Clippers and Celtics Trade idea

[CFAN38]

Who would say no.  In light of Doc not wanting to rebuild and PP and KG being the domino here, would teams agree to this trade?

Doc, PP and KG #16 pick

Jordan, Butler and Crawford and future 2015 first?

Rondo still has some recover time to get back to playing shape.  So I'm assuming he won't start the season starting. 

Bradley/Rondo/T Will
Crawford/Lee/Crawford
Green/Butler
Sullinger/Bass
Jordan/Wilcox/Melo

Chris Paul
Billuops/Bledsoe
PP/Hill
Griffin/Odom
KG/Hollins

Some how we mover Terry for cap space or send him to a contender?

Doc does as he pleases after the trade but this is what I would propose.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k5xqgn6

Cs sents KG + PP

Cs get Jordan + Butler + Green + D Williams + #25

Clip sends Jordan + Butler + Green + Crawford + #25

Clip get KG + PP

Minn sends D Williams

Minn get Crawford

DA mission then becomes moving a combination of Terry, Bass, and Green for younger parts.

2013-2013 Cs

pg Rondo
sg AB,
sf Green,
pf Sully
c  Jordan
Lee
Williams
Melo?

[Moranis]

what is the point of that trade for Boston?  Totally a horrible trade.

[CFAN38]

what is the point of that trade for Boston?  Totally a horrible trade.

not sure if referencing my trade or original post.

but for my trade the point it to amass young assets to speed up the rebuilding process.

The end goal for me would to be able to flip assets and 2014 pick for a player like Aldridge or Love to partner with Rondo and Green. Long shot but that would be my plan A.

[saltlover]

Why are we giving up KG, Pierce, and a pick, and Doc, for Jordan, salaries (actually, I like Crawford, but why are the Clips trading him?) and probably a lesser pick?  If that's Danny's master plan, he should tell Doc that he's bringing everyone back for one more year.

The commonly thrown about trade of Bledsoe and Jordan for KG makes some sense.  Add in Doc and you should get at least a pick out of it too.  But we'd be better of releasing Pierce and clearing his salary that way than taking on Butler and Crawford.  And dropping Bledsoe from the deal, who is a valuable young asset, makes no sense at all from the C's point of view.

[smiggity]

I think the issue with trading with the Clippers is that the most valuable asset coming back (Bledsoe) doesn't fit the Celtics needs (so long as they have Rondo). I'd love to see the trade expanded to include a third team. For example:

Boston incoming: Cousins, Hayes, Salmons, Butler
LAC incoming: Garnett (likely Pierce after he has been bought out) (possibly Doc after Pierce and Garnett go to LAC) (maybe someone else - Bass?)
SAC incoming: Pierce (buy-out), Bledsoe, Jordan, Bradley/Sullinger, Celts 2013 first round pick

or something like that

[gpap]

I think the issue with trading with the Clippers is that the most valuable asset coming back (Bledsoe) doesn't fit the Celtics needs (so long as they have Rondo). I'd love to see the trade expanded to include a third team. For example:

Boston incoming: Cousins, Hayes, Salmons, Butler
LAC incoming: Garnett (likely Pierce after he has been bought out) (possibly Doc after Pierce and Garnett go to LAC) (maybe someone else - Bass?)
SAC incoming: Pierce (buy-out), Bledsoe, Jordan, Bradley/Sullinger, Celts 2013 first round pick

or something like that

Disagree. I think the point a lot of people are missing is (IMO) Eric Bledsoe is just a more talented player than Rondo someone I'd much rather be our future PG.

[rondohondo]

I think the issue with trading with the Clippers is that the most valuable asset coming back (Bledsoe) doesn't fit the Celtics needs (so long as they have Rondo). I'd love to see the trade expanded to include a third team. For example:

Boston incoming: Cousins, Hayes, Salmons, Butler
LAC incoming: Garnett (likely Pierce after he has been bought out) (possibly Doc after Pierce and Garnett go to LAC) (maybe someone else - Bass?)
SAC incoming: Pierce (buy-out), Bledsoe, Jordan, Bradley/Sullinger, Celts 2013 first round pick

or something like that

Disagree. I think the point a lot of people are missing is (IMO) Eric Bledsoe is just a more talented player than Rondo someone I'd much rather be our future PG.

no offense , but that's crazy


Rondo is so superior to Bledsoe ...

[JMRJAYDIGGLES]

Who would say no.  In light of Doc not wanting to rebuild and PP and KG being the domino here, would teams agree to this trade?

Doc, PP and KG #16 pick

Jordan, Butler and Crawford and future 2015 first?

Rondo still has some recover time to get back to playing shape.  So I'm assuming he won't start the season starting. 

Bradley/Rondo/T Will
Crawford/Lee/Crawford
Green/Butler
Sullinger/Bass
Jordan/Wilcox/Melo

Chris Paul
Billuops/Bledsoe
PP/Hill
Griffin/Odom
KG/Hollins

Some how we mover Terry for cap space or send him to a contender?

Look like there is smoke!

http://bleacherreport.com/boston-celtics

[Birdman]

wheres the offense? They would average around 75 points a game.

[Tr1boy]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9384172/doc-rivers-los-angeles-clippers-mutual-interest-sources-say

again this story is popping up.

So i assume the deal would look like

To bos: Jordan, Bledsoe, 25th pick (for Doc), Caron , salary fillers

To lac: KG, PP, Rivers, Melo

Than with the 16th and 25th pick, i could see danny at first trying to trade up to get say Oliadipo or just make the picks 16th (Plumlee, KCP, Adams, Olynyk) and 25th pick (Dieng, Withey, Glen Rice Jr.)

Jason Terry also should get traded for at worse a 2nd round pick

I wish they also get rid of Crawford . T will is ok

Starting lineup after everything -

STarting - Jordan - Sully - Green - AB - Rondo
Bench -  Bass - 2-3 draft picks - Bledsoe - t will - Shav

rebuild time. Good chance by trade deadline if we are bad, more guys will be gone, so we get a shot at wiggings/Randle/Parker. Not sure also who Danny would hire as coach to help lead this team. For some reason i wouldn't mind scal getting a chance

[gpap]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9384172/doc-rivers-los-angeles-clippers-mutual-interest-sources-say

again this story is popping up.

So i assume the deal would look like

To bos: Jordan, Bledsoe, 25th pick (for Doc), Caron , salary fillers

To lac: KG, PP, Rivers, Melo

Than with the 16th and 25th pick, i could see danny at first trying to trade up to get say Oliadipo or just make the picks 16th (Plumlee, KCP, Adams, Olynyk) and 25th pick (Dieng, Withey, Glen Rice Jr.)

Jason Terry also should get traded for at worse a 2nd round pick

I wish they also get rid of Crawford . T will is ok

Starting lineup after everything -

STarting - Jordan - Sully - Green - AB - Rondo
Bench -  Bass - 2-3 draft picks - Bledsoe - t will - Shav

rebuild time. Good chance by trade deadline if we are bad, more guys will be gone, so we get a shot at wiggings/Randle/Parker. Not sure also who Danny would hire as coach to help lead this team. For some reason i wouldn't mind scal getting a chance

Scal? Lol, no! God no! I was thinking a more respectable name like Bird, Karl, Lionel Hollins, Bryon Scott, etc.

[Tr1boy]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9384172/doc-rivers-los-angeles-clippers-mutual-interest-sources-say

again this story is popping up.

So i assume the deal would look like

To bos: Jordan, Bledsoe, 25th pick (for Doc), Caron , salary fillers

To lac: KG, PP, Rivers, Melo

Than with the 16th and 25th pick, i could see danny at first trying to trade up to get say Oliadipo or just make the picks 16th (Plumlee, KCP, Adams, Olynyk) and 25th pick (Dieng, Withey, Glen Rice Jr.)

Jason Terry also should get traded for at worse a 2nd round pick

I wish they also get rid of Crawford . T will is ok

Starting lineup after everything -

STarting - Jordan - Sully - Green - AB - Rondo
Bench -  Bass - 2-3 draft picks - Bledsoe - t will - Shav

rebuild time. Good chance by trade deadline if we are bad, more guys will be gone, so we get a shot at wiggings/Randle/Parker. Not sure also who Danny would hire as coach to help lead this team. For some reason i wouldn't mind scal getting a chance

Scal? Lol, no! God no! I was thinking a more respectable name like Bird, Karl, Lionel Hollins, Bryon Scott, etc.

if a person like doc doesn't want to be part of a rebuild, celtics or not, what makes you think hollins, bird want to??

And no thanks to scott. He failed in cleveland to rebuild that team.

What makes you think Karl is any good?? And would he be better than scal??

Scal has a high iq and had high bbiq when he played. He gets along with players well. He was an assistant under thibs and when you hear him do commentating, the insight is dead on.

Not all great coaches have to have been a great players

[gpap]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/9384172/doc-rivers-los-angeles-clippers-mutual-interest-sources-say

again this story is popping up.

So i assume the deal would look like

To bos: Jordan, Bledsoe, 25th pick (for Doc), Caron , salary fillers

To lac: KG, PP, Rivers, Melo

Than with the 16th and 25th pick, i could see danny at first trying to trade up to get say Oliadipo or just make the picks 16th (Plumlee, KCP, Adams, Olynyk) and 25th pick (Dieng, Withey, Glen Rice Jr.)

Jason Terry also should get traded for at worse a 2nd round pick

I wish they also get rid of Crawford . T will is ok

Starting lineup after everything -

STarting - Jordan - Sully - Green - AB - Rondo
Bench -  Bass - 2-3 draft picks - Bledsoe - t will - Shav

rebuild time. Good chance by trade deadline if we are bad, more guys will be gone, so we get a shot at wiggings/Randle/Parker. Not sure also who Danny would hire as coach to help lead this team. For some reason i wouldn't mind scal getting a chance

Scal? Lol, no! God no! I was thinking a more respectable name like Bird, Karl, Lionel Hollins, Bryon Scott, etc.

if a person like doc doesn't want to be part of a rebuild, celtics or not, what makes you think hollins, bird want to??

And no thanks to scott. He failed in cleveland to rebuild that team.

What makes you think Karl is any good?? And would he be better than scal??

Scal has a high iq and had high bbiq when he played. He gets along with players well. He was an assistant under thibs and when you hear him do commentating, the insight is dead on.

Not all great coaches have to have been a great players

Scalabrine was an awful basketball player. The reason why fans in Boston were chanting "Scalabrine" wasn't because they were so in awe of his talent.

Secondly, I didn't realize he was an assistant in Chicago but rather a bench player who only got playing time when there was a 78 point difference in the score.

Third, I am not quite sure where this idea came from where Scal has a basketball IQ. I think that's something Danny Ainge said to blow smoke up everyone's skirt after he signed him back in 2005.

Fourth, I didn't realize George Karl and Lionel Hollins were former players but I would trust an established name who's proven he can coach over a guy in Scal who hasn't really shown any kind of coaching experience or leadership.

Now, if someone was looking to cast a move about Carrott Top's career, different story (lol, had to do it)

[LooseCannon]

Scalabrine was an awful basketball player. The reason why fans in Boston were chanting "Scalabrine" wasn't because they were so in awe of his talent.

Secondly, I didn't realize he was an assistant in Chicago but rather a bench player who only got playing time when there was a 78 point difference in the score.

Third, I am not quite sure where this idea came from where Scal has a basketball IQ. I think that's something Danny Ainge said to blow smoke up everyone's skirt after he signed him back in 2005.

Scal sounds good on TV.  Of course, that's why Matt Millen had the Detroit Lions GM job of so long.

The time when a lot of people fell in love with Scal was probably 2008-2009 when the Celtics went 9-0 in games he started.  If he had shot threes at a higher percentage, he could have played the same useful role that Matt Bonner does in San Antonio.

There is a theory that players who were not athletically gifted make for better coaches than star players because they have a better understanding of what most players need to do.  Scal was definitely not in the league for his athleticism.