How much of this Doc drama d'ya think is real? Your best/worst case scenario?

[bfrombleacher]

The center of all this drama is Doc wanting out.

Then, the idea of trading Doc.

Then, the KG for DeAndre Jordan deal.

Then Vinny Del Negro???

What's real? What's not?

The core of it all, Doc wanting out is 99% legit.

There aren't reports on KG saying anything on the matter yet. Perhaps he might even be the one jamming the gears. This all might be speculation. Don't forget, no trade clause!

MAYBE WE WON'T TRADE KG AFTER ALL!



But with all the reports...I'm torn.

As for the VDN part, fortunately, it's died down since. This may be more speculation. I'm thinking no. Hoping no. George Karl or Jerry Sloan are available. Like Jeff Clark said, we can get an "up and coming" coach.

My Best/Worst case scenario

BEST case scenario:
We "trade" Doc for an asset, maybe even move Bass to the Clips with Doc so Doc has someone he knows. With said assets and our bits and pieces, shoot for Gortat/Al Jefferson/Millsap.

George Karl or Sloan replace him. We essentially get assets for free since Doc wants to leave anyway.

Would the Clips do this? Maybe. Doc developed Rondo. He's certainly battle tested. They get to change their culture without giving up anybody.

WORST case scenario:
We get DeAndre for KG and Doc. We get VDN.

I'd like to see KG retire in green.

But, like the Perk trade, the "worst" part is not the main part (the fact that it's a bad trade now is debatable), it's the stuff on the side that, in my opinion, is really going to be a mistake.

The winning culture KG brought to the C's will be flushed down by VDN. We'll tank for sure. Best chance at 4th pick in next year's draft.

THIS. THIS is how you become the Bobcats. You actively get worse. You taint your assets. Young, malleable minds like Sully, Green and AB ruined by VDN. We'd be set back 5 years.

Get assets, new era, sure. But WHY would Ainge get Del Negro?

[SHAQATTACK]

probably most accurate and  is based on some truth
Fact Doc diss'd the C's team to run off with another team and actively worked " against" the team he has the best contract in the league with and had a committment to t's young players and fan base. He broke his word.....so he has nothing

Hang a big sign outside the Garden.  "Doc Go Away "

Rivers has done some damage to the Celtics as result and IMO doesn't need to be the coach anymore

He is low down and underhanded.......no better than DH or CP3....:.. no scruples ....

he doesn't represent high stds of the Celtics

[chambers]

The center of all this drama is Doc wanting out.

Then, the idea of trading Doc.

Then, the KG for DeAndre Jordan deal.

Then Vinny Del Negro???

What's real? What's not?

The core of it all, Doc wanting out is 99% legit.

There aren't reports on KG saying anything on the matter yet. Perhaps he might even be the one jamming the gears. This all might be speculation. Don't forget, no trade clause!

MAYBE WE WON'T TRADE KG AFTER ALL!



But with all the reports...I'm torn.

As for the VDN part, fortunately, it's died down since. This may be more speculation. I'm thinking no. Hoping no. George Karl or Jerry Sloan are available. Like Jeff Clark said, we can get an "up and coming" coach.

My Best/Worst case scenario

BEST case scenario:
We "trade" Doc for an asset, maybe even move Bass to the Clips with Doc so Doc has someone he knows. With said assets and our bits and pieces, shoot for Gortat/Al Jefferson/Millsap.

George Karl or Sloan replace him. We essentially get assets for free since Doc wants to leave anyway.

Would the Clips do this? Maybe. Doc developed Rondo. He's certainly battle tested. They get to change their culture without giving up anybody.

WORST case scenario:
We get DeAndre for KG and Doc. We get VDN.

I'd like to see KG retire in green.

But, like the Perk trade, the "worst" part is not the main part (the fact that it's a bad trade now is debatable), it's the stuff on the side that, in my opinion, is really going to be a mistake.

The winning culture KG brought to the C's will be flushed down by VDN. We'll tank for sure. Best chance at 4th pick in next year's draft.

THIS. THIS is how you become the Bobcats. You actively get worse. You taint your assets. Young, malleable minds like Sully, Green and AB ruined by VDN. We'd be set back 5 years.

Get assets, new era, sure. But WHY would Ainge get Del Negro?

Well it's also how we got KG and Ray in the first place. It's what other GM's have done trying to copy Ainge since 2006.
You can't have your cake both ways. Without collecting those assets and tanking, you don't have KG.
A month before that trade went down KG was saying he'd never play for the Celtics, and talked about us negatively.
Tanking doesn't turn you into the bobcats if you do it correctly.
Look how the Spurs got Duncan. Of course there are dissapointments but it's probably the best way we are going to field a team to compete with the Miami's of the NBA in the next 5 years. Unless we can convince Paul George, Marc Gasol and Klay Thompson to all come over in 2015 free agency with Rondo.

[Celtics4ever]

I think it's all real and I think it's Doc's fault for trying to use the media but it back fired on him.

[Who]

Not too concerned about Del Negro coming in. I expect he is only one of several names on Danny's list. I think we'd be jumping the gun to assume he is Ainge's #1 guy.

[Chris]

I think this is blown way out of proportion.

I think Doc is interested in going with KG to LA.  Why wouldn't he be?  It's a great opportunity.

But I also don't think this is something that he can't return to Boston after.  Doc is a smooth customer, and he has also done this "will he stay" dance every year, so its not really anything new.

If this falls through, and he decides to return to Boston, he will work just as hard as he always does, he will be just as charming as he always is, and things will be the same.  And next summer, we will go through this yet again.

[PhoSita]

I'm a big believer that you don't get this much smoke without real fire.

And there's a ton of smoke out there, so my feeling is that there's a roaring bonfire somewhere.

Point being, I can't believe all this stuff would get reported from so many different places if it were being blown way out of proportion.

It's not often that a seemingly insane Stephen A. Smith rumor apparently comes to fruition and gets reported on by Adrian Wojnarowski as an actual thing that could happen.  This is really a bizarre set of circumstances.

[sed522002]

Well it was reported Saturday that KG is willing to drop his no trade clause

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4705489/report-kg-will-drop-no-trade-clause

[slamtheking]

I still think the most likely scenario is that the current core and Doc are back for one more run next year. 

[PhoSita]

I still think the most likely scenario is that the current core and Doc are back for one more run next year.

I just don't understand how the Celtics could put out this same group, with the same coach / GM combo and say to all of us fans, "This is the group we believe in.  We're going to be competitive this year.  We're excited to go forward with this group."

It's so obvious that nobody involved really feels that way.  They might as well just hold up a shovel-full of cow manure and say "Come and get it guys!  Eat up!"

[CelticConcourse]

Good scenario =

2013-2014 roster:
Rondo/Terry/Barbosa
Pierce/Bradley/Crawford
Green/Lee/Parnhos
Bass/Sullinger
Garnett/[FA]/[draft pick]
Coach: Doc Rivers

2013-2014: NBA Champions
Summer of 2014: Rebuild
2014-2015: Young core

[RJ87]

I think it comes down to wanting to win. If reports are true, then Doc, KG, amd Pierce would all prefer to try and win in Boston but Danny may be looking to blow it up. So here's how I see it:

Pierce has been in limbo for awhile now. Ainge won't commit to bringing him back, so he's preparing cut or traded or both and he's looking at all of his options.  Can't really hate him for it.

KG has 1, maybe 2 years left of his career and doesn't want to spend them losing in the first round. LA provides an opportunity to get another ring and to do it with a coach you respect and have a strong bond with. Again, can't hate him for it.

Doc wants to continue coaching KG and Paul, but it doesn't seem realistic it happens in Boston. He also knows how ugly losing in Boston can be and perhaps isn't as prepared as he thought he was for the mental/emotional grind that is the rebuilding process. So, he's looking at other opportunities.

All of these guys have given a lot to this organization over the years. Maybe this isn't them wanting to bolt Boston, but simply them wanting an opportunity to win one more time and to win together. It would be nice if that could happen in Boston, but they're not entirely in charge of that.

[Who]

I still think the most likely scenario is that the current core and Doc are back for one more run next year.

I just don't understand how the Celtics could put out this same group, with the same coach / GM combo and say to all of us fans, "This is the group we believe in.  We're going to be competitive this year.  We're excited to go forward with this group."

It's so obvious that nobody involved really feels that way.  They might as well just hold up a shovel-full of cow manure and say "Come and get it guys!  Eat up!"

I think it will be fine once they get back on the court and go to work.

Until then - and probably for a short while after - there will be some uneasiness but it will go away. The team will band together. They have to - to win.

The work, the day-to-day of an NBA season, will be bring them back together.

[PhoSita]

I still think the most likely scenario is that the current core and Doc are back for one more run next year.

I just don't understand how the Celtics could put out this same group, with the same coach / GM combo and say to all of us fans, "This is the group we believe in.  We're going to be competitive this year.  We're excited to go forward with this group."

It's so obvious that nobody involved really feels that way.  They might as well just hold up a shovel-full of cow manure and say "Come and get it guys!  Eat up!"

I think it will be fine once they get back on the court and go to work.

Until then - and probably for a short while after - there will be some uneasiness but it will go away. The team will band together. They have to - to win.

The work, the day-to-day of an NBA season, will be bring them back together.

Okay, well, that's a fair argument about how the team / coach / GM will band back together and recommit to winning together, but you didn't really address the aspect of it as far as the relationship between the franchise and the fanbase.

We are really supposed to believe that this isn't totally Plan B (or C, or D) for this team if they bring 'em all back next season?

I just can't believe that they can "run it back" at this point without clearly signalling that they are basically conceding this year is a retread because they weren't able to do what they really felt was best.  Hard to get very excited about that as a fan.

[sed522002]

There were so many rumors during the season, but one that sticks out now is how it was reported that the locker room was starting to tune him out. So many things to ponder until this mess is settled.