Dallas and Pierce??

[Smitty77]

How can we trade PP to the Mavs and get their 13 pick in this draft??

How can we make it work financially??  What trade exceptions do the Mavs own?/

Thanks,

Smitty

P.S. Same with Houston (who doesn't appear to own a #1 pick this year).

[JSD]

How can we trade PP to the Mavs and get their 13 pick in this draft??

How can we make it work financially??  What trade exceptions do the Mavs own?/

Thanks,

Smitty

P.S. Same with Houston (who doesn't appear to own a #1 pick this year).

Dallas would have to include Marion, Carter and Cunningham for the numbers to work. I'm not sure it makes sense for the Celtics to take on all that salary, albeit expiring, for the 13th pick in this particular draft.

[Who]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

[Smitty77]

I thought they had a trade exception or two??

[jambr380]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Doesn't it depend on what they want to do? If they want as much cap space as possible, then $10 million is a lot. I don't know that the 13th pick is all that - just a hopeful prospect.

I don't know what the Rockets draft is like this year, but they drafted White and Jones in the middle of the draft last year. I am sure we could pretty much take our pick of the two.

[JSD]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Sure he is. In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

[LooseCannon]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Dallas isn't looking for value, they're looking for cap space.

[Who]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Sure he is. In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

If they can get Dwight + CP3 to agree to go there, sure. Then they will happily give up the #13 pick.

I am not optimistic about that happening though and I think it is a struggle to see enough value there for Dallas to make this trade otherwise.

[JSD]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Sure he is. In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

If they can get Dwight + CP3 to agree to go there, sure. Then they will happily give up the #13 pick.

I am not optimistic about that happening though and I think it is a struggle to see enough value there for Dallas to make this trade otherwise.

I don't see it making much sense for the Celtics. Is paying out $15 million this upcoming season for the likes of Marion, Carter, Cunningham and a 13th pick, worth it?

If you're Dallas at least you are putting yourself in position and not giving up anything earth shattering.

[saltlover]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Sure he is. In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

I think they'd have to do a bit more than that to get room for Paul and Howard, but I agree they'd do that trade for Pierce.  They would have to release Dirk with the stretch position and have him re-sign for the minimum.  But Dirk has openly talked about adjusting his contract to make room for players, so I think he's on board with this plan.

I wouldn't like the Celtics to take on that much salary for #13 either, although maybe Cunningham has some value.  I don't know much about him.

[Who]

I don't expect Dallas to give up that pick for Pierce.

Pierce isn't valuable enough.

Sure he is. In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

If they can get Dwight + CP3 to agree to go there, sure. Then they will happily give up the #13 pick.

I am not optimistic about that happening though and I think it is a struggle to see enough value there for Dallas to make this trade otherwise.

I don't see it making much sense for the Celtics. Is paying out $15 million this upcoming season for the likes of Marion, Carter, Cunningham and a 13th pick, worth it?

If you're Dallas at least you are putting yourself in position and not giving up anything earth shattering.

Where are Dallas after they acquire Paul Pierce? They still won't have enough talent to challenge for a title. It doesn't do anything for them.

They are giving up a late lottery pick for nothing.

[Who]

In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

I think they'd have to do a bit more than that to get room for Paul and Howard, but I agree they'd do that trade for Pierce.  They would have to release Dirk with the stretch position and have him re-sign for the minimum.  But Dirk has openly talked about adjusting his contract to make room for players, so I think he's on board with this plan.

Can they do that? Use the stretch provision and then re-sign their own player? Is that allowed?

That is a pretty cool workaround on the salary cap if so.

[slamdunk]

How can we trade PP to the Mavs and get their 13 pick in this draft??

How can we make it work financially??  What trade exceptions do the Mavs own?/

Thanks,

Smitty

P.S. Same with Houston (who doesn't appear to own a #1 pick this year).

Dallas would have to include Marion, Carter and Cunningham for the numbers to work. I'm not sure it makes sense for the Celtics to take on all that salary, albeit expiring, for the 13th pick in this particular draft.

Why not? If you're rebuilding, that's the type of deal you should be looking for. Take on contracts from a team looking for cap space and get a high pick for your troubles. With the new cba you're going to have to spend the money anyway so why not take a chance on getting an All-Star with the pick?

[Who]

1) Dirk = $22.72 million
2) Pierce acquired and waived = $5 million
3) Crowder = $0.79 million
4) 10 empty roster slots at $0.49 million a pop = $4.9 million

Total = $33.41 million
Cap = $58.5 million

Difference of $25 million to split between Dwight Howard and Chris Paul.

I think the expected starting salaries for Dwight Howard and CP3 are somewhere around $20 million for Dwight and $18 million for Chris Paul. So it looks like they are only going to be able to sign one of those players rather than both.

Does either one of them go to Dallas if the other isn't there? To play with an old Dirk Nowitzki (35 years ild - 17ppg, 7rpg last season)? I think that is a hard sell.


If they can do that stretch provision idea and re-sign Dirk at the minimum, they could free up another $15 million and change. That would give them enough cap space to sign both players.

If that is allowed.

I tried to find an answer to that elsewhere but I couldn't find one.

[saltlover]

In the scenario I described, they would essentially shed everyone but Dirk, cut Pierce, and have enough cap space to sign Howard and Paul.

I think they'd have to do a bit more than that to get room for Paul and Howard, but I agree they'd do that trade for Pierce.  They would have to release Dirk with the stretch position and have him re-sign for the minimum.  But Dirk has openly talked about adjusting his contract to make room for players, so I think he's on board with this plan.

Can they do that? Use the stretch provision and then re-sign their own player? Is that allowed?

That is a pretty cool workaround on the salary cap if so.

I made that idea up myself, but I checked all through Larry Coon's FAQ, and I couldn't find a rule that said you couldn't.  In a fan post that's been delayed due to the Garnett-Doc issue, I was going to suggest that as an option for us with Pierce, so that we save on cap space for next season in order to bring in better players, while keeping goodwill with Pierce so that he's wiling to sign for the minimum (since he'll still be getting paid his full salary).  It wasn't necessarily going to be my recommended option, due to the long-term inflexibility that would create, but I think this loophole is available for teams to use until they probably close it in the next CBA.

Also, the more I think about the Pierce deal, the more I'm okay with it, as the logical option for us is to flip some of the picks we get from it and the Doc deal, along with the expirings, to Atlanta for Smith in a sign-and-trade.  Jordan, Smith, and maybe one pick still wouldn't be a terrible end-game.  I'd prefer other options, but I could live with that.