Boston/Cleveland/Dallas trade idea involving Marion and Pierce

[LooseCannon]

There's a rumor of talks involving Pierce to Cleveland for two second-round picks.  There's also a rumor of talks about Cleveland taking back Shawn Marion's contract, so they can move up to #13, where sources say they are interested in taking Sergey Karasev.

So, what about this idea, assuming Doc and KG are back.  It would have to wait until July to be official, so the teams would be drafting players for other teams, then waiting for the July Moratorium to pass.

Cavs get: Paul Pierce, #13
Mavs get: #31, #33, neither of which have cap holds, plus a trade exception they would renounce if they signed free agents
Celtics get: Shawn Marion, #19, a trade exception of approximately $6m, which they might not use to stay under the apron and eligible to do a sign-and-trade and use the full MLE

The Celtics get to firmly ensconce Jeff Green at the 3 and Shawn Marion as a combo forward off the bench who is a better rebounder than Green (9.4 rebounds per 36 minutes played, the same as Garnett) and is better suited to being a non-Garnett smallball five than Bass or Sullinger.  I'd expect Marion to play in the crunch-time line-up over Sullinger or Bass.

The Celtics use a trade (sign-and-trade or not) or the MLE to bring in a center, with options including Samuel Dalembert (MLE or S&T) or Spencer Hawes (trade).

I haven't crunched the numbers, but that may leave the BAE to get a veteran point guard who can start if Rondo is out at the beginning of the season, then move to a back-up role.  If not, there are probably minimum-salary options out there, including dipping into the D-League talent pool.

Perhaps the Celtics would take back Alonzo Gee, who some people around here like.  Perhaps, the Celtics would have to the Cavs #19 or #16 so Cleveland doesn't just trade two early seconds for Marion.

How does a team of:
Garnett, Dalembert, Melo
Sullinger, Bass
Green, Marion, Gee
Bradley, Lee, Terry
Rondo, Earl Watson?, Crawford

plus the first-round pick as best player available

The team can go big with Dalembert, Garnett, Green, Marion, Rondo or go small with Garnett, Marion, Green, Bradley/Lee/Terry, Rondo.

[D.o.s.]

Personally, I really don't like the idea of trading Pierce if we're hanging on to Doc and KG.

[gpap]

I like the idea of getting Marion, a TE and a pick alot more than just two 2nd round picks and a HUGE TE which we may not even get to use this year.

[Kane3387]

This is a trade I could see all parties looking into doing.

Rare to see.

TP.

[connor]

I like the idea of getting Marion, a TE and a pick alot more than just two 2nd round picks and a HUGE TE which we may not even get to use this year.

You shouldn't focus so much on the short term. We're rebuilding you have to think long term. No we may not be able to use the trade exception this year or even next year, but eventually it wil come in handy when we want to pry a disgruntled star from their team (2015? Kevin Love? Aldridge? Gasol?)

We are going to suck most likely next year.

[PhoSita]

5th seed at best.  Might have a decent first round series with the Nets.

[LooseCannon]

No we may not be able to use the trade exception this year or even next year, but eventually it wil come in handy when we want to pry a disgruntled star from their team (2015? Kevin Love? Aldridge? Gasol?)

Trade exceptions expire within a year.

[connor]

No we may not be able to use the trade exception this year or even next year, but eventually it wil come in handy when we want to pry a disgruntled star from their team (2015? Kevin Love? Aldridge? Gasol?)

Trade exceptions expire within a year.

Forgot about that, but the premise is the same and works for the same players (well mostly just Love because he wants out so bad). I still think its worth it. I don't think aiming for anyone who can contribute next year should be the priority because I can't see us actually competing for a championship.

[erisred]

There seems to be a big disconnect in the board's thinking. Some, basically, want to run the same team out there next year. Some are willing to contemplate Pierce being gone, but expect to get return on him making us a playoff team next year, and into the future. Then there are those that want to move KG and PP and Terry and more and go deep lotto.

Different agendas require different approaches. What is a bad move in one might be a good one in another. As long as we don't know which direction the C's are going we're going to be talking at cross-purposes.

[LooseCannon]

No we may not be able to use the trade exception this year or even next year, but eventually it wil come in handy when we want to pry a disgruntled star from their team (2015? Kevin Love? Aldridge? Gasol?)

Trade exceptions expire within a year.

Forgot about that, but the premise is the same and works for the same players (well mostly just Love because he wants out so bad). I still think its worth it. I don't think aiming for anyone who can contribute next year should be the priority because I can't see us actually competing for a championship.

I think it will be easier to make a deal for one of those disgruntled stars if you can offer them the chance to join a playoff team where they are the difference making that turns it into a contender. 

I also think you can't take back salary over the trade exception.  There's no 125% or $100,000 wiggle room.  The three players you mentioned would make more than the trade exception that would be generated by trading Pierce.  Less than half a million more if you traded for them in the summer of 2014, but you can't combine trade exceptions with other salary or exceptions.

[connor]

No we may not be able to use the trade exception this year or even next year, but eventually it wil come in handy when we want to pry a disgruntled star from their team (2015? Kevin Love? Aldridge? Gasol?)

Trade exceptions expire within a year.

Forgot about that, but the premise is the same and works for the same players (well mostly just Love because he wants out so bad). I still think its worth it. I don't think aiming for anyone who can contribute next year should be the priority because I can't see us actually competing for a championship.

I think it will be easier to make a deal for one of those disgruntled stars if you can offer them the chance to join a playoff team where they are the difference making that turns it into a contender. 

I also think you can't take back salary over the trade exception.  There's no 125% or $100,000 wiggle room.  The three players you mentioned would make more than the trade exception that would be generated by trading Pierce.  Less than half a million more if you traded for them in the summer of 2014, but you can't combine trade exceptions with other salary or exceptions.

I'll defer to you on this one because I don't know the ins and outs of the TE rules, but don't all three make in the 13m range? And Pierce is a 15-16m? I don't see why that won't work.

I get the point about wanting to join a playoff team, but KG probably retires anyway so we wouldn't be a playoff team one piece away. IMO we are better off starting the rebuild and trying to attract those guys to a young team heading in the right direction