Opinion: Celtics did not get a first for Doc, but rather...

[Ogaju]

the Celtics got a first for CP3.

It is clear from the negotiations that the Clippers did not think Doc was worth a pick at all. They only sent that first to keep CP3.

CP3 will not run free in Clipper land like Rondo did in Boston under Doc. CP3 will find out that is not necessarily a good thing.

[esel1000]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

[crownsy]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

Yea the problem is the Clippers will likely be good in 2 years, so this is like a high 2nd rounder, I.e not really a first rounder. Not many quality guys come out of the 25-30 pick in the draft.

Still, better than nothing i suppose.

[BleedGreen1989]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

Yea the problem is the Clippers will likely be good in 2 years, so this is like a high 2nd rounder, I.e not really a first rounder. Not many quality guys come out of the 25-30 pick in the draft.

Still, better than nothing i suppose.

Not sure I agree. If KG goes, he will be nearly 40. So they will have Paul, Griffin, 40 year old KG, and maybe Aaron Afflalo?

They wont be awful but I don't see them being a top 5 team.

[crownsy]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

Yea the problem is the Clippers will likely be good in 2 years, so this is like a high 2nd rounder, I.e not really a first rounder. Not many quality guys come out of the 25-30 pick in the draft.

Still, better than nothing i suppose.

Not sure I agree. If KG goes, he will be nearly 40. So they will have Paul, Griffin, 40 year old KG, and maybe Aaron Afflalo?

They wont be awful but I don't see them being a top 5 team.

you don't think Griffen, paul, KG (if the other shoe drops) and Deandre Jordan is a pretty solid core to build around for the next few years?

They finished 56-26 this year man. It's always possible that Sterling fires up the idiot machine, fails on signing Paul, and trades Jordan for a sack of potatoes, but i think there going to be pretty good 2 season from now, as long as they don't somehow lose Griffin and Paul. guys want to play in LA, they can attract talent to play in lob city. 

[MaxAMillion]

the Celtics got a first for CP3.

It is clear from the negotiations that the Clippers did not think Doc was worth a pick at all. They only sent that first to keep CP3.

CP3 will not run free in Clipper land like Rondo did in Boston under Doc. CP3 will find out that is not necessarily a good thing.

Actually nothing is clear. Negotiations are often done between two parties both trying to get the best deal possible. The Clips may have felt that playing hard ball with the C's would result in not having to give a first round pick.

I also think the Clips will be just fine next year (especially if they add KG). The players like and respond to Doc. KG wants to be where Doc is the coach. This idea that the Clips are going downhill in two years seems far fetched to me.

[Geo123]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

Yea the problem is the Clippers will likely be good in 2 years, so this is like a high 2nd rounder, I.e not really a first rounder. Not many quality guys come out of the 25-30 pick in the draft.

Still, better than nothing i suppose.

Not sure I agree. If KG goes, he will be nearly 40. So they will have Paul, Griffin, 40 year old KG, and maybe Aaron Afflalo?

They wont be awful but I don't see them being a top 5 team.

you don't think Griffen, paul, KG (if the other shoe drops) and Deandre Jordan is a pretty solid core to build around for the next few years?

They finished 56-26 this year man. It's always possible that Sterling fires up the idiot machine, fails on signing Paul, and trades Jordan for a sack of potatoes, but i think there going to be pretty good 2 season from now, as long as they don't somehow lose Griffin and Paul. guys want to play in LA, they can attract talent to play in lob city.

You do realize that they won't get KG without sending us Jordan so how can include both Jordan and KG on the Clippers?

[Neurotic Guy]

the Celtics got a first for CP3.

It is clear from the negotiations that the Clippers did not think Doc was worth a pick at all. They only sent that first to keep CP3.

CP3 will not run free in Clipper land like Rondo did in Boston under Doc. CP3 will find out that is not necessarily a good thing.

Actually nothing is clear. Negotiations are often done between two parties both trying to get the best deal possible. The Clips may have felt that playing hard ball with the C's would result in not having to give a first round pick.

I also think the Clips will be just fine next year (especially if they add KG). The players like and respond to Doc. KG wants to be where Doc is the coach. This idea that the Clips are going downhill in two years seems far fetched to me.

I agree with this.  OP has an opinion stated definitively.  What is clear to you is not clear to me.  I'd need a lot more evidence than the hearsay we've had for the past 2 weeks for that to be clear.

[BleedGreen1989]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

Yea the problem is the Clippers will likely be good in 2 years, so this is like a high 2nd rounder, I.e not really a first rounder. Not many quality guys come out of the 25-30 pick in the draft.

Still, better than nothing i suppose.

Not sure I agree. If KG goes, he will be nearly 40. So they will have Paul, Griffin, 40 year old KG, and maybe Aaron Afflalo?

They wont be awful but I don't see them being a top 5 team.

you don't think Griffen, paul, KG (if the other shoe drops) and Deandre Jordan is a pretty solid core to build around for the next few years?

They finished 56-26 this year man. It's always possible that Sterling fires up the idiot machine, fails on signing Paul, and trades Jordan for a sack of potatoes, but i think there going to be pretty good 2 season from now, as long as they don't somehow lose Griffin and Paul. guys want to play in LA, they can attract talent to play in lob city.

You do realize that they won't get KG without sending us Jordan so how can include both Jordan and KG on the Clippers?

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[Chief Macho]

who cares.  what't the difference really.

[crownsy]

Docs worth a first. The Clippers are cheap so yes his influence got us a first round pick. But in the scheme of things I'd say a future first is fairly cheap for a coach with the reputation of Doc. Anything less is a joke, glad DA was laughing

Yea the problem is the Clippers will likely be good in 2 years, so this is like a high 2nd rounder, I.e not really a first rounder. Not many quality guys come out of the 25-30 pick in the draft.

Still, better than nothing i suppose.

Not sure I agree. If KG goes, he will be nearly 40. So they will have Paul, Griffin, 40 year old KG, and maybe Aaron Afflalo?

They wont be awful but I don't see them being a top 5 team.

you don't think Griffen, paul, KG (if the other shoe drops) and Deandre Jordan is a pretty solid core to build around for the next few years?

They finished 56-26 this year man. It's always possible that Sterling fires up the idiot machine, fails on signing Paul, and trades Jordan for a sack of potatoes, but i think there going to be pretty good 2 season from now, as long as they don't somehow lose Griffin and Paul. guys want to play in LA, they can attract talent to play in lob city.

You do realize that they won't get KG without sending us Jordan so how can include both Jordan and KG on the Clippers?

You do realize that either way, they will be pretty good right? And also that they will have cap space and also be in LA, not a huge stretch that they will be able to fill out the roster around either potential group.

 I just find it hard to believe that in two years, they will have so magically fallen off the upward swing that they are on these last few years that this pick somehow becomes less than in the mid to late 20's, barring, as I said, screwing up and losing Paul or a major injury in 2015. 

 and also, I'm not so sure that we're married to KG for Jordan. Danny wants bledsoe, who they value higher than Jordan. who's to say he won't up the package now that it's just KG for a player, if they even go that route?

Again, it's better than nothing, but the posters acting like Danny got such incredible value by trading a coach for a first round draft pick are discounting what that pick will likely be. In the NBA, more than any other league, "First round draft pick" means nothing. is it a top 5? lottery? top 15? those are the money picks.

I always think of the NBA draft as essentially 4 rounds, in a good year. You have 1-10 ( Actual first round) 11-20ish (2nd round) mid 20's to end (third round) day two (total crap shoot.)

[Celtics4ever]

With Paul's health and Kevin's age they could stink it up in a hurry.

[crownsy]

With Paul's health and Kevin's age they could stink it up in a hurry.

We'll see, would love for you to be right and the pick to turn out to be valuable.

Something I haven't heard yet, is this full rights or is it somehow protected?

[Who]

It'll be interesting to see the differences between how Doc coaches CP3 and Rondo.

[Boris Badenov]

the Celtics got a first for CP3.

It is clear from the negotiations that the Clippers did not think Doc was worth a pick at all. They only sent that first to keep CP3.

CP3 will not run free in Clipper land like Rondo did in Boston under Doc. CP3 will find out that is not necessarily a good thing.

Semantics tailored to an anti-Doc world view, IMO.

Even if one believes the unproven assertion that CP3 was the driving force here, then all that proves is that one of the best players in the league really, really, wants to play for Doc. That would represent quite an endorsement.

And bottom line, like someone else above said, the Celts still got the pick in exchange for Doc. Danny probably doesn't care one bit who was behind the decision.