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Re: 2010 Prokhorov: "Championship 1 year minimum. Maximum 5 years"
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2013, 07:06:39 AM »

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Re: 2010 Prokhorov: "Championship 1 year minimum. Maximum 5 years"
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2013, 07:11:07 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.


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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2013, 07:19:36 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

Still takes some good management though.  The knicks threw alot of money around during the Eddy Curry years
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2013, 07:53:31 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

Still takes some good management though.  The knicks threw alot of money around during the Eddy Curry years

Yeah, but no other GM in the league is as incompetent as Isiah was.

I don't think it takes good management, necessarily.  It just takes management that isn't completely moronic.


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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2013, 07:59:17 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

Still takes some good management though.  The knicks threw alot of money around during the Eddy Curry years

Yeah, but no other GM in the league is as incompetent as Isiah was.

I don't think it takes good management, necessarily.  It just takes management that isn't completely moronic.

Thats probably true.  My only thinking is.  KG and Pierce retire, we have stripped them of their most tradeable assets for the forseable future.  How do they fill in the rest of their team since they won't be under the cap?  Odds are they will try and replace KG and Pierce with MLE players right?
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2013, 07:59:51 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

Still takes some good management though.  The knicks threw alot of money around during the Eddy Curry years

Yeah, but no other GM in the league is as incompetent as Isiah was.

I don't think it takes good management, necessarily.  It just takes management that isn't completely moronic.

Thats probably true.  My only thinking is.  KG and Pierce retire, we have stripped them of their most tradeable assets for the forseable future.  How do they fill in the rest of their team since they won't be under the cap?  Odds are they will try and replace KG and Pierce with MLE players right?

Because even in salary dumps teams usually have to give up something to get a decent player on a bad contract back
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2013, 08:12:17 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

Still takes some good management though.  The knicks threw alot of money around during the Eddy Curry years

Yeah, but no other GM in the league is as incompetent as Isiah was.

I don't think it takes good management, necessarily.  It just takes management that isn't completely moronic.
Orlando had the third highest payroll last year.  Portland was 7th and also didn't make the playoffs.  Dallas, Minnesota, and Cleveland were 13, 14, and 15.  The Lakers 100 million bought them a first round sweep after barely making the playoffs.
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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 08:25:41 AM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

Still takes some good management though.  The knicks threw alot of money around during the Eddy Curry years

Yeah, but no other GM in the league is as incompetent as Isiah was.

I don't think it takes good management, necessarily.  It just takes management that isn't completely moronic.
Orlando had the third highest payroll last year.  Portland was 7th and also didn't make the playoffs.  Dallas, Minnesota, and Cleveland were 13, 14, and 15.  The Lakers 100 million bought them a first round sweep after barely making the playoffs.

Good hopeful statistics.

The Nets will have almost no assets and be up against the cap, so in a couple years I like the chances.  Also that we can swap the 2017 pick.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2013, 09:08:42 AM »

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Before we rush off to anoint them champions, I suggest we consider the 2012 Los Angeles Lakers. Roster on paper isn't everything.

That said, this has got to be the most expensive starting 5 in the history of the game.

Difference is that Gasol has a history of dissapearing in the playoffs, Artest is a head case and Howard has the work ethic and focus of a three year old.

The Nets were already a fairly strong team last year, and the two they just added are most likely the toughest and most battle proven guys on their roster.

Pierce is one of the most clutch scorers of the past decade, while KG's impact on the defensive end (and his killer work ethic) are undebatable.

Also this team will be downright dominant size wise.  Deron is one of the biggest and strongers PG's in the NBA, then you have Johnson (6'8") at SG and pierce (6'7", 235) at SF...probably the biggest perimeter rotation in the NBA.  Then you add KG (7'0") and Lopez (7'1). 

The heat struggled against teams with skilled size, such as the Pacers and Spurs.  This roster will give the Heat absolute fits.  The Heat typically start either Lebron or Battier at PF and neither one of those guys has a hope in hell of defending either KG or Lopez.  BIG difference compared to when it was Evans/Humphries out there as the second big.

Likewise Wade is going to have his hands full trying to defend either Deron, Pierce or Joe Johnson.

Make no mistake, this is going to be one of the most difficult teams in the league to defend.

Also KG and Lopez compliment so well. KG is more an outside shooter while Lopez is more of a post up guy.  Both are capable shot blockers. 

This team will be scary.

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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2013, 09:13:25 AM »

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Before we rush off to anoint them champions, I suggest we consider the 2012 Los Angeles Lakers. Roster on paper isn't everything.

That said, this has got to be the most expensive starting 5 in the history of the game.

Difference is that Gasol has a history of dissapearing in the playoffs, Artest is a head case and Howard has the work ethic and focus of a three year old.

The Nets were already a fairly strong team last year, and the two they just added are most likely the toughest and most battle proven guys on their roster.

Pierce is one of the most clutch scorers of the past decade, while KG's impact on the defensive end (and his killer work ethic) are undebatable.

Also this team will be downright dominant size wise.  Deron is one of the biggest and strongers PG's in the NBA, then you have Johnson (6'8") at SG and pierce (6'7", 235) at SF...probably the biggest perimeter rotation in the NBA.  Then you add KG (7'0") and Lopez (7'1). 

The heat struggled against teams with skilled size, such as the Pacers and Spurs.  This roster will give the Heat absolute fits.  The Heat typically start either Lebron or Battier at PF and neither one of those guys has a hope in hell of defending either KG or Lopez.  BIG difference compared to when it was Evans/Humphries out there as the second big.

Likewise Wade is going to have his hands full trying to defend either Deron, Pierce or Joe Johnson.

Make no mistake, this is going to be one of the most difficult teams in the league to defend.

Also KG and Lopez compliment so well. KG is more an outside shooter while Lopez is more of a post up guy.  Both are capable shot blockers. 

This team will be scary.

All true, but it hinges heavily on the health of their starting 5 (especially if Blatche goes elsewhere, since they've ditched all their bigs).
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2013, 01:02:49 PM »

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Prokhorov is one reason I'm not optimistic that those 2016 and 2018 picks will land in the lottery.  He'll spend the money to at least keep his team in the playoffs, most likely.

He's not going to be able to throw around money in free agency and they're out of tradeable draft picks.

I estimate there's at least a 20-25% chance that within the next five years, the Nets front office will do something worse than trading for Gerald Wallace and signing him to that contract.

I'd be more worried that he's going to be able to build a pipeline to bring in the best Eastern European players.
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Yeah health and the new CBA should net us at least one lottery pick, hopefully two.  That CBA is too much even for a billionaire, this is great

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Prokhorov is making a major new owner mistake - he's forgetting that even though money is basically no object to him, it is very much an object under the CBA. 

The team is quickly painting itself into a financial corner, and after peaking in the next year or two it's going to be very hard to restructure and stay competitive.  Remember that JJ is making a ton of money and also fading fast.

The only real outlet they'll have to bring in fresh talent is signing undrafted foreign guys and maybe trading away deals as they expire.  Hopefully it'll break our way, and sooner than later.

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Prokhorov is making a major new owner mistake - he's forgetting that even though money is basically no object to him, it is very much an object under the CBA. 

The team is quickly painting itself into a financial corner, and after peaking in the next year or two it's going to be very hard to restructure and stay competitive.  Remember that JJ is making a ton of money and also fading fast.

The only real outlet they'll have to bring in fresh talent is signing undrafted foreign guys and maybe trading away deals as they expire.  Hopefully it'll break our way, and sooner than later.

Yeah but.. they are going to beat the Celtics by 20+
ppg for the forseeable future. so, is that enjoyable ?

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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2013, 01:46:49 PM »

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Prokhorov is making a major new owner mistake - he's forgetting that even though money is basically no object to him, it is very much an object under the CBA. 

The team is quickly painting itself into a financial corner, and after peaking in the next year or two it's going to be very hard to restructure and stay competitive.  Remember that JJ is making a ton of money and also fading fast.

The only real outlet they'll have to bring in fresh talent is signing undrafted foreign guys and maybe trading away deals as they expire.  Hopefully it'll break our way, and sooner than later.
they will have a lot of expiring deals of varying sizes and years to make moves.  Not sure that will be enough, but it certainly can help them get new players.
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