The Clippers and rebuilding

[CoachBo]

Here's the thing with all this Clippers nonsense:

I'd be fine with buying out Pierce. I'd release Doc from his contract, and I'd work a trade for Garnett if he waives the no-trade to the Clippers.

However, that conversation begins with Blake Griffin. Not the overpaid Jordan. Not the overhyped Bledsoe. Blake Griffin.

No Griffin, no deal.

This is my Plan A for rebuilding: With Griffin, Jeff Green and Rondo - and yes, in this scenario I would advocate retaining Rondo - you have an excellent foundation for an uptempo attack.

Then, you try to draft a big who's good in the open floor, and the other remaining pieces fit anyway. That's a team, in my opinion, that is as good - if not better - than the team we put on the floor last year, and it's significantly younger, and more attractive to younger players.

And no, you don't hire Vinny Del Spamcanned to coach them. You hire a veteran coach with an up-tempo background - Karl? - and you go forward with your rebuilding several steps ahead of ground zero.

Not interested in turning loose Pierce, Garnett and Rivers for Jordan and Bledsoe. Not today. Not ever.

If the Clippers decide to hang onto Griffin, then Plan B is bringing Garnett, Pierce and Rivers back and trying to move Rondo for young value.

[kgainez]

that doesnt make any sense

the point is to get KG next to Griffin in LA. otherwise there's no point for them.

and then for us, the point is to rebuild, and we're probably going to be doing so around Rondo. with Blake, you have to consider rebuilding around him.

I'm fine with DJ. We had Perk all these years...let's do the same thing.

and then bring them back..to move Rondo? LOL!!!
you saw how they did this post season without Rondo, right?
no

let em go

[CoachBo]

that doesnt make any sense

the point is to get KG next to Griffin in LA. otherwise there's no point for them.

and then for us, the point is to rebuild, and we're probably going to be doing so around Rondo. with Blake, you have to consider rebuilding around him.

I'm fine with DJ. We had Perk all these years...let's do the same thing.

and then bring them back..to move Rondo? LOL!!!
you saw how they did this post season without Rondo, right?
no

let em go

Your response doesn't make a lick of sense.

Not interested in starting from scratch with an overpaid, limited center - you do realize that Perkins is not a favorable comparison - and a limited, overrated guard.

At all. We got rid of Pitino once. Ainge makes this deal, he can find the door just like Pitino did.

No Griffin, then the Clippers can kiss off.

Rondo can be moved for value at some point during the season.

[CelticConcourse]

No Griffin, no deal.

Aptly put.

[hpantazo]

Not happening.

The Clippers are already giving up too much and mortgaging their future to get 1-2 years of an old KG and Pierce. There is absolutely no way they give up Griffin for that.

The alternative you suggest would kill the future of our team and put us back into the Pitino era.

[CoachBo]

Not happening.

The Clippers are already giving up too much and mortgaging their future to get 1-2 years of an old KG and Pierce. There is absolutely no way they give up Griffin for that.

The alternative you suggest would kill the future of our team and put us back into the Pitino era.

Hahahaha.

Hardly think that Rondo is the "future of our team." If he is, welcome back to the post-Bird wildnerness. He is little more than a complementary player to brighter stars, and if he stays here, Ainge has got to find one or more of those stars, or we're done.

No Griffin, no deal. Not interested in the Clippers' scrubs.

[connor]

The only player the Clippers would consider trading Griffin for is Dwight Howard. There is no chance Blake is coming to Boston so that plan can be put aside.

I'd be open to reloading if KG and PP want to come back, but the only way I'm trading Rondo is for a talented young big (think Utah's Kanter/Favors or Sactown's Cousins) and I don't know if those trades are out there right now.

I think the thing you are assuming is that people want to rebuild around Jordan and Bledsoe and for me thats not the case.

I look at this situation as an opportunity to bring in two talented young guys who have tons of potential and let them and our other youngsters get plenty of court time to see who can develop.

Its not about rebuilding around Jordan and Bledsoe (ideally I would like to move them both). Its about compiling assets by taking advantage of other teams' urgency and then using those assets to bring in more talent down the road.

Rebuilding is about patience. No these guys aren't building blocks, but they are definitely trade-able commodities that we can use as leverage in the future. I think thats a great return for our old vets and a coach who doesn't want to be here for the rebuild.

[Fan from VT]

I think the players are fairly irrelevant. Bledsoe could be good. Jordan's a role player. The only way this ends up successful is if we get 2 future firsts: the first one is guaranteed to be in the lottery, and the second is just a regular unprotected. Clippers likely make the playoffs in 2014, 2015, 2016. So we get the first one in (lottery) in 2017, then an unprotecgted one in 2019.

Meanwhile, we suck in 2014 (Rondo/Green/Jordan/Sully/2013 1st), 2015 we are slightly better (Rondo/Green/jordan/sully/2013 1st/hopefully high 2014 1st), then 2016 continue to improve, then, to a more mature team, we get to add our own 2016 1st, 2017 1st, and LAC's 1st. Now the team takes off a bit, and in 2019 again we get to add the LAC 1st.

It's the Chicago model; to build internally an acquire long-term firsts that you can then add real lottery talent to a playoff team.

[gpap]

To the OP - VERY good point and I feel the same way.

If the Clippers, KG and Doc all want to play, let's play!!

Let's play hardball or NO deal.

The hell with it.

Either include Blake in the deal OR no deal at all.

I am all for getting some young pieces for our old guys but at the same time, I almost feel like the best thing for Danny to do in this situation is be a little bit of a you know what.

That's what I would do.

Let's not forget, the Celtics don't owe Doc and KG a darn thing.

And, last I checked, both Doc and KG are still under contract with the Celtics.

So that means the Celtics should have the leverage here!

[gpap]

Not happening.

The Clippers are already giving up too much and mortgaging their future to get 1-2 years of an old KG and Pierce. There is absolutely no way they give up Griffin for that.

The alternative you suggest would kill the future of our team and put us back into the Pitino era.

Hahahaha.

Hardly think that Rondo is the "future of our team." If he is, welcome back to the post-Bird wildnerness. He is little more than a complementary player to brighter stars, and if he stays here, Ainge has got to find one or more of those stars, or we're done.

No Griffin, no deal. Not interested in the Clippers' scrubs.

Happy I found another fan like me. This love with Rondo here is IMO, a bit much.

Rondo is talented, but he is NOT a franchise player. I think along the way, people have become mislead and have confused his athleticism and ability to rack up assists for actual talent.

[CelticConcourse]

A 13/11/5/2 26-year old four-time All-Star is more than just a "complementary player".

[celticslove]

no way Clips let go of their superstar/cash cow Griffin. keep dreaming with your "no Griffin no deal" policy.

[hpantazo]

Not happening.

The Clippers are already giving up too much and mortgaging their future to get 1-2 years of an old KG and Pierce. There is absolutely no way they give up Griffin for that.

The alternative you suggest would kill the future of our team and put us back into the Pitino era.

Hahahaha.

Hardly think that Rondo is the "future of our team." If he is, welcome back to the post-Bird wildnerness. He is little more than a complementary player to brighter stars, and if he stays here, Ainge has got to find one or more of those stars, or we're done.

No Griffin, no deal. Not interested in the Clippers' scrubs.

Happy I found another fan like me. This love with Rondo here is IMO, a bit much.

Rondo is talented, but he is NOT a franchise player. I think along the way, people have become mislead and have confused his athleticism and ability to rack up assists for actual talent.

I'm not saying Rondo is our franchise player. But he IS our best asset by far, and he's young and on a good contract. You don't ditch him to keep the old guys. You trade him and the old guys if anything.

[kgainez]

Not happening.

The Clippers are already giving up too much and mortgaging their future to get 1-2 years of an old KG and Pierce. There is absolutely no way they give up Griffin for that.

The alternative you suggest would kill the future of our team and put us back into the Pitino era.

Hahahaha.

Hardly think that Rondo is the "future of our team." If he is, welcome back to the post-Bird wildnerness. He is little more than a complementary player to brighter stars, and if he stays here, Ainge has got to find one or more of those stars, or we're done.

No Griffin, no deal. Not interested in the Clippers' scrubs.

Happy I found another fan like me. This love with Rondo here is IMO, a bit much.

Rondo is talented, but he is NOT a franchise player. I think along the way, people have become mislead and have confused his athleticism and ability to rack up assists for actual talent.

I'm not saying Rondo is our franchise player. But he IS our best asset by far, and he's young and on a good contract. You don't ditch him to keep the old guys. You trade him and the old guys if anything.

agreed
at this point, we're rebuilding. i just don't even see the point of having a guy like blake on the team.

[Celtics4ever]

. You trade him and the old guys if anything.

You still have to sell tickets and have something for the fans to watch...