The only thing that will make me "mad as hell", is if Danny takes back DeAndre Jordan.

Talk about $10m worth of yuck.

I gave you a TP for the fiery speech, but I'm guessing that both Rajon and Jeff have been around the league long enough by now to realize how these things work, and how rumors (many of them often having very little basis in actual fact) can take on a life of their own and get wildly overblown in both the paid and the amateur media. 

I doubt they are paying as much attention to the circus as we are.  In some ways, I'm sure it's nice to not be at the center of all the chatter. 

well.....if you want to get right down to bare bones about this whole situation ........

here we are the Celtics and several other teams , worst off is the Lakers, but multiple teams , coaches, Tv contracts, deals, bringing back players, likemGarnet, CP3 ,  And a multitude of other players are at risk be traded all because of one MAN.


DWIGHT HOWARD


if you look at the root of all this mess .....it is that blank blank Howrd not committing to playing SOMEWHERE.......

when Howard makes up his mind ......then the rest of the pieces will fall quickly into place

Howard won't commit,  so CP3 won't either till  Howard lands ...... and then it just goes from there............


Howard has once again brought the off season NBA to a halt.

I wish he would sign a 10 year contract and stay somewhere anywhere. and quit screwing up the NBA acting like  a 10 year old............plain stupid.


and further more,  look at the Clippers record without CP3 on the court ,  it's horrible.........so they are no better off with Doc as coach without CP3.......... With a healthy Rondo and Sully , Pierce and KG ..... the Celtics are the better team. with or without  Doc,

Clippers are junk without. CP3 ........ Doc would have a better team with Celtics .......

so you see ...until Howard lands,   Clippers can't return CP3 ,   and if CP3 isn't on the Clips ,  then Doc won't go to that hell. hole

problem is not every GM or coach or team can wait out Howard's decision ....... CP3 is a guilty as Howard , trying to land himself on the same team......what a mess.

to think Doc thinks so little of the Celtics to get involved in this mess .......shows his immaturity and how loyalty h has to the Celtics.

Wow, apparently I am in the minority where I just don't see what the big deal is with Rondo and Jeff Green.

Almost as if they are the next Jordan/Pippen, the way some talk about them.

And now there's comparisons of Rondo/Green to CP3 and Blake??? Really?

Very well said. TP.

PG: Rondo (20/13/6/1)
SG:
SF: Green (24/6/2)
PF:
C:

In what dimension do they average those stats

Quote from: CelticConcourse on June 15, 2013, 11:19:01 AM

Very well said. TP.

PG: Rondo (20/13/6/1)
SG:
SF: Green (24/6/2)
PF:
C:

In what dimension do they average those stats

Agreed. Good lord. I love Rondo too, but take the green-tinted glasses off for a second. The only three players who have ever averaged 13 APG for a season are Magic, Stockton, and Isiah, and the only one who's done it more than once is Stockton, and anyone who says Rondo-to-Green is anywhere in the same vicinity as Stockton-to-Malone is kidding themselves.

As for the OP's argument, I think you're being a little melodramatic here as well. I think Paul versus Rondo for who's the better PG is an interesting debate; I'd take Paul for now by a hair until Rondo becomes a better shooter, but I can't fault someone for picking Rondo instead. But where you lose all credibility is by suggesting that Green is a better player than Griffin. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. At best, Griffin and Green are equal, but Green has shown absolutely nothing since he's came into the league to suggest that he's anything more than a solid complementary player. I like him, and I like having him on the Celtics, but he's nowhere near the cornerstone that Griffin is, and I think it's clear because there are A LOT more teams lining up to trade for Griffin than for Green, and it has very little to do with his contract.

I mean, I'm not even sure Green is anything better than a middle-of-the-pack starter at the moment. You're saying that Green is better than Griffin right now, so let's assume we're talking one season, in a vacuum, no injuries. Assuming we list Green as a PF, I would argue that the following PFs -- in no particular order beyond stating that everyone listed is, in my opinion, better than him at the moment -- would be as follows (keeping in mind that I'm listing Duncan as a C but KG as a PF):
Garnett
Griffin
Z-Bo
Aldridge
Josh Smith
Lee
Love
West
Dirk
Ibaka
Tobias Harris
Thaddeus Young
Faried
... and an argument might be able to be made for Gasol, Boozer, Ilyasova, and Anthony Davis depending on tastes.

Now let's call Green a SF and do the same exercise, again in particular order beyond saying they're better than Green:
Lebron
Durant
Melo
Paul George
Pierce
Rudy Gay
Batum
Parsons
Iguodala
Kawhi Leonard
Deng

... and maybe Gallinari, and I'd call Turner about equal. Shorter than the PF list, no doubt, but still a long list.

Given all that, how can you suggest that Green is better than Griffin? In 5 years, perhaps Green can make up enough ground and Griffin can regress, but what evidence have we been given so far to suggest that Green will grow much beyond what he was the year before the heart surgery and this past year? Remember that we all though Tony Allen was going to be an amazing SG based on what he did for a string of games before injuring himself a few years back, but he never delivered on that promise (he's a great defensive SG, sure, but no one's rooting for his offense.) At some point we have to recognize the realities of the players we have. Green seems like a great guy to be around, and he's a good player, but he's not a great one. He's a #3 option, at best, on a contending team.

Wow, apparently I am in the minority where I just don't see what the big deal is with Rondo and Jeff Green.

Almost as if they are the next Jordan/Pippen, the way some talk about them.

And now there's comparisons of Rondo/Green to CP3 and Blake??? Really?

I don't think that the duo of Rondo/Green is on par with the duo of CP3/Griffin.  Blake Griffin is already a considerably more valuable player than Jeff Green, and, presumably, he's going to keep getting better.

Rondo and Paul, on the other hand, are fairly comparable players.