Dwightmare. No offense, but your prediction was shared by a lot of analysts and fans alike, it wasn't some profound insight.

Well that's just not true.  Tell that to Orlando fans at the time... they were celebrating like crazy that the Dwightmare was over.  Check out some of the responses in that thread: 

"No way... not unless something drastic changes...DH seems VERY settled and satisfied with his choice."... 

"I doubt they trade Howard.  He made more than a good faith gesture in signing the extension."

"Not seeing it."

etc...

Yeah I mean eventually people caught on, but at that point plenty of people saw it as an 'extension" when really he was just refusing to opt out.

Anyways... lol.  Whatever.  Neither here nor there.  The point is, there's breadcrumbs here too.  Give it a couple weeks.  I don't think Rondo is lasting very long.

[BballTim]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

  You sound almost as certain about this as you were that Dwight Howard was going to join the Nets last summer.

Aw Tim that's not fair.  Dwight signed an extension with Orlando on March 16th, 2012 effectively "keeping him in Orlando" and ending speculation that he'd be traded.

A week later, I posted a lengthy thread detailing why I believed Dwight caved to pressure from the media (fearing he'd be vilified worse than Lebron) and effectively gave Orlando back some leverage by signing that extension... and made a wild prediction that he'd be still be traded sometime between June 28th and July 11th 2012.   

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54922.msg1175965#msg1175965

I was picking up breadcrumbs of what I knew of the story at the time.  My gut was that Orlando would still trade him and that now they had some leverage to get it done.  I figured the Nets were the only option.  I based that on the fact that Dwight had rejected a trade to the Lakers prior to signing the Orlando extension... and that Dwight was refusing to sign an extension with any team but the Nets.  So clearly the Lakers would be nuts to trade for Dwight in what could be nothing more than a 1 year rental, right?  It was sound logic. 

If you check out the first few posts in that thread, it's mostly people saying I'm crazy and that Dwight clearly was sticking in Orlando.

So what ended up happening?  The Nets lost their opportunity... Dwight ended up getting traded a month after my silly 2 week window... and he ended up going to the Lakers.  Yeah... the Lakers... who are looking like they might lose him.  A 1 year rental.  Dumb move on the Lakers part.  I predicted that a week after Dwight signed his Orlando extension.

My logic was sound.

  Your logic may or may not have been sound but it was clearly based on incorrect assumptions. You don't seem to be able to differentiate between what you think will probably happen and what will definitely happen. You're claiming in this case that you were wrong but it's excusable because your logic was sound. I think in general the opposite is frequently true, that you're right in spite of your "logic".

 Is Danny going to trade Rondo? I don't know, and neither do you. You feel fairly certain that he will, but it's just a guess. Danny's denied that he's trying to trade Rondo, and another team's GM denied that Danny's trying to trade Rondo. If Danny does trade Rondo, does that mean that you were right that it was going to happen? Yes. Does it somehow mean that you *knew* it was going to happen? Clearly not.

[LarBrd33]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

Yeah not the same guy.  I'm an admitted pessimist.  But in this instance, I'm actually pretty thrilled we are tanking.  I like the process.  I have faith in Danny.  It's going to be really fun in a couple years.  Just gotta go through the bottoming out phase.  I love KG and Pierce and I was sad to see them go, but it was for the greater good.  Rondo is my favorite player to watch on the Celtics, but I don't think he fits into a rebuild and I doubt the Celtics do either... We'll always have the memories.

[LarBrd33]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

  You sound almost as certain about this as you were that Dwight Howard was going to join the Nets last summer.

Aw Tim that's not fair.  Dwight signed an extension with Orlando on March 16th, 2012 effectively "keeping him in Orlando" and ending speculation that he'd be traded.

A week later, I posted a lengthy thread detailing why I believed Dwight caved to pressure from the media (fearing he'd be vilified worse than Lebron) and effectively gave Orlando back some leverage by signing that extension... and made a wild prediction that he'd be still be traded sometime between June 28th and July 11th 2012.   

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=54922.msg1175965#msg1175965

I was picking up breadcrumbs of what I knew of the story at the time.  My gut was that Orlando would still trade him and that now they had some leverage to get it done.  I figured the Nets were the only option.  I based that on the fact that Dwight had rejected a trade to the Lakers prior to signing the Orlando extension... and that Dwight was refusing to sign an extension with any team but the Nets.  So clearly the Lakers would be nuts to trade for Dwight in what could be nothing more than a 1 year rental, right?  It was sound logic. 

If you check out the first few posts in that thread, it's mostly people saying I'm crazy and that Dwight clearly was sticking in Orlando.

So what ended up happening?  The Nets lost their opportunity... Dwight ended up getting traded a month after my silly 2 week window... and he ended up going to the Lakers.  Yeah... the Lakers... who are looking like they might lose him.  A 1 year rental.  Dumb move on the Lakers part.  I predicted that a week after Dwight signed his Orlando extension.

My logic was sound.

  Your logic may or may not have been sound but it was clearly based on incorrect assumptions. You don't seem to be able to differentiate between what you think will probably happen and what will definitely happen. You're claiming in this case that you were wrong but it's excusable because your logic was sound. I think in general the opposite is frequently true, that you're right in spite of your "logic".

 Is Danny going to trade Rondo? I don't know, and neither do you. You feel fairly certain that he will, but it's just a guess. Danny's denied that he's trying to trade Rondo, and another team's GM denied that Danny's trying to trade Rondo. If Danny does trade Rondo, does that mean that you were right that it was going to happen? Yes. Does it somehow mean that you *knew* it was going to happen? Clearly not.

I haven't claimed I know.  I said that it's the logical move and it makes sense for it to happen.  I don't "Know" squat.  I'm seeing the same stuff you see...

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

FYI: Celts aren't moving Rondo unless they can dump multiple contracts in the trade. They want to fully bottom out while creating cap space.

Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 29 Jun

I'm intrigued by these Mavs-Celts rumors. Would Dallas take on the Wallace/Lee/Bass contracts with Rondo for Larkin + Marion/VC expirings?

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 29 Jun

Even after ACL tear, Boston asking a lot for Rondo. Yet as we discussed Friday AM on @MikeAndMike, teams out there DO think Rondo next to go

They are discussing trades.  They probably will not do ANYTHING until the Nets/Celtics deal becomes official, because they'll likely want to try to dump Wallace in a deal as well.  Our moves leading up to this point (letting Doc coach a contender, aggressively trying to dump bad contracts, trading KG and Pierce, looking for a cheap unknown babysitter, not aggressive looking at sign-and-trade opportunities) all represent a team with no intention of competing this year.  They want to tank.  They want a top pick in 2014.  That means 3-5 year rebuild that doesn't make sense to include Rondo.

Do I "know" it will happen?  Come on, Tim... when I said I had a time machine and Beppo the Supermonkey was my source, I was joking.  I merely follow Beppo the Supermonkey on twitter.   

[Kiorrik]

If he starts at the start of the season, Rondo will break the assist record this season. By a mile.

[BballTim]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

  If you're looking for a poster who hasn't been here for a while and was infamously pessimistic I'd start with (pretty sure this is right) Moranis. He's not the same poster as LarBrd33, he was one of the best debaters that I've seen on this blog. I think he was a lawyer, which explained his debating prowess. Some of the nonsense I read on this board really makes me miss arguing with him.

[PhoSita]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

  If you're looking for a poster who hasn't been here for a while and was infamously pessimistic I'd start with (pretty sure this is right) Moranis. He's not the same poster as LarBrd33, he was one of the best debaters that I've seen on this blog. I think he was a lawyer, which explained his debating prowess. Some of the nonsense I read on this board really makes me miss arguing with him.

Moranis still posts here all the time . . . .

Anyways, I seem to remember from somewhere that talking about people who have been banned is bad form (I think there was a post somebody made about discussing people who aren't around anymore).

These days, though, nearly everybody is negative in their own way.  That's understandable, because there's a lot to be negative about with this team.

[BballTim]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

  If you're looking for a poster who hasn't been here for a while and was infamously pessimistic I'd start with (pretty sure this is right) Moranis. He's not the same poster as LarBrd33, he was one of the best debaters that I've seen on this blog. I think he was a lawyer, which explained his debating prowess. Some of the nonsense I read on this board really makes me miss arguing with him.

Moranis still posts here all the time . . . .

Anyways, I seem to remember from somewhere that talking about people who have been banned is bad form (I think there was a post somebody made about discussing people who aren't around anymore).

These days, though, nearly everybody is negative in their own way.  That's understandable, because there's a lot to be negative about with this team.

  Haha, you're right, I definitely have the wrong username (apologies to Moranis). Now I'm blanking on his name, it will hit me in a day or two, although I wouldn't be surprised if Roy Hobbs knew who I meant. I don't think that the person was banned but he could have been.

[Celtics18]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

  If you're looking for a poster who hasn't been here for a while and was infamously pessimistic I'd start with (pretty sure this is right) Moranis. He's not the same poster as LarBrd33, he was one of the best debaters that I've seen on this blog. I think he was a lawyer, which explained his debating prowess. Some of the nonsense I read on this board really makes me miss arguing with him.

Moranis still posts here all the time . . . .

Anyways, I seem to remember from somewhere that talking about people who have been banned is bad form (I think there was a post somebody made about discussing people who aren't around anymore).

These days, though, nearly everybody is negative in their own way.  That's understandable, because there's a lot to be negative about with this team.

  Haha, you're right, I definitely have the wrong username (apologies to Moranis). Now I'm blanking on his name, it will hit me in a day or two, although I wouldn't be surprised if Roy Hobbs knew who I meant. I don't think that the person was banned but he could have been.

Posimpos?

[Kiorrik]

That's nice. Demanding a trade would be kind of redundant at this point.... Like preemptively dumping your girlfriend when you find out she's planning on dumping you as soon as her kg/pierce nets trade becomes official.

Just curious, but have you ever had any other usernames in any other versions of the blog?

I think what you're asking is... have I ever been banned from this forum... No...

Crazy, right?  I keep expecting it to happen.  I once got a temporary suspension after destroying everyone in the 1st annual Fake Draft league.  I ended up hustling everyone in the league into trading me 7 all-stars for a bunch of nobodies.  Then the commish cut me off and vetoed one of my trades, I threw a tantrum about his meddling and got myself sent into quiet time.   They don't let me play those games anymore...   

I've always been LarBrd33 going back prior to 2006 in the old version of the Forum.

No, no, not banned. You may be contrarion (and in my humble opinion) wildly negative, but you are respectful about it.

There was just a fellow (whose name is on the tip of my tongue) who was infamously pessimistic.

His name was not LarBrd33, however.

I want to say it started with an A, and he had the name at the end of every post.

hmmm.

  If you're looking for a poster who hasn't been here for a while and was infamously pessimistic I'd start with (pretty sure this is right) Moranis. He's not the same poster as LarBrd33, he was one of the best debaters that I've seen on this blog. I think he was a lawyer, which explained his debating prowess. Some of the nonsense I read on this board really makes me miss arguing with him.

Moranis still posts here all the time . . . .

Anyways, I seem to remember from somewhere that talking about people who have been banned is bad form (I think there was a post somebody made about discussing people who aren't around anymore).

These days, though, nearly everybody is negative in their own way.  That's understandable, because there's a lot to be negative about with this team.

  Haha, you're right, I definitely have the wrong username (apologies to Moranis). Now I'm blanking on his name, it will hit me in a day or two, although I wouldn't be surprised if Roy Hobbs knew who I meant. I don't think that the person was banned but he could have been.

Posimpos?

Jeff?