I've changed my mind on Clippers Trade

[gpap]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

I am with you. I'll never understand the Rondo fascination. I don't know, maybe if he was on another team, I'd appreciate him more as sometimes I take some of our own players for granted.

However, I just don't like Rondo's style of play. Never have, never will.

I truly prefer a point guard who can actually shoot the ball and take control of a game as opposed to someone who's just known for being a "facilitator."

That said, it looks like I am in the minority because it appears Rondo will likely be the face of our team over the next several years.

Oh well. I'll still love the Celtics.

^way to diss Rondo, one of the best point guards to ever play the game. Cant shoot? you obviously didnt watch him play this season. 2nd best FG % among guards.

I am not dissing Rondo. I am merely stating that I prefer a point guard who can knock down a consistent jump shot (see Westbrook, Chris Paul, etc.)

I understand Rondo had a high FG percentage this year and did follow the team very closely.

What I am saying is I just don't like his style of play, that's all.

I like a point guard who doesn't always need to pass first but can take a game over by himself, when he sees fit.

[lightspeed5]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

I am with you. I'll never understand the Rondo fascination. I don't know, maybe if he was on another team, I'd appreciate him more as sometimes I take some of our own players for granted.

However, I just don't like Rondo's style of play. Never have, never will.

I truly prefer a point guard who can actually shoot the ball and take control of a game as opposed to someone who's just known for being a "facilitator."

That said, it looks like I am in the minority because it appears Rondo will likely be the face of our team over the next several years.

Oh well. I'll still love the Celtics.

^way to diss Rondo, one of the best point guards to ever play the game. Cant shoot? you obviously didnt watch him play this season. 2nd best FG % among guards.

I am not dissing Rondo. I am merely stating that I prefer a point guard who can knock down a consistent jump shot (see Westbrook, Chris Paul, etc.)

I understand Rondo had a high FG percentage this year and did follow the team very closely.

What I am saying is I just don't like his style of play, that's all.

I like a point guard who doesn't always need to pass first but can take a game over by himself, when he sees fit.

he doesnt pass because he "needs to," he does it because its his best asset. he is a good passer. Passing isnt a fallback option, its a hard skill to grasp. Rondo is the best passer in the NBA.

[EJPLAYA]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

I am with you. I'll never understand the Rondo fascination. I don't know, maybe if he was on another team, I'd appreciate him more as sometimes I take some of our own players for granted.

However, I just don't like Rondo's style of play. Never have, never will.

I truly prefer a point guard who can actually shoot the ball and take control of a game as opposed to someone who's just known for being a "facilitator."

That said, it looks like I am in the minority because it appears Rondo will likely be the face of our team over the next several years.

Oh well. I'll still love the Celtics.

^way to diss Rondo, one of the best point guards to ever play the game. Cant shoot? you obviously didnt watch him play this season. 2nd best FG % among guards.

If you think Rondo is one of the best PG's to ever play the game you clearly haven't watched many PG's play. He is barely in the top few to play right now, let alone of all time. I'm betting you are under 25 yrs old...

[ejk3489]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

  Rondo's been top 3 in the league  in assists at the rim 4 years running. The reason people have this "mythical opinion" of Rondo is they pay some attention to what he does in games and compare it to other players. Likewise, he's a great fast break player, the Celts just don't normally play that style of ball.

So I would imagine then that you can send me a link with a highlight reel of his tons of oops throughout his career then! I have league pass and have basically watched every minute of every game of his 7 seasons in the league and I really think I haven't seen more than 10-15 of them ever. Almost 500 games and none of them come to mind. Seems a little odd considering he is the greatest lob man in the world!

I find that incredibly hard to believe, but if you insist, here is a video of Rondo's passing highlights from the 2012-13 season. I count about 13 lob/oop passes in the first two minutes alone, but you can check for yourself if you'd like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

[danglertx]

I've also changed my mind but not in the same way you have.

I say if Jordan and a pick is all the Clippers offer for KG/Doc, then Danny should take it and run!

If KG retires and Doc ends up doing TV, then you've just lost both of them for nothing.

At least with Jordan and the Clippers pick, you now have two more "chips" that you didn't have before and/or you also have a young, athletic center you didn't have before.

I hear you, and that was my original thought, however when you are in full rebuild mode don't you actually want freedom and space instead of committed assets?! The NBA is full of young athletic players, but that doesn't mean Jordan will pan out. Right now he is appearing that he could be just another big guy that never does anything more likely than a core piece of a championship team. A late first round NBA draft pick is usually just a waste of money and a roster spot. More often than not they don't get their option picked up and fade away. I'd rather have the free spots on the roster and the cap space.

Bingo!  KG simply retiring is better than picking up DeAndre Jordon's contract.  People say, just flip him.  But flipping someone almost always means you have to take back the same amount of money.

We'd be better off with KG retiring, letting Pierce go and saving that 10mil and getting under the lux threshold for a year. 

And KG added to what the Clips already have would make them serious contenders, thus making their picks late 20s.  The chance on hitting on a guy like Parker with one of those picks is about 1 in 10.  It is much more likely you are stuck paying out a guaranteed contract to someone who doesn't or shouldn't see the court.  Picks 20 on are almost a liability in most drafts.  Several teams like OKC might be giving their picks away or picking foreign guys they can keep overseas for a few years.

So basically the Clips are offering us a liability and two probable liabilities.  I'd rather let Doc do broadcasting and KG retire.

[Celtics18]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

  Rondo's been top 3 in the league  in assists at the rim 4 years running. The reason people have this "mythical opinion" of Rondo is they pay some attention to what he does in games and compare it to other players. Likewise, he's a great fast break player, the Celts just don't normally play that style of ball.

So I would imagine then that you can send me a link with a highlight reel of his tons of oops throughout his career then! I have league pass and have basically watched every minute of every game of his 7 seasons in the league and I really think I haven't seen more than 10-15 of them ever. Almost 500 games and none of them come to mind. Seems a little odd considering he is the greatest lob man in the world!

I find that incredibly hard to believe, but if you insist, here is a video Rondo's passing highlights from the 2012-13 season. I count about 13 lob/oop passes in the first two minutes alone, but you can check for yourself if you'd like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

TP.  You beat me to posting that video.

 

[LooseCannon]

The chance on hitting on a guy like Parker with one of those picks is about 1 in 10.

The chance of the team with the 8th worst record moving up to one of the top three spots in about 1 in 10.

[chambers]

Because in 2 years he'll be an expiring deal and could rise in trade value when we need that value most.

[BballTim]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

  Rondo's been top 3 in the league  in assists at the rim 4 years running. The reason people have this "mythical opinion" of Rondo is they pay some attention to what he does in games and compare it to other players. Likewise, he's a great fast break player, the Celts just don't normally play that style of ball.

So I would imagine then that you can send me a link with a highlight reel of his tons of oops throughout his career then! I have league pass and have basically watched every minute of every game of his 7 seasons in the league and I really think I haven't seen more than 10-15 of them ever. Almost 500 games and none of them come to mind. Seems a little odd considering he is the greatest lob man in the world!

  Sigh. If you didn't see what was going on in the games when you (apparently) watched them I'm not sure you'd fare any better with youtube clips. Go to basketballreference's event finder, check out Rondo's assists and search for "makes 2-pt shot at rim". You'll find a hundred or so over his last season and a half. Saying you've only seen 1-2 lobs a season from Rondo is roughly the same as saying you watched every minute of every game and then claiming "I've never seen Avery hit a three pointer" or "I don't think Jeff Green had a single dunk the entire season".

[BballTim]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

  Rondo's been top 3 in the league  in assists at the rim 4 years running. The reason people have this "mythical opinion" of Rondo is they pay some attention to what he does in games and compare it to other players. Likewise, he's a great fast break player, the Celts just don't normally play that style of ball.

So I would imagine then that you can send me a link with a highlight reel of his tons of oops throughout his career then! I have league pass and have basically watched every minute of every game of his 7 seasons in the league and I really think I haven't seen more than 10-15 of them ever. Almost 500 games and none of them come to mind. Seems a little odd considering he is the greatest lob man in the world!

I find that incredibly hard to believe, but if you insist, here is a video of Rondo's passing highlights from the 2012-13 season. I count about 13 lob/oop passes in the first two minutes alone, but you can check for yourself if you'd like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

  Good video. It works equally well with criticisms of Rondo never penetrating with his dribble and Rondo never pushes the ball that you hear. And I'd love to hear all the people who make the claim explain how we're looking at shows them that defenses don't pay any attention to Rondo and people don't even bother to guard him.

[D.o.s.]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

I am with you. I'll never understand the Rondo fascination. I don't know, maybe if he was on another team, I'd appreciate him more as sometimes I take some of our own players for granted.

However, I just don't like Rondo's style of play. Never have, never will.

I truly prefer a point guard who can actually shoot the ball and take control of a game as opposed to someone who's just known for being a "facilitator."

That said, it looks like I am in the minority because it appears Rondo will likely be the face of our team over the next several years.

Oh well. I'll still love the Celtics.

^way to diss Rondo, one of the best point guards to ever play the game. Cant shoot? you obviously didnt watch him play this season. 2nd best FG % among guards.

For what it's worth, Rondo's got a great FG% because he doesn't have much of a jump shot. He's not stupid (or Josh Smith), so he doesn't take a lot of them, and defenses aren't stupid, so he gets a lot of wide open looks from 15-20 feet.

[Celtics18]

the trade is more about bledsoe (asset for j smoove trade) and jordan as an asset (whos value would improve with the world's best lobs from rondo...) and thn flipping jordan later for a legitimate center whos disgruntled (maybe DMC)

Please remind me of all these "world's best lobs" from Rondo!! While you're at it remind me of  all the times he supposedly is the great "push it up the floor" guy that he gets credit for. Rondo RARELY ever lobs the basketball to anyone. He also usually walks the ball up the floor. For some reason people have this mythical opinion of what Rondo really does on the floor. He is a half court ball pounder that forces us usually into a late shot clock attempt. That's a big reason why above I said I'd package him out of here.

  Rondo's been top 3 in the league  in assists at the rim 4 years running. The reason people have this "mythical opinion" of Rondo is they pay some attention to what he does in games and compare it to other players. Likewise, he's a great fast break player, the Celts just don't normally play that style of ball.

So I would imagine then that you can send me a link with a highlight reel of his tons of oops throughout his career then! I have league pass and have basically watched every minute of every game of his 7 seasons in the league and I really think I haven't seen more than 10-15 of them ever. Almost 500 games and none of them come to mind. Seems a little odd considering he is the greatest lob man in the world!

I find that incredibly hard to believe, but if you insist, here is a video of Rondo's passing highlights from the 2012-13 season. I count about 13 lob/oop passes in the first two minutes alone, but you can check for yourself if you'd like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

I was bored, so I counted.  I counted 15 lob passes (and, I was being very conservative about what I was considering a lob pass) out of the 114 Rondo assists shown in that video.  That's about 13%. 

Including the playoffs, Rondo has dished out a total of 4,788 assists over the course of his career. 

At that rate, my math says he's likely successfully completed about 622 lob passes over the course of his career. 

So, EJ, the fact that you've only noticed about ten to fifteen of them says more about how closely you've been paying attention than it does about the reality of what happens on the basketball court. 

[crimson_stallion]

What a silly comment!

How many lob passes has Rondo made to Wilcox and KG alone over the last few seasons???

Seems like 1 in every 3 assists to Wilcox was a lob!

Look at week he's played with...how many athletic bigs has Rondo shared the court with in Boston?  KG and Wilcox, that's really about it.

Perkins?
Shaq?
Big Baby?
Sully?
Jermaine?
Kristic?
Collins?


Bass is athletic but is only 6'7".