Cs are at a fork in the road, what path should they take????

[eugen]

Trade Rondo. Sign Monta Ellis, get Al Jeffesron, Steve Jackson(Or Kirilenko) and JJ Redick

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

As the great Yogi Berra once said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

[SHAQATTACK]

stick a fork in the Celtics

they're dun

[nickagneta]

I think that's unfair to Danny.  He worked for years to develop that assets like AlJeff, Gomes, DWest, etc.--as well as to lose their way high in the lottery--to be able to make the final moves with Ray and KG.  Sure, it was quick and transformative once it all came to the head, but it was actually the culmination of a strategy that Danny had followed with discipline.

I think it unfair to Danny but I also consider it true.

You can develop talent and collect picks forever, but that doesn't mean you will find the right players becoming available at just the right time with people you have good working relationships with.

Most times you have to be good and lucky to succeed. That's what happened that summer. Danny did all the right things but also had circumstances align perfectly for him to complete the trades and get the players he did that also happened to have awesome chemistry.

That stuff just doesn't happen every day.

[lightspeed5]

Our team would not get us a 10th pick.... our best player is green and rondo will sit out like rose.

[BballTim]

I think that's unfair to Danny.  He worked for years to develop that assets like AlJeff, Gomes, DWest, etc.--as well as to lose their way high in the lottery--to be able to make the final moves with Ray and KG.  Sure, it was quick and transformative once it all came to the head, but it was actually the culmination of a strategy that Danny had followed with discipline.

I think it unfair to Danny but I also consider it true.

You can develop talent and collect picks forever, but that doesn't mean you will find the right players becoming available at just the right time with people you have good working relationships with.

Most times you have to be good and lucky to succeed. That's what happened that summer. Danny did all the right things but also had circumstances align perfectly for him to complete the trades and get the players he did that also happened to have awesome chemistry.

That stuff just doesn't happen every day.

  If you're going to call what Danny did lucky you'd have to call just about everything that any GM has ever done lucky. You can't draft players that aren't in the draft, and you can't draft the players that are picked before your turn. You can't trade for players that other teams don't want to part with and you can't get them for offers that are lower than other teams will accept. You can't sign players that aren't free agents and you can't sign players that don't want to play on your team.

  It's fine to say Danny's lucky if that's the tack you want to take, but if you then claim that some other GM is shrewd or clever or talented you're going somewhat off the reservation.

[rondoallaturca]

Why does the only retool vote specifically include Josh Smith and only Josh Smith?

[wiley]

I think that's unfair to Danny.  He worked for years to develop that assets like AlJeff, Gomes, DWest, etc.--as well as to lose their way high in the lottery--to be able to make the final moves with Ray and KG.  Sure, it was quick and transformative once it all came to the head, but it was actually the culmination of a strategy that Danny had followed with discipline.

I think it unfair to Danny but I also consider it true.

You can develop talent and collect picks forever, but that doesn't mean you will find the right players becoming available at just the right time with people you have good working relationships with.

Most times you have to be good and lucky to succeed. That's what happened that summer. Danny did all the right things but also had circumstances align perfectly for him to complete the trades and get the players he did that also happened to have awesome chemistry.

That stuff just doesn't happen every day.

  If you're going to call what Danny did lucky you'd have to call just about everything that any GM has ever done lucky. You can't draft players that aren't in the draft, and you can't draft the players that are picked before your turn. You can't trade for players that other teams don't want to part with and you can't get them for offers that are lower than other teams will accept. You can't sign players that aren't free agents and you can't sign players that don't want to play on your team.

  It's fine to say Danny's lucky if that's the tack you want to take, but if you then claim that some other GM is shrewd or clever or talented you're going somewhat off the reservation.

Agreed.  No one else was clamoring for us to go chasing after KG, who balked until we added Ray Allen.  People were high on Al J. and there was a lot of initial criticism of the trades that forewent Jeff Green for Ray and Big Al for heavy mileage KG.  Danny has been particularly unlucky I would say.  Without terrible injury luck since the championship he'd have 2 more rings I'd say.  And no one would bash Danny, Doc or Rondo with all their hardware.  The injury bug has also limited his abiilty to make high impact trades (Sully, Green, Bradley and Rondo have all gone through value limiting health problems, and so have a few others)

[PhoSita]

I think that's unfair to Danny.  He worked for years to develop that assets like AlJeff, Gomes, DWest, etc.--as well as to lose their way high in the lottery--to be able to make the final moves with Ray and KG.  Sure, it was quick and transformative once it all came to the head, but it was actually the culmination of a strategy that Danny had followed with discipline.

I think it unfair to Danny but I also consider it true.

You can develop talent and collect picks forever, but that doesn't mean you will find the right players becoming available at just the right time with people you have good working relationships with.

Most times you have to be good and lucky to succeed. That's what happened that summer. Danny did all the right things but also had circumstances align perfectly for him to complete the trades and get the players he did that also happened to have awesome chemistry.

That stuff just doesn't happen every day.

  If you're going to call what Danny did lucky you'd have to call just about everything that any GM has ever done lucky. You can't draft players that aren't in the draft, and you can't draft the players that are picked before your turn. You can't trade for players that other teams don't want to part with and you can't get them for offers that are lower than other teams will accept. You can't sign players that aren't free agents and you can't sign players that don't want to play on your team.

  It's fine to say Danny's lucky if that's the tack you want to take, but if you then claim that some other GM is shrewd or clever or talented you're going somewhat off the reservation.

Funny thing, the good GMs seem to get lucky a heck of a lot.  The bad GMs have a lot of bad luck.

[nickagneta]

I think that's unfair to Danny.  He worked for years to develop that assets like AlJeff, Gomes, DWest, etc.--as well as to lose their way high in the lottery--to be able to make the final moves with Ray and KG.  Sure, it was quick and transformative once it all came to the head, but it was actually the culmination of a strategy that Danny had followed with discipline.

I think it unfair to Danny but I also consider it true.

You can develop talent and collect picks forever, but that doesn't mean you will find the right players becoming available at just the right time with people you have good working relationships with.

Most times you have to be good and lucky to succeed. That's what happened that summer. Danny did all the right things but also had circumstances align perfectly for him to complete the trades and get the players he did that also happened to have awesome chemistry.

That stuff just doesn't happen every day.

  If you're going to call what Danny did lucky you'd have to call just about everything that any GM has ever done lucky. You can't draft players that aren't in the draft, and you can't draft the players that are picked before your turn. You can't trade for players that other teams don't want to part with and you can't get them for offers that are lower than other teams will accept. You can't sign players that aren't free agents and you can't sign players that don't want to play on your team.

  It's fine to say Danny's lucky if that's the tack you want to take, but if you then claim that some other GM is shrewd or clever or talented you're going somewhat off the reservation.

Not sure I said he was just lucky. You best go back and re-read what I wrote. He did a great job AND got lucky. Almost any truly successful person will tell you that it probably was a bit of being both excellent at what they do and lucky that got them where they are. All the hard, quality work in the world won't pay off without the right opportunity presenting itself. And opportunity is pretty much a matter of luck, being at the right place at the right time.

Not sure that is a critical view of what Ainge did 6 years ago.

[BballTim]

I think that's unfair to Danny.  He worked for years to develop that assets like AlJeff, Gomes, DWest, etc.--as well as to lose their way high in the lottery--to be able to make the final moves with Ray and KG.  Sure, it was quick and transformative once it all came to the head, but it was actually the culmination of a strategy that Danny had followed with discipline.

I think it unfair to Danny but I also consider it true.

You can develop talent and collect picks forever, but that doesn't mean you will find the right players becoming available at just the right time with people you have good working relationships with.

Most times you have to be good and lucky to succeed. That's what happened that summer. Danny did all the right things but also had circumstances align perfectly for him to complete the trades and get the players he did that also happened to have awesome chemistry.

That stuff just doesn't happen every day.

  If you're going to call what Danny did lucky you'd have to call just about everything that any GM has ever done lucky. You can't draft players that aren't in the draft, and you can't draft the players that are picked before your turn. You can't trade for players that other teams don't want to part with and you can't get them for offers that are lower than other teams will accept. You can't sign players that aren't free agents and you can't sign players that don't want to play on your team.

  It's fine to say Danny's lucky if that's the tack you want to take, but if you then claim that some other GM is shrewd or clever or talented you're going somewhat off the reservation.

Not sure I said he was just lucky. You best go back and re-read what I wrote. He did a great job AND got lucky. Almost any truly successful person will tell you that it probably was a bit of being both excellent at what they do and lucky that got them where they are. All the hard, quality work in the world won't pay off without the right opportunity presenting itself. And opportunity is pretty much a matter of luck, being at the right place at the right time.

Not sure that is a critical view of what Ainge did 6 years ago.

  What happened 6 years ago was a result of Ainge not getting a top 2 pick in the draft, which was hardly lucky. You'd also have to consider what would have happened if he hadn't been in the "right place at the right time". Say Minny doesn't trade KG, we hold on to our assets for a few months, outbid the Lakers for Pau and end up winning 3 titles in a row (no KG injury in 2009, no Pau on the Lakers on 2010). What if he'd done better in the lottery and gotten KD instead of Ray? We could be a dynasty right now. Danny can only take advantage of the situations presented to him, but the thought that he'd have been screwed if things didn't happen exactly as they did are pretty misplaced.

[nickagneta]

but the thought that he'd have been screwed if things didn't happen exactly as they did are pretty misplaced.

Yup, that is a pretty misplaced thought. Glad I never thought it or wrote it.

Also glad you aren't trying to put words in my mouth or anything.

[erisred]

As the great Yogi Berra once said, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

Beat me to it!

I would have voted for Other if it had been offered.

Don't trade Rondo, but do trade ( or sit vets like Humphries, Wallace and Bogan), and develop the assets. Look, if the C's make the playoffs with a main lineup of...

Rondo, Pressey
Bradley, Brooks, Crawford
Green, Ditome, Wallace
Olynyk, Ditome (if they get him), Wallace
Sully, Melo (yeah, play him a lot!)

...the world will be shocked and amazed! Notice, no Lee, Bass, Humphries or Bogans. I'd only play them when the others fouled out and only play Wallace enough to try to give him some trade value. The guys in this paragraph would be available for picks, TPEs, expiring contracts, or anything else the team could get for them.

If Danny can turn anything we've got into a "foundation piece" do it. He needs three, between Rondo and Green he might have one.