KG vs DeAndre Jordan

[rutzan]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.  KG is better than Jordan now...KG will be better than Jordan in 1 year...KG will be better than Jordan in 2 years...this is just from a basketball standpoint...then...you factor in passion, intensity and leadership...then...you factor in that means we'll probably lose the Capt, one of the greatest Celtics of all-time...then...you factor in that late 1st round picks are a sideways move at best...and...don't tell me they are assets...you have a better chance playing roulette...for once...i'm rooting for stern...all the wink/winks and commingling are clearly against the cba...i hope stern's bias against the celtics comes into play and he does the right thing...did anyone read what John Farrell said about team chemistry...well...we'll find out the hard way when we rip out the heart and soul of this team...and...don't tell me that it will rondo's team then...that's a bunch of hogwash...we'll be a team of complementary players...if this trade goes thru...then...we are getting completely ripped off...

[Rondo2287]

What if KG retires after this season, He will probably still be the better player but only one is likely to be playing in the NBA.  Doesn't Jordan then become the best player in the deal?

[PhoSita]

For what it's worth, Deandre Jordan had 6.2 win shares last season, while KG only had 5.9.

[rutzan]

that's a big hypothetical...jordan is overpaid, one-dimensional, has already reached his upside, his offensive game consists solely of dunks, can't shoot free-throws...think mark blount...how did that work out for us...just because someone is playing does not mean they are an asset...the clippers and fans in LA are drooling about shipping jordan out of LA and can't wait for it to happen...where's all the uproar from LA about losing Jordan...there is none...what does that tell you...

[MBunge]

Right now, the only thing that DeAndre is better at than KG is having the physical size and strength to bang down low and maybe be able to play more minutes.  Defensively and offensively, however, 37 year old KG is clearly better than 24 year old DeAndre Jordan. 

28 year old DeAndre Jordan, even if he doesn't improve at all from now, will be substantially better and tremendously more valuable than 41 year old KG.

That's the deal.

Mike

[LooseCannon]

that's a big hypothetical...jordan is overpaid, one-dimensional, has already reached his upside, his offensive game consists solely of dunks, can't shoot free-throws...think mark blount

Mark Blount, the guy who shot 72.3% lifetime on free throws?

[clover]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.  KG is better than Jordan now...KG will be better than Jordan in 1 year...KG will be better than Jordan in 2 years...this is just from a basketball standpoint...then...you factor in passion, intensity and leadership...then...you factor in that means we'll probably lose the Capt, one of the greatest Celtics of all-time...then...you factor in that late 1st round picks are a sideways move at best...and...don't tell me they are assets...you have a better chance playing roulette...for once...i'm rooting for stern...all the wink/winks and commingling are clearly against the cba...i hope stern's bias against the celtics comes into play and he does the right thing...did anyone read what John Farrell said about team chemistry...well...we'll find out the hard way when we rip out the heart and soul of this team...and...don't tell me that it will rondo's team then...that's a bunch of hogwash...we'll be a team of complementary players...if this trade goes thru...then...we are getting completely ripped off...

That'd be the case for a contending team--but the C's aren't contending, they're starting a rebuild.  So the top priorities next year are not to win because you're playing players without a chance to matter in the next run and to build young assets as much as possible.

Having and playing DAJ beats KG in this circumstance on both counts, even though DAJ will never be half the player KG has been.

Also, you can't assume that KG would have played in a rebuilding situation rather than simply retiring.

[rutzan]

you're talking 4 years from now...kg and jordan's contract are for 2 years each...kg is better than my 9 year old son...but...in 15 years my son will be than kg because kg will be 52...where do you draw the line..2 years...and...i'll tell you why...that's the length of their contracts...

[moiso]

that's a big hypothetical...jordan is overpaid, one-dimensional, has already reached his upside, his offensive game consists solely of dunks, can't shoot free-throws...think mark blount

Mark Blount, the guy who shot 72.3% lifetime on free throws?

And hit foul line jumpers with regularity.

[rutzan]

The cardinal rule of trading is that the team that gets the best player got the better of the deal.  KG is better than Jordan now...KG will be better than Jordan in 1 year...KG will be better than Jordan in 2 years...this is just from a basketball standpoint...then...you factor in passion, intensity and leadership...then...you factor in that means we'll probably lose the Capt, one of the greatest Celtics of all-time...then...you factor in that late 1st round picks are a sideways move at best...and...don't tell me they are assets...you have a better chance playing roulette...for once...i'm rooting for stern...all the wink/winks and commingling are clearly against the cba...i hope stern's bias against the celtics comes into play and he does the right thing...did anyone read what John Farrell said about team chemistry...well...we'll find out the hard way when we rip out the heart and soul of this team...and...don't tell me that it will rondo's team then...that's a bunch of hogwash...we'll be a team of complementary players...if this trade goes thru...then...we are getting completely ripped off...

That'd be the case for a contending team--but the C's aren't contending, they're starting a rebuild.  So the top priorities next year are not to win because you're playing players without a chance to matter in the next run and to build young assets as much as possible.

Having and playing DAJ beats KG in this circumstance on both counts, even though DAJ will never be half the player KG has been.

Also, you can't assume that KG would have played in a rebuilding situation rather than simply retiring.

having and playing daj is not better...it's mark blount 2.0...how did that work out for us...we're supposed to be excited because he's 25, 7-foot and can chew gum at the same time...there are plenty of those in the nba that never amounted to much...so let's play $10M for unproven potential that has already reached it's upside...you call that rebuilding...

[rutzan]

that's a big hypothetical...jordan is overpaid, one-dimensional, has already reached his upside, his offensive game consists solely of dunks, can't shoot free-throws...think mark blount

Mark Blount, the guy who shot 72.3% lifetime on free throws?

And hit foul line jumpers with regularity.

i actually liked blount the year before he signed his big contract..but...it's pretty well acknowledged as one of the biggest bust signings in Celtics history by pretty much everyone...

[CelticG1]

What if KG retires after this season, He will probably still be the better player but only one is likely to be playing in the NBA.  Doesn't Jordan then become the best player in the deal?

Yeah after Kg retires we will still have one of the worst centers in the league at 10+ mill. Yippee

[Rondo2287]

What if KG retires after this season, He will probably still be the better player but only one is likely to be playing in the NBA.  Doesn't Jordan then become the best player in the deal?

Yeah after Kg retires we will still have one of the worst centers in the league at 10+ mill. Yippee

Who's that?

[slamtheking]

What if KG retires after this season, He will probably still be the better player but only one is likely to be playing in the NBA.  Doesn't Jordan then become the best player in the deal?

Yeah after Kg retires we will still have one of the worst centers in the league at 10+ mill. Yippee

perhaps.

I'm kind of hoping now that Jordan has a decent year and that Danny dangles him as a nice big expiring deal after next year when we have a shot a really decent player. 

I think if Danny takes Dieng in this draft, with luck Melo has developed enough in D league this year to become a serviceable backup for 2015 --> Jordan becomes expendable and becomes the trade chip to help land the C's a really solid scorer or just really solid all-around player.

[rutzan]

What if KG retires after this season, He will probably still be the better player but only one is likely to be playing in the NBA.  Doesn't Jordan then become the best player in the deal?

Yeah after Kg retires we will still have one of the worst centers in the league at 10+ mill. Yippee

Who's that?

DAJ...of course...there is only one thing worse than DAJ being one of the most over-paid players in the NBA...it's the celtics paying him the $10M...where's all the outrage in LA about losing Jordan...there is none...enough said...