trade idea: Bill Simmons "best case scenaio"

[CelticConcourse]

My ideal scenario:
Tree-way deal:

BOS: out KG, Doc to Clippers and #16 to Suns
     in: Gortat, Morris, #5, #25
LAC: out Bledsoe, Jordan, #25
     in: KG, Doc
PHO: out Gortat, Morris, #5
     in: Bledsoe, Jordan, #16

Then we trade Pierce to Dallas for Marion and #13.
We draft Alex Len at #5, Shabazz Muhamed at #13 and Ricky Ledo at #25.

Our team post trade looks like:
Rondo, Williams, Terry
Bradley, Lee, Ledo
Green, Marion, Muhamed
Sullinger, Bass, Morris
Gortat, Len, Melo.

Not a bad starting point with Rondo, T-Will, Bradley, Ledo, Lee, Green, Muhamed, Sullinger, Morris, Len and Melo. Possibility are endless...Lee, expiring contract of Marion, Ledo/Muhamed, Morris + future pick for Josh Smith or Kevin Love or ...

LAC says no, just like in real life. Who knows what Phoenix does?

[RJ87]

I don't really understand the appeal of trading away KG and Pierce only to tie up a bunch of future salary in Josh Smith.

Josh Smith is a nice player, but in my view he's the kind of guy that if you added to the group we already have, it would make us a lot more competitive.

But I wouldn't want to build around him, especially if the other core guys are Rondo and Deandre Jordan.  You really couldn't play them all at once because the floor spacing would be so terrible.

Jeff Green is the only guy in that proposed starting lineup who can create his own shot from mid-range or further out.

To play Devil's advocate, that'd be an athletic, defensive squad and one of the most devastating teams in the open court. Bring in a defensively sound  coach that can really instate an uptempo style (ahem**George Karl) and it could work. Maybe flip Bledsoe later on for a scoring SG and we could have something.

[Celtics Insider]

flip Bledsoe later on for a scoring SG

GORDON HAYWARD!

I also like Amir Johnson, but that's another story and he's obviously not a scoring SG...

[wdleehi]

Anyone else really dislike these "best case scenarios"?

[mkogav]

listening to the latest podcast with Russilo, Simmons came up with this "best case" that he was trying to talk himself into liking

Clippers cave and give us Bledsoe and DeAndre Jordan (not even worried about the picks)

We trade Pierce to Cleveland for two later first rounders.

We use the trade exception from the Pierce deal and throw in Bradley to the Hawks for Josh Smith (S&T) - note: I think that's impossible as a straight up deal - would have to have to be two deals as a package I think

so our new roster looks like this

Rondo
Bledsoe (as a SG?)
Smith and Green (don't they duplicate each other a lot?)
Sullinger and Bass
at center

still have Terry, Lee on the books

Now, even as he threw this out, he kind of laughed it off as a bad idea, but it is interesting thinking from a number of different angles.

By the way, Rondo and Smith on the same team without Doc or KG or even Pierce kinda terrifies me.

I understand the allure of a quick rebuild back to title contention, but the danger is that in many of these scenarios, the Celtics would replacing the last Big 3 (top 50 HOFer, Paul, KG, and Ray) with 3 of 4 borderline All Stars to All Star level players, Rondo, Green Smoov or Millsap, etc... Let's call the third player Josh MillSmith

2007-2011 PP, KG, & Ray > Rondo, Green, Josh MillSmith.

I understand Danny would still be making moves beyond this new Core 3, but unless he can build a deep Indiana/Spur type bench and bring in a coach who can make a dollar out of 75 cents, e.g. Larry Brown with the 04 Pistons, then the Celtics would probably end up like the 2008-12 Atlanta Hawks. A 45-55 win team who can't get over the top.

I would much rather see Danny take his time and work to position the team to add (by trade, draft, or FA) 2-3 top 10 type talents  over 3-5 years. Yes, I understand that Rondo may be one of those players, but there is NO RUSH!!!

Danny's 07 draft tragedy to title triumph was not an over night success. It was built up over a few years.

Thanks for listening....


No more ranting from me... for now.

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[demiurg]

My ideal scenario:
Tree-way deal:

BOS: out KG, Doc to Clippers and #16 to Suns
     in: Gortat, Morris, #5, #25
LAC: out Bledsoe, Jordan, #25
     in: KG, Doc
PHO: out Gortat, Morris, #5
     in: Bledsoe, Jordan, #16

Then we trade Pierce to Dallas for Marion and #13.
We draft Alex Len at #5, Shabazz Muhamed at #13 and Ricky Ledo at #25.

Our team post trade looks like:
Rondo, Williams, Terry
Bradley, Lee, Ledo
Green, Marion, Muhamed
Sullinger, Bass, Morris
Gortat, Len, Melo.

Not a bad starting point with Rondo, T-Will, Bradley, Ledo, Lee, Green, Muhamed, Sullinger, Morris, Len and Melo. Possibility are endless...Lee, expiring contract of Marion, Ledo/Muhamed, Morris + future pick for Josh Smith or Kevin Love or ...

Why the hell would the Suns do this?
They downgrade from Gortat to Jordan on a horrific contract and drop 11 spots in the draft just to pick up a backup PG they don't need?