If the Celtics acquire DeAndre Jordan, who can they flip him for?

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I really don't know if he has much trade value.

That's my biggest issue with this trade.  I don't see him as much of an asset.

That is exactly what I have been saying over and over again in the other thread.  Why is getting Jordan better than getting cap space when KG retires?  It seems others think that Jordan will be much easier to flip for assets than I do.

Depending on other contracts, you might have a choice between a roster with a payroll of the soft cap plus a player signed with the room exception vs a roster with a payroll somewhere over the soft cap plus players signed with the MLE and BAE.

If the Celtics acquire a star at some point in the future, doing the deal with Jordan rather than letting KG retire makes it more likely that you will have a decent bench if the team acquires a core star in 2014 or 2015.

So you would foresee a future trade sending DJ out for supporting cast members or that he would eventually be a back up Center?  I guess if you know that he will turn out to be a good fit and could resign him at a much reduced rate as a backup to some future better player great.  But that seems like a lot of assumptions.

I mean based on everything I have read, DJ is overpaid, and will be looking at a pay CUT by the time he signs his next deal.  How does that equate to the C's getting better value than using their own capspace if KG retires?

[byennie]

I see it this way. Jordan has 2 years left on his contract. He won't help you win many games during the rebuilding period, so the job becomes to DEVELOP him as a player. He's only 24 - give him 2 years to reach his peak as a player, and then either let him go for cap space or keep an (improved) Jordan. Of course if someone wants to blow you away with an offer, you listen.

I don't think he's worth the money right now, but he's not badly overpaid by big man standards, is one of the most physically imposing players in the league, has only played for the Clippers, and is 24 years old.

Let's say he makes modest improvement to the point where he gives you 10/10/2 in 30 MPG, plays above average defense, loves playing for the Celtics, and shoots his usual 65%. Against a certain portion of teams he's extra valuable due to mismatch.

Sounds a lot like Perkins at his very best, which I would take (and not to be confused with washed-up Perkins)

[gar]

Wow, I was trying to find some way to feel good about this; but I forgot about his foul shooting, ugh. No way to contend with him on the floor so the Clips need to get something for him; but I now think that we need two firsts or Bledsoe in the mix.

Varejao, Horford, Polish Hammer....

[LooseCannon]

I see Jordan mainly as trade ballast to make the money work and the other stuff coming with Jordan as the heart of the deal.  Honestly, I might prefer Caron Butler, two firsts, two seconds, and toss in whoever is needed to balance salaries rather than Jordan, Bledsoe, and a first.

Jordan will be almost as good as cap space when he is an expiring contract.  He is an impediment mainly if the Celtics want to sign a player outright through free agency, but will probably not be that big of an impediment as an expiring contract used in a sign-and-trade scenario.

If you hold out for two first then, in theory, you flip Jordan and maybe a first from the Clippers for a useful player and end up with an addition first-round pick that you can either use yourself or trade to acquire a useful player.

[CFAN38]

I don't think he is being traded for with a flip in mind.

If the trade happens I believe DA focuses the next season on developing the talent on this team. I hope this will lead to the hiring of a big man coach to focus on the development of Sully, Jordan and Melo.

Along with the bigs we have AB and Crawford who are both fare from finished products.

I also see Jeff Green taking a big jump next season. With alot of pressure off this team Jeff will be the number 1 option on offense. He will be getting his shots night in and night out and needs to take this opportunity to have a season on pare with all-star SFs. I expect 18pts 7rb per game.   

[crimson_stallion]

I think 18ppg is under selling Jeff Greenfor the upcoming season.

As a starter he averaged 20 PPG last season while Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.ting stupidly efficient numbers.  He did hat with paying third wheel begging Pierce and KG, and with Rondo there to set him up.

I think Green as held back last year because he didn't seem to want to steal Pierce's show.  He would dominate for stretches, then start deferring to Pierce as if he wanted to show him ir was still his Team.

Call me crazy but with Piece gone I think Green will average anywhere from 20 to 25 PPG.  Look at what happened to Harden's numbers when he went from a third option to a first onein Houston...I think Green is going  to surprise a lot of people.

[LooseCannon]

Jordan is unlikely to develop into a guy worth his current contract.  I don't think this trade would be made with the hope that he will be a long-term solution at center.

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Jordan is unlikely to develop into a guy worth his current contract.  I don't think this trade would be made with the hope that he will be a long-term solution at center.

Well if  you don't think he is going to develop to be worth his contract, why do you want the C's to move ahead with this trade?  If we are selling him at $0.50 on the dollar two years down the road, why trade for him?  This whole thing ends up serving Doc/KG/PP and the clippers WAY more than us.

[kozlodoev]

Jordan is unlikely to develop into a guy worth his current contract.  I don't think this trade would be made with the hope that he will be a long-term solution at center.

Well if  you don't think he is going to develop to be worth his contract, why do you want the C's to move ahead with this trade?  If we are selling him at $0.50 on the dollar two years down the road, why trade for him?  This whole thing ends up serving Doc/KG/PP and the clippers WAY more than us.

Two years down the road, you'll get nothing for Kevin Garnett. Two years down the road, you'll get something for DeAndre Jordan.

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Jordan is unlikely to develop into a guy worth his current contract.  I don't think this trade would be made with the hope that he will be a long-term solution at center.

Well if  you don't think he is going to develop to be worth his contract, why do you want the C's to move ahead with this trade?  If we are selling him at $0.50 on the dollar two years down the road, why trade for him?  This whole thing ends up serving Doc/KG/PP and the clippers WAY more than us.

Two years down the road, you'll get nothing for Kevin Garnett. Two years down the road, you'll get something for DeAndre Jordan.

At the same time committing 23 million dollars to a player (that you don't want on your team) over two years when we are rebuilding.  There are two sides to this.

[Tr1boy]

Jordan is going to get a chance. Maybe Del Negro couldn't get through to him.

Also when you have two avg iq guys like Griffin and Jordan, there is little you can do in critical sitatuions

Now mix Sully who has a high iq and Jordan, maybe something will balance out. Jordan athleticism and size is top level for a centre in the nba

[greg_kite]

Jordan's 40% FT shooting won't matter much since they aren't going to be contenders. 

He will be an exciting young guy that will get blocks and dunks and might fill a few seats.  Rondo will love throwing him alley oops and he will be a good 2nd line of defense when Rondo and Bradley gamble on steals.

Almost all starting NBA centers are overpaid, so his contract isn't all that bad.  Still better than Perk's!

If KG retired and Pierce was waved I don't see the C's having enough space to get someone much better than Jordan.