How do you rank our various trade assets?

[LarBrd33]

Just curious how you all view our trade assets.  I don't know if I have a firm grasp on it myself.  I've been following this league for a while, but when it comes to someone like Jeff Green... I really don't know how to rank the guy.  Is he seen as a bad contract?  9 mil a year for a guy who is perceived (fair or unfair) as being streaky... or is he considered around the league as a solid young fringe all-star with the potential for greatness?

Help me figure out.

I'll give it a shot, but admit I'm probably wrong.

Ranking the Trade Assets:

#1 - Our 2014 1st rounder -  It's a pick that could end up being top 5 in the best draft in over a decade.  That's got to give that pick substantial trade value.  If I'm a team looking to grab an asset from Boston, their unprotected 2014 pick would be the first thing I'd ask for.


#2 - Rondo -  It's Rondo, right?  Former all-star PG who occasionally puts up superstar stats in the playoffs.  His contract isn't too bad.  He'll be 28 years old coming off ACL surgery next year... could probably be back to 100% by the time he's 29.  He's gotta be our #2 asset.


... Beyond those two, you could pretty much convince me of anything.  For instance, I'd argue the following with a straight face:

#3 - Kelly Olynyk -  Our highest draft pick in 6 years.  It was a garbage draft, but Olynyk was officially taken in the lotto (#13) and from what I understand that was right about where he was projected (Draft Express had him #12).  He's healthy.  He might not be as good as the other guys on this list, but being an "unknown" tends to have some value in this league.  Rookie contract... healthy...  I could see him being our 3rd most desirable asset. 

#4 -  Jeff Green?  -   I guess it depends what camp you fall into.  His heart issue doesn't concern me at all.  It's not like an ACL or a back... it's not going to "flair up" or get "reinjured".  "Reinjury" would basically mean death, right?  So let's just say the heart issue is a non-factor.  His post-allstar numbers:  17 points, 5 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1 block, 1 steal  49%/44%/80% in 33.5 minutes per game  ... His playoff numbers:  20.3 points, 5.3 rebounds, 2.3 asssits, 44%/46%/84% in 43 minutes per game  ... Good player that will probably never be an all-star.  27 in a month.  Does the contract scare teams? 

#5 - Avery Bradley? - I personally see Bradley as a guy with limited potential, but he's 22 years old.  I see him as a role playing PG.  Very one-dimensional.  Defense only.  Offensively inept.  I don't see him as having size to play SG long-term.  I could see him as being the starting PG on a team built around a ball-dominant player like LeBron or Durant.  Basically filling the Derrick Fisher role... play solid defense and knock down some shots.  I could also see a contender picking up Bradley as a solid option off the bench... a defensive pest to slow down the Irvings/Westbrooks/Rose/Chris Paul's of the world.  All-Defense second team this year gives him some trade value, you'd think.

... But how much trade value does Bradley really have?  Could you get a lotto pick for him?  I don't think so.  Probably worth a late 1st rounder.  If you had the option of giving up Avery Bradley... or our 2015 pick... you probably hang onto the 2015 pick (that will probably be a lotto pick).  In a choice between Bradley and the 2015 Clippers pick... You probably keep Bradley, right? 

#6 - Sully -  His per-minute numbers weren't bad.  He was actually top 10 in efficiency for rookies... which backs up the folks who believe he had lotto talent.  But obviously he slipped to #21 for a reason.  That back issue is still a major concern.  We hear this might correct it, but I imagine if it was simple as having surgery to "fix it for good", he wouldn't have slipped all the way to #21.  No telling if this will be a long-term issue with him.

.... and then we have all of those draft picks.  Clippers 2015, Brooklyn in 2014, 2016, 2018.  I wouldn't be shocked to see a team covet Brooklyn's 2014 pick more than Sully or Bradley. 

What about the rest of the stuff on this roster?  Fab is kind of useless.  Bass is a bad contract.  Lee is a bad contract.  Does Humphries expiring contract deserve to be high on the list simply for the fact that it's expiring?

Rank em!

[rondoallaturca]

Give me a moment. I'm still getting past the shock of reading a LarBrd33 post that was actually sensible.

[BballTim]

  I'm trying to decide between ranking them by age, height or alphabetical order.

[CelticG1]

Rondo for sure.

I certainly would bet on Rondos health before a top 5 pick.

We aren't gettig a top 5 unless we get VERY lucky or if rondo sits out gets traded.

Also think Jeff Green at least is rated above Kelly and above that pick as well

[Who]

(1) Rondo

(2) 2014 pick = I reckon it will be in the 8-12 range
(3) Jeff Green
(4) Sullinger

(5) Bradley
(6) Olynyk

[droopdog7]

(1) Rondo

(2) 2014 pick = I reckon it will be in the 8-12 range
(3) Jeff Green
(4) Sullinger

(5) Bradley
(6) Olynyk

I think this is pretty close to accurate.  2-4 are all very close I think.  I would put Rondo above a pick from 8-12 but below one in the top five.

[rondoallaturca]

(1) Rondo

(2) 2014 pick = I reckon it will be in the 8-12 range
(3) Jeff Green
(4) Sullinger

(5) Bradley
(6) Olynyk

Nailed it, although Sully and Bradley are arguably interchangeable.

[Evantime34]

1. Rondo
2. First round pick

3. Jeff Green
4. Bradley

5. Sullinger
6. Olynyk

[coco]

The last think I want to do is trading JGreen and/or Rondo for pennies on the dollar(i.e. for draft picks or cap room or a mediocre all-star).  They are both young studs at their positions.  But not high profile enough to land you a difference maker...say...KDurant.

[LarBrd33]

(1) Rondo

(2) 2014 pick = I reckon it will be in the 8-12 range
(3) Jeff Green
(4) Sullinger

(5) Bradley
(6) Olynyk

I think this is pretty close to accurate.  2-4 are all very close I think.  I would put Rondo above a pick from 8-12 but below one in the top five.

That's fair.  So what you are basically telling me is that say rondo sits out all season... At the deadline you have a chance to trade him to a team that has the 8th worst record for their 1st rounder...  You don't do it.  But if you have a chance to trade him to the team with the worst record for their 1st, you do it.

That's why that 2014 pick could be our best trade asset... I could totally see Boston with a bottom 5 record this year.

Of course, in practice it doesn't make sense... Since if at the deadline we had the 6th worst record in the league, you would definitely rather give up rondo than the pick.  But if we were to give up the pick, it means we are probably getting something substantial in return... And if you get something substantial in return, it probably means you will start winning games and ruin the value of the draft pick for the team who gave up something substantial.

[More Banners]

Gotta separate the trade assets from the core.

We don't have a bad team; we have spare parts.

Starters:  Rondo, Lee (my call due to size), Green, Sully, Mystery Center?

So who would fill out the bench rotation?

I have Bradley as backup combo guard, Crash as backup swing forward in a Posey role, and Olynk as 3rd big.

We're 2 7 footers away from a pretty good rotation.

Humphries at C off the bench?  I'd rather trade him...

The rest of the crowd looks like trade fodder to me.

Of course, any rotation player could be traded for an upgrade, e.g. Sully, Humphries, picks for Aldridge...

But I'm keeping Rondo and Green if I can help it.

[Celtics18]

(1) Rondo

(2) 2014 pick = I reckon it will be in the 8-12 range
(3) Jeff Green
(4) Sullinger

(5) Bradley
(6) Olynyk

I think this is pretty close to accurate.  2-4 are all very close I think.  I would put Rondo above a pick from 8-12 but below one in the top five.

That's fair.  So what you are basically telling me is that say rondo sits out all season... At the deadline you have a chance to trade him to a team that has the 8th worst record for their 1st rounder...  You don't do it.  But if you have a chance to trade him to the team with the worst record for their 1st, you do it.

That's why that 2014 pick could be our best trade asset... I could totally see Boston with a bottom 5 record this year.

Of course, in practice it doesn't make sense... Since if at the deadline we had the 6th worst record in the league, you would definitely rather give up rondo than the pick.  But if we were to give up the pick, it means we are probably getting something substantial in return... And if you get something substantial in return, it probably means you will start winning games and ruin the value of the draft pick for the team who gave up something substantial.

It's a tough one.  We want to be able to make some moves, but we can't risk taking back good players. 

[Celtics4ever]

1)  Humphries is a best trade asset.

[lightspeed5]

Gotta separate the trade assets from the core.

We don't have a bad team; we have spare parts.

Starters:  Rondo, Lee (my call due to size), Green, Sully, Mystery Center?

So who would fill out the bench rotation?

I have Bradley as backup combo guard, Crash as backup swing forward in a Posey role, and Olynk as 3rd big.

We're 2 7 footers away from a pretty good rotation.

Humphries at C off the bench?  I'd rather trade him...

The rest of the crowd looks like trade fodder to me.

Of course, any rotation player could be traded for an upgrade, e.g. Sully, Humphries, picks for Aldridge...

But I'm keeping Rondo and Green if I can help it.

we're not 2 7 footers from being good. we need an efficient and consistent perimeter shooter to space the floor, and a healthy and fully recovered rondo. we also need an offensive center to make up for offense from our backcourt, as well as a backup center and backup pg. a  consistent 6 man is also needed.

[Boris Badenov]

(1) Rondo

(2) 2014 pick = I reckon it will be in the 8-12 range
(3) Jeff Green
(4) Sullinger

(5) Bradley
(6) Olynyk

Nailed it, although Sully and Bradley are arguably interchangeable.

I agree too (assuming Rondo is playing at his pre-injury level).

Except I'd rank Humphries above Olynyk, at least now. Humphries has proven he is an NBA player (and borderline starter), while Olynyk has not. And, his contract is expiring.

And Sully is at his pre-injury level I think he's more attractive than Bradley, because quality big men are so rare.