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Possible compensation for Doc?
« on: June 13, 2013, 03:03:21 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.

Re: Possible compensation for Doc?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 03:11:15 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
We're not getting players for Doc, there is precidence for low first round picks for coachs/GMs but that's about it.

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 03:19:31 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
We're not getting players for Doc, there is precidence for low first round picks for coachs/GMs but that's about it.

I don't think you can make that claim with any degree of certainty. Especially when the coaching decision to be made by the Clippers will probably have great impact on CP3's decision to re-sign.

Losing Bledsoe seems like a small price to pay to have Doc as coach and basically guaranteeing that CP3 stays.

Re: Possible compensation for Doc?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 03:32:47 PM »

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Trade KG and Doc for Jordan, Bledsoe, and Clips 1st..I think KG would waive his no trade clause if Doc goes to LA..
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 03:54:54 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
We're not getting players for Doc, there is precidence for low first round picks for coachs/GMs but that's about it.

I don't think you can make that claim with any degree of certainty. Especially when the coaching decision to be made by the Clippers will probably have great impact on CP3's decision to re-sign.

Losing Bledsoe seems like a small price to pay to have Doc as coach and basically guaranteeing that CP3 stays.
Actually it pretty much is a certainty the Celtics couldn't get players. If players are involved that means a trade which means players going back to the Clippers. The only compensation that has precedent are draft picks.

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 04:13:14 PM »

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Trade KG and Doc for Jordan, Bledsoe, and Clips 1st..I think KG would waive his no trade clause if Doc goes to LA..
Jordan is an overpayed role player.  No thanks.  I would rather keep KG in the deal.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2013, 04:15:44 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
We're not getting players for Doc, there is precidence for low first round picks for coachs/GMs but that's about it.

I don't think you can make that claim with any degree of certainty. Especially when the coaching decision to be made by the Clippers will probably have great impact on CP3's decision to re-sign.

Losing Bledsoe seems like a small price to pay to have Doc as coach and basically guaranteeing that CP3 stays.
Actually it pretty much is a certainty the Celtics couldn't get players. If players are involved that means a trade which means players going back to the Clippers. The only compensation that has precedent are draft picks.

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Re: Possible compensation for Doc?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2013, 04:48:14 PM »

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I don't understand why any team would give up draft picks for a coach.

Plenty of quality coaches out there.

I would happily get rid of Doc for a first round pick.

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2013, 05:33:22 PM »

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There is "strong mutual interest" between the Clippers and Doc Rivers, sources close to the situation told ESPN.

The Los Angeles Clippers have not formally requested permission to interview Celtics coach Doc Rivers in the wake of widespread reports about Rivers' potential departure from Boston, but there is strong mutual interest between the parties, according to sources close to the situation.

Sources told ESPN.com that Rivers is highly intrigued by the idea of coaching the Clippers in the event that he and the Celtics part company after nine seasons together and one championship in 2008. Sources say that the Clippers, meanwhile, would immediately vault Rivers to the top of their list if he became available as they continue a coaching search that, to this point, has focused on Brian Shaw, Byron Scott and Lionel

Earlier Wednesday, the Los Angeles Times, citing several NBA executives, reported that if Rivers decides he doesn't want to coach in Boston anymore, the Clippers would be interested in him and he would become their No. 1 choice.

ESPN.com has also learned that the Celtics and Clippers -- in an offshoot of February's Kevin Garnett-to-L.A. trade talks -- discussed expanded trade scenarios that actually could have sent both Garnett and close friend Paul Pierce to the Clippers before the league's Feb. 21 trade deadline.

Sources say that those talks, before breaking down, were centered around Boston getting back both prized Clippers guard Eric Bledsoe and young center DeAndre Jordan and did not involve Clippers star forward Blake Griffin.

It is not yet known if the Clippers intend to revive those trade discussions and pursue either Garnett or Pierce -- or both -- in conjunction with this month's NBA draft. But one source familiar with the Clippers' thinking told ESPN.com that the club plans to be "very aggressive" and "shake every tree" in terms of upgrading the roster this offseason. Acquiring Garnett or Pierce -- or both -- would naturally make Rivers even more of a natural coaching target for the Clippers than he already is.

Rivers, now regarded as one of the NBA's consensus top-five coaches after his considerable success in Boston, played one season for the Clippers on the franchise's first-ever L.A. playoff team in 1991-92 after breaking in with the Atlanta Hawks.

The Clippers, sources say, are determined to pursue a bold course with their roster this summer no matter who is hired to succeed Vinny Del Negro. Step 1 is re-signing All-Star point guard Chris Paul when he becomes an unrestricted free agent July 1, but sources say that Clippers management then intends to be aggressive in upgrading the cast around Paul and Griffin in the wake of a disappointing first-round playoff exit that cost Del Negro his job.

The Clippers already had preliminary discussions with the Orlando Magic about trading for shooting guard Arron Afflalo at the predraft camp in Chicago and there is a level of mutual interest on both sides, sources said. ESPN.com's Chad Ford reported that Orlando is interested in a package that would include Caron Butler and Bledsoe, but the talks are preliminary at this point. It's believed the Clippers would want at least one more asset in order to part with their prized young point guard.

On the coaching front, meanwhile, Shaw, Scott and Hollins have all formally interviewed for the Clippers' opening this week.

Rivers, though, could thrust himself into that race after ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reported Wednesday that the 51-year-old believes it "may be time for a change" despite repeated insistence from Celtics president Danny Ainge that Rivers will be back on the Boston bench next season

"Doc loves coaching," one source close to the situation told Broussard. "He loves coaching in Boston. But he feels it may be time for a change."

Sources said Thursday that the Celtics want Rivers back and are determined to prevent him from coaching another NBA team next season since he has three years and $21 million left on his contract. But sources added that Boston could be moved to let Rivers out of his contract depending on the level of compensation they get from the Clippers, whether that's a veteran player or future draft picks. The thought in coaching circles is that the close relationship between Ainge and Rivers might help the coach get out of his obligation.

Broussard reported Wednesday that the Brooklyn Nets and Clippers did seek permission from Boston to interview Rivers for their respective openings in May, but Ainge denied both requests.

The possibility also remains that the Celtics can commit to bringing Pierce back for next season, which sources say would strongly increase the likelihood that Garnett agrees to play for a 19th season. The Celtics have until the end of June to decide to pick up Pierce's $15.3 million option for next season or buy him out this month for $5 million, provided they don't trade him first.

With Pierce and Garnett still in the fold and Rajon Rondo expected to be back for training camp after suffering a torn knee ligament during the regular season, Rivers might decide that the Celtics still have a sufficiently competitive team to convince him to remain in Boston.

Rivers signed a five-year, $35 million extension after the 2010-11 season and said he was committed to the potential long-term reshaping of Boston's roster. After the New York Knicks eliminated the Celtics from the first round of the Eastern Conference playoffs, Rivers said of his future: "I'm coming back until I say I'm not."

Rivers was originally scheduled to attend Boston's workout Thursday of potential draftees but was delayed after traveling back from a competition committee meeting at the NBA Finals in San Antonio. Sources say Rivers has attended most of Boston's draft workouts while deliberating about his future and has likewise been involved in Boston's free-agent planning as well as visits with veterans Rondo, Jared Sullinger and Jason Terry, who have all been at the Celtics' workout facility rehabbing from injuries.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2013, 05:37:16 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
We're not getting players for Doc, there is precidence for low first round picks for coachs/GMs but that's about it.

I don't think you can make that claim with any degree of certainty. Especially when the coaching decision to be made by the Clippers will probably have great impact on CP3's decision to re-sign.

Losing Bledsoe seems like a small price to pay to have Doc as coach and basically guaranteeing that CP3 stays.
Actually it pretty much is a certainty the Celtics couldn't get players. If players are involved that means a trade which means players going back to the Clippers. The only compensation that has precedent are draft picks.

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Exactly what I was thinking. A trade would be made in order to receive a player, but the players traded to LAC are simply a technicality since it would merely act as compensation for Doc.

Re: Possible compensation for Doc?
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 05:39:56 PM »

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But sources added that Boston could be moved to let Rivers out of his contract depending on the level of compensation they get from the Clippers, whether that's a veteran player or future draft picks. The thought in coaching circles is that the close relationship between Ainge and Rivers might help the coach get out of his obligation.

Perhaps the Times and ESPN are citing the same source, but that in itself makes it interesting. Even more so if they're different sources sources that are sharing similar information.

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
Are his "sources" in Major League Baseball? Because the league the Celtics play in certainly doesn't allow trading staff contracts.

I've never heart of Baxter Holmes before. His credibility with me is a complete zero.
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 05:46:21 PM »

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It's hilarious that this story that seemed ridiculous when Stephen A. started talking about it is getting further attention.

The only thing he missed was the two first round picks they are going to give us to let Doc out of his contract.
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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 05:49:26 PM »

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A league source also told the Times that the Celtics might ask the Clippers for two first-round draft picks over a three- or four-year period in exchange for Rivers. But it’s reasonable to believe the Celtics would want multiple players as well as draft picks, too.

A couple of 1st rd picks is a nice haul, but if we could somehow grab Bledsoe too then that would be a great move. This coming from a Doc supporter.
Are his "sources" in Major League Baseball? Because the league the Celtics play in certainly doesn't allow trading staff contracts.

I've never heart of Baxter Holmes before. His credibility with me is a complete zero.

He's a C's beat writer for the Globe. He was actually citing a report from the LA Times. That said, Marc Stein has an article with similar info (a couple of posts above).

As for the trade, no, players can't be traded for a coach. So in order to do so we would have to send contracts back, but the contracts would only be to receive the player(s) since the real return for LAC would be Doc.

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 05:56:31 PM »

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He's C's beat writer for the Globe. He was actually citing a report from the LA Times. That said, Marc Stein has an article with similar info (a couple of posts above).
No wonder I haven't heard of him, he's been on the job for half a year. Before that, he spent 4 years at the LA Times on sundry writing jobs.

For someone who's on the team beat, I'm not quite impressed by the rehash of stories that came out a while ago -- and the obvious lack of understanding of how the NBA works :)
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