C's trying to s+t for Josh Smith

[cltc5]

man i get so sick and tired of everytime this organization goes after a player or talks about bringing someone in they cut them off at the knees.  Bradley, Sullinger, Green all turned out pretty decent and half this site was goin crazy about how much they disliked these players.  My god, danny tries to give us some big time players and all some of you can do is sita round and belly ache about how mediocre we'll be.  We;re gettin younger and more talent, how can people not be excited.

What's exciting about tying up 25% of our salary cap in a flawed player with a bad attitude?

The guy has talent, and can immediately help us in areas we've needed for a few years, and for all we know a change in environment may do him good.  Bu no no, we're the celtics and we can't bring in flawed players or guys with bad attitudes   Please!  If i had a dime for the clamoring to have signed Kenyon martin on here during the playoffs, I could pay off the luxury tax.    The guy wants to play here, wants to play with Rondo and at the worst we ship him out in two years or we can just stick with pierce and get the same to less production for the sake of nostalgia...because yes that's money well spent   I say the opportunity is there, let's give it a chance.

[Galeto]

I don't excuse Smith's inefficient offense on his teammates.  It hasn't hurt Horford any because not only can Horford actually shoot well from mid-range, he limits his shots to what he can make, in the post and not from three.  Smith is just a bad shooter who has too much confidence in his outside shot.  It's one of the most ridiculous things I've seen.  I've never seen another player have more undented confidence in his game besides Brandon Bass and his dribbling. 

Smith is a bad free throw shooter, bad mid-range shooter and bad three point shooter who is actually very good in the post but of course he doesn't go into the post that much. 

Smith does so many other good things that overall, he comes out as a positive player but I wouldn't trust him in any series against a smart, tough team in the playoffs. 

Smith is like Antoine with elite athleticism and defensive abilities.

[gpap]

Yeah I don't understand the gripe some have with Josh Smith being "flawed" and having a "bad attitude."

I mean you can probably say that about every player in the NBA.

You can definitely say that about Rondo, yet he seems to be worshipped by Celtics fans.

Also, Smith is a HUGE upgrade in talent at the 4 over Bass and Sullinger.

I guess some will just never be happy, regardless.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

So if this happens, can we unload Bass somehow?

[D Dub]

If we have to keep KG, then we aren't rebuilding this year. 

[blink]

I think if we are able to get Josh Smith for 12-14 mil then it makes sense.  But we can't give him a max contract when we are rebuilding, it just doesn't make sense.  But is he worth 12-14 mil?  I would say so. 

Big difference between 13 mil and 17.25 mil or whatever the max is on him.  If he really wants to be here then maybe we don't have to pay him max money.

[gpap]

So if this happens, can we unload Bass somehow?

I sure hope so

[manl_lui]

I don't excuse Smith's inefficient offense on his teammates.  It hasn't hurt Horford any because not only can Horford actually shoot well from mid-range, he limits his shots to what he can make, in the post and not from three.  Smith is just a bad shooter who has too much confidence in his outside shot.  It's one of the most ridiculous things I've seen.  I've never seen another player have more undented confidence in his game besides Brandon Bass and his dribbling. 

Smith is a bad free throw shooter, bad mid-range shooter and bad three point shooter who is actually very good in the post but of course he doesn't go into the post that much. 

Smith does so many other good things that overall, he comes out as a positive player but I wouldn't trust him in any series against a smart, tough team in the playoffs. 

Smith is like Antoine with elite athleticism and defensive abilities.

I welcome Smith to the Celtics if that happens, but if Antoine Walker becomes our coach, he will so encourage Josh Smith to take more threes like he did

[Jon]

If the Celtics can get a nucleus of Rondo, Smith, and Green going forward, somehow hold onto Bradley and Sully, and perhaps end up with net of a first round pick or two with the departure of Pierce and Garnett, I think they are in a pretty good place going forward. 

Is that enough to win a title in a year or two?  Probably not, unless there's significant development.  But it's pretty darn solid playoff team that has some pieces to make improvements.  And at this point, unless your plan is to tank until we hit the next LeBron (see how well that worked out for us in the bulk of the '90s and 2000s), I don't see much of a better alternative. 

[Galeto]

no one has realistically answered my question about why Paul is worth 15.3 mil and Josh Smith isn't worth 15 mil.

I much rather have Pierce for 1 year at 15 million and then start a full rebuild than Smith for something like 4/60 and being a team in the middle area with no chance of contending.

[manl_lui]

If the Celtics can get a nucleus of Rondo, Smith, and Green going forward, somehow hold onto Bradley and Sully, and perhaps end up with net of a first round pick or two with the departure of Pierce and Garnett, I think they are in a pretty good place going forward. 

Is that enough to win a title in a year or two?  Probably not, unless there's significant development.  But it's pretty darn solid playoff team that has some pieces to make improvements.  And at this point, unless your plan is to tank until we hit the next LeBron (see how well that worked out for us in the bulk of the '90s and 2000s), I don't see much of a better alternative.

yea, just look at the past two seasons - NOH and Cleveland got the 1st pick when they were not the worst records in the NBA (I believe the bobcats were two straight seasons, but I could be wrong)

The last time we tanked we got the #4 pick...I wouldn't try to do it

[wahz]

I don't understand the fascination with Josh Smith.

DeAndre Jordan
Josh Smith
Jeff Green
Avery Bradley
Rajon Rondo

That team's spacing and FT% makes me cringe.

who said anything about DAJ?
What if getting Smith get's KG to stay?

KG and JG have find FT% shooting. I recall Rondo's being in the 70s last year? And is AB's bad?

I think we still look for another SG, though.

Danny is rebuilding.  I'm pretty skeptical that he dumps Doc and Pierce only to keep KG.

Stern already said a KG for Jordan trade is not happening....

I think the deal is that the trade can't be THIS SUMMER. Wasn't that what the NBA said?

But as far as Smith, yeah I think the fascination goes back to his defense and what it would be like next to KG. Without KG, its not so fascinating

[Cman]

If we have to keep KG, then we aren't rebuilding this year.

True, but we are retaining a trade asset that could be used at the trade deadline. Or S&T when his contract expires ( unless we bring him back).

[Galeto]

If the Celtics can get a nucleus of Rondo, Smith, and Green going forward, somehow hold onto Bradley and Sully, and perhaps end up with net of a first round pick or two with the departure of Pierce and Garnett, I think they are in a pretty good place going forward. 

Is that enough to win a title in a year or two?  Probably not, unless there's significant development.  But it's pretty darn solid playoff team that has some pieces to make improvements.  And at this point, unless your plan is to tank until we hit the next LeBron (see how well that worked out for us in the bulk of the '90s and 2000s), I don't see much of a better alternative.

Probably not enough to win a championship in a year or two? Absolutely not.  They wouldn't even be close to being championship caliber. 

This is the thing.  That team might be good enough for a 4/5 seed, maybe, and maybe good enough to win a playoff series or two depending on matchups but that's it.  At the end of four or five seasons and a bunch of a first round picks selected no earlier than the mid-first round, the team would have to rebuild.

The Celtics have never engaged in a complete, full long rebuild.  They tanked for Duncan, got unlucky and then traded away Billups during his rookie year.  They were impatient. They were also impatient with Joe Johnson.  During the 2000s before the KG trade, they made the playoffs most years and the earliest they selected a player was at number 13.  They had the 7th pick but traded that away.  You can't look back at that era and say it was a failed plan of rebuilding, of high draft picks who busted.  That's been the Timberwolves after KG.  The Celtics were never too horrible and never patient enough to fully rebuild. 

[nickagneta]

Couple of things that seem to be being throwing around here:

San Antonio does not have $18 million in cap space. They could create that much space but to do so would have to renounce just about everyone who is free like Manu, Blair, Neal, Mills and Tiago and would have to give up their draft pick in the first round.

When trading a player for a trade exception you are only allowed to have that player be $100,000 over the value of the exception. So if we are trading a $15.3 million exception(acquired from Cleveland in a trade for Pierce)to Atlanta for Josh Smith, Smith's first year of his contract can be no higher than $15.4 million, which means he's not getting a max contract.

Atlanta does not want any salary coming back as they are in the midst of a massive rebuild. They will want picks.