Clippers Not Closing Door on Rivers Deal?

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Clippers Not Closing Door on Rivers Deal?

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In Clippers eyes, they’re “not closing door on getting deal done” for Doc Rivers. Talks ended Friday, but are expected to resume, sources

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[CELTICSNUM1]

I still believe Doc will end up with the Clippers. JMHO

[chambers]

Danny will probably fold eventually and give up Doc and KG for Jordan and a first, perhaps they'll give us their 2015 second rounder or something.
It's all negotiation tactics at this point. Celtics are 'walking away from talks' yet it's obvious from leaks that they're still in contact.

This is going to go on for a while until at least draft night.

Doc and KG will probably be Clippers within a week.

[crimson_stallion]

Just end it for goodness sake.  The Clippers' management are arrogant and selfish morons, let Chris Paul leave them and let them fall back down into the eternal darkenss of the lottery.

Then let KG and Doc lead us to one more playoff berth so that we can rub it in LA's face just once.

After that If we have to become lottery dwellers so be it.

[Celtics4ever]

Then let KG and Doc lead us to one more playoff berth so that we can rub it in LA's face just once.

After that If we have to become lottery dwellers so be it.

Danny is going to find some deal.

Danny Ainge does not want to see another decline in the franchise like the one that happened after the Boston Celtics' original Big Three dried up, and he's willing to break up his current star trio to ensure that.

Ainge saw the Celtics pass up deals when Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish were aging, and the result was a steady deterioration that saw Boston not make the playoffs or advance beyond the first round from the 1992-93 to 2000-01 seasons.

"First of all, it's a different era," Ainge told The Globe. "I sat with Red (Auerbach) during a Christmas party (in the 1990s). Red was talking to Larry, Kevin, and myself and there was a lot of trade discussion at the time, and Red actually shared some of the trade discussions. And I told Red, what are you doing? Why are you waiting?

"He had a chance to trade Larry (to Indiana) for Chuck Person and Herb Williams and (Steve) Stipanovich and he had a chance to trade Kevin (to Dallas) for Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins. I was like, 'Are you kidding?' I mean, I feel that way now. If I were presented with those kind of deals for our aging veterans, it's a done deal to continue the success."

"We've all known that there's a window for this group," Ainge said on WEEI. "We're constantly evaluating that. But I don't have anything on the books. I don't have anything imminent. There's nothing out there that I am actively doing. "I'm being patient with this group of guys. They believe they're much better than they're playing right now. Doc (Rivers) believes they're much better than they're playing right now. I believe that too."

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7478868/report-danny-ainge-willing-break-boston-celtics-big-three

Dream on if you think, they stay and run it back.  The only way it happens is if the league says no.  Which has happened once but I doubt they let up on it.

[SHAQATTACK]

most likely Clips have verbal agreement from CP3 to stay if Scott  or Shaw coaches,   but they are still hoping for Doc.   hard to see CP3 leave that much money behind and walk off the Clippers.

Think this situation backfired on Doc somewhat and tarnished his image .  Probably both teams would be better to move on from Doc Rivers.   His motives seem totally self serving and not of someone who can be trusted.

Until clippers hire coach , the possibility remains,  I think they are trying o wear down DA and hope he' just say screw it and release Doc anyway from the contract ,  which  I doubt will happen .

they are stubborn though,  if they truly needed Doc to stay to keep CP3 ,  they would have capitulated long ago.    They obviously think he'll stay with one of the other coaches.

you would think they would just hire the one they want and go on down the road.

not done soon , everyday goes by less chance happening

[jambr380]

I'm pretty sure they are just showing the league that the deal was really all about Garnett and not Doc. If they can demonstrate this [and they seem to be], then maybe the league will allow Garnett for Jordan and a 1st.

I know I know, it's pretty far fetched and a lot to go through, but who really cares at this point...I also don't think Doc's reputation has taken any kind of hit outside of Boston, where I still believe he could coach if he wanted to.

[clover]

I'm pretty sure they are just showing the league that the deal was really all about Garnett and not Doc. If they can demonstrate this [and they seem to be], then maybe the league will allow Garnett for Jordan and a 1st.

I know I know, it's pretty far fetched and a lot to go through, but who really cares at this point...I also don't think Doc's reputation has taken any kind of hit outside of Boston, where I still believe he could coach if he wanted to.

The League doesn't care how much or how little the C's get for KG--just that the two deals aren't linked.

[Banner18now!]

Ainge keeps saying the Celts fell off because Red held on to aging stars that's partly true but he keeps leaving out the fact that they also had back to back first round picks die.

Bias and Lewis would have been two players to build around in the 90's and could have made for some interesting teams.

[hwangjini_1]

most likely Clips have verbal agreement from CP3 to stay if Scott  or Shaw coaches,   but they are still hoping for Doc.   hard to see CP3 leave that much money behind and walk off the Clippers.

Think this situation backfired on Doc somewhat and tarnished his image .  Probably both teams would be better to move on from Doc Rivers.   His motives seem totally self serving and not of someone who can be trusted.

Until clippers hire coach , the possibility remains,  I think they are trying o wear down DA and hope he' just say screw it and release Doc anyway from the contract ,  which  I doubt will happen .

they are stubborn though,  if they truly needed Doc to stay to keep CP3 ,  they would have capitulated long ago.    They obviously think he'll stay with one of the other coaches.

you would think they would just hire the one they want and go on down the road.

not done soon , everyday goes by less chance happening

i would normally agree with the bolded thought above. however, this is sterling and the clips we are talking about. for sterling, he very much loves that first rounders are essentially cheap labor for 5 years.

also, if the choice is paying a lot of salary to provide support for chris paul, or, letting chris paul walk, history says sterling will bid farewell to chris paul.

i believe the short-term reason sterling may have wanted doc and kg (and pierce?) is because they would provide a brief window for a championship - 1 to 2 years. he may think 1 or 2 appearances in the nba finals is enough success to please the crowd base.

i believe sterling's long-term plan is to make money by spending as little as he can to create a team that manages to put enough butts in seats so as to make as much as he can. a delicate balance, but one sterling has managed to do.

as stated in an article:
"...Donald (sterling), who has owned the Clippers since 1981. As one of the NBA's longest-tenured owners, the elder Sterling has made the Clippers a financial success by moving the team to Los Angeles (from San Diego) and being notoriously frugal with his money."

on another note, i think these negotiations feature ineptitude on both sides and smack of bad-faith bargaining on the clips' side. no matter the outcome, they will leave a bad taste for a while.

[Celtics4ever]

Bias and Lewis would have been two players to build around in the 90's and could have made for some interesting teams.

Len died in 86.   Reggie in 93.  That is seven years between them.   Bird was gone in 92.  McHale left in 93. The Chief left Boston in 94 but played til 97.   Sure these deaths hurt us and the team.   But there was a slow bleed out of the old guys.  Bird went out with good stats.  McHale was hurt but his last year was not good either.  The Chief was not good when he left.  When I say not that good I mean under 7 RPG and 10PPG.   That would be ok in today's NBA.   I realize Kevin was playing on a broken foot.

[Banner18now!]

Bias and Lewis would have been two players to build around in the 90's and could have made for some interesting teams.

Len died in 86.   Reggie in 93.  That is seven years between them.   Bird was gone in 92.  McHale left in 93. The Chief left Boston in 94 but played til 97.   Sure these deaths hurt us and the team.   But there was a slow bleed out of the old guys.  Bird went out with good stats.  McHale was hurt but his last year was not good either.  The Chief was not good when he left.  When I say not that good I mean under 7 RPG and 10PPG.   That would be ok in today's NBA.   I realize Kevin was playing on a broken foot.

I said both had something to do with those terrible 90's teams. I was also referring to Bias being drafted in 86 and Lewis 87 not the time of their actual deaths.

[j804]

So nothing new on the trade with the Clippers?? Is tomorrow really the day Doc finally says he's staying with the C's?

[CT32]

most likely Clips have verbal agreement from CP3 to stay if Scott  or Shaw coaches,   but they are still hoping for Doc.   hard to see CP3 leave that much money behind and walk off the Clippers.

Think this situation backfired on Doc somewhat and tarnished his image .  Probably both teams would be better to move on from Doc Rivers.   His motives seem totally self serving and not of someone who can be trusted.

Until clippers hire coach , the possibility remains,  I think they are trying o wear down DA and hope he' just say screw it and release Doc anyway from the contract ,  which  I doubt will happen .

they are stubborn though,  if they truly needed Doc to stay to keep CP3 ,  they would have capitulated long ago.    They obviously think he'll stay with one of the other coaches.

you would think they would just hire the one they want and go on down the road.

not done soon , everyday goes by less chance happening

beautifully said

[Celtics4ever]

I said both had something to do with those terrible 90's teams. I was also referring to Bias being drafted in 86 and Lewis 87 not the time of their actual deaths.

Yes, but we let these guys get old well beyond their prime.   Larry would not have played past 88 if Bias had panned out.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2012/2/8/2783796/larry-bird-remembers-the-good-ol-days