#2 pick now up for trade

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Everyone who blindly repeats "analysts'" view that this year's draft sucks is just wrong. Of course any draft should be evaluated 5-6 years after but overall I believe it is a much better draft than 2012 and 2011. Not great for bad teams in the lottery who expect a LBJ type of saviour but very good for the rest of the teams in the 1st round if they know their business.

Both Antetokounmpo (who I tried not to speak about in one out of my just 2 previou posts in the forum and who DA will pick - regretably having to trade up to get him as it seems now with his stock ready to rise) and Schroeder will become great in 3-4 years. Noel and Dieng will be very good defenders in the draft, the point guards are typically good and there are lots of big men that could be part of the rotation or be on the bench of good teams for many years to come.

Teams that are so bad they need a Higgins will trade down, teams that need the cap to sign a Howard will trade out, but many teams will be dealing and wheeling to get their man.

[LarBrd33]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

[hpantazo]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

If we could somehow grab both Noel and Schroeder and give up only Rondo, we would be in great shape. Sign Udrih to start at PG until Schroeder gains some experience.

[Celtics18]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

Would you trade Derrick Rose for him? 

[hpantazo]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

Would you trade Derrick Rose for him?

I wouldn't, but Rondo is no Derrick Rose.

[#1P4P]

The #2 doesn't interest me much, but it depends what they want for it...

I would make a push for the #1 though. A healthy Noel is going to prove to be worthy of at least this year's 1st, either 2014 or 2015 1st, and/or Bradley straight up or in a multi-team.

[Celtics18]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

Would you trade Derrick Rose for him?

I wouldn't, but Rondo is no Derrick Rose.

You're the right.  Rondo's better. 

[Moranis]

Boston out - Rondo, Bass, Terry
Boston in - Gordon, Vasquez, Turkoglu

New Orleans out - Gordon, Vasquez
New Orleans in - Nelson, #2

Orlando out - Nelson, Turkoglu, #2
Orlando in - Rondo, Bass, Terry

Why for Boston.  Get a solid PG prospect for Rondo and a very talented though injury prone SG in Gordon.  Turk comes off the books a year before Bass and Terry so you clear long term salary.

Why for New Orleans.  Get out from under Gordon's contract, pick up a veteran PG, and add #2 to #6, where you can pick up 2 more quality young players to go along with Anderson, Davis, and Rivers.

Why for Orlando.  Get the PG you need badly for #2 as well as add some veterans for your current veterans.

[hpantazo]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

Would you trade Derrick Rose for him?

I wouldn't, but Rondo is no Derrick Rose.

You're the right.  Rondo's better.

Not in my opinion. Rondo still has major flaws in his game. He is not nearly as good a scorer as Rose, he gambles waaayyyy too much on defense, he takes many nights off, and he has attitude issues with his teammates, his coaches, and the refs. Rose on the other hand has already been league MVP once.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rondo, but he has flaws that we can't just overlook. He will never be the best player on a championship team. If you can get a legit top tier defensive big man to anchor your team for the future, plus a PG who many say is similar to Rondo on a rookie contract, it's worth it. Rondo will soon want a new contract, so we either max him out in the near future for the long term, and invest in him being our best player going forward, or we trade for him while he's on a cheap deal and in theory more valuable. It's the acl injury that hurts his value now though, but for a player on his contract hopefully some teams overlook that.

The recent Dr. J shots at the lakers and celtics saying that the sixers got screwed by trading for Bynum and his bum knees and that the lakers and celtics always win deal may hurt our chances of pulling off a good trade though.

[hpantazo]

Boston out - Rondo, Bass, Terry
Boston in - Gordon, Vasquez, Turkoglu

New Orleans out - Gordon, Vasquez
New Orleans in - Nelson, #2

Orlando out - Nelson, Turkoglu, #2
Orlando in - Rondo, Bass, Terry

Why for Boston.  Get a solid PG prospect for Rondo and a very talented though injury prone SG in Gordon.  Turk comes off the books a year before Bass and Terry so you clear long term salary.

Why for New Orleans.  Get out from under Gordon's contract, pick up a veteran PG, and add #2 to #6, where you can pick up 2 more quality young players to go along with Anderson, Davis, and Rivers.

Why for Orlando.  Get the PG you need badly for #2 as well as add some veterans for your current veterans.

I don't see the point for New Orleans. They aren't desperate to get out of Gordon's contract, they are interested in trading him because he's relatively valuable and doesn't fit into their long term plans. They aren't trying to just dump him.

[LarBrd33]

I would love if we could trade up and get Ben McLemore.   HE would fix a lot of our offensive problems instantly because he can shoot and that would spread our offense.  I know we need bigs but we need guys who can score as well.  I would love to have Victor Oladipo's defense too.  Otto Porter is intriguing to me as well.  But this is a weak draft.

if we trade that far up, I hope we take Noel. He could be the big man we need to build for the future.

Not a big Noel guy.  I mean, what is he, Hassan Whiteside with a better motor?

206lb, coming off knee surgery, and (according to Brian Windhorst, I think) he's planning on gaining weight!  Not a good sign for a big man who just tore his ACL.

What if we were trading a PG who just tore his ACL.  Would it even out the risk?

Rondo is worth far more than any pick in this draft.  not even close

You think so?  I'd be happy to get Noel for him.

Would you trade Derrick Rose for him?

I wouldn't, but Rondo is no Derrick Rose.

You're the right.  Rondo's better.

Not in my opinion. Rondo still has major flaws in his game. He is not nearly as good a scorer as Rose, he gambles waaayyyy too much on defense, he takes many nights off, and he has attitude issues with his teammates, his coaches, and the refs. Rose on the other hand has already been league MVP once.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rondo, but he has flaws that we can't just overlook. He will never be the best player on a championship team. If you can get a legit top tier defensive big man to anchor your team for the future, plus a PG who many say is similar to Rondo on a rookie contract, it's worth it. Rondo will soon want a new contract, so we either max him out in the near future for the long term, and invest in him being our best player going forward, or we trade for him while he's on a cheap deal and in theory more valuable. It's the acl injury that hurts his value now though, but for a player on his contract hopefully some teams overlook that.

The recent Dr. J shots at the lakers and celtics saying that the sixers got screwed by trading for Bynum and his bum knees and that the lakers and celtics always win deal may hurt our chances of pulling off a good trade though.

Agreed...

I think Rose one of the most overrated players to ever win the MVP award, but he's still a player who can carry a team offensively... and that means a lot in this league.

The two most important things in this league is to have a dynamic scorer... and to have a dominant interior defender.   That's why the Spurs are doing so well right now... Parker fits the scoring mold and Duncan is the interior defender.   Rose is a dynamic scorer with joakim noah fitting the interior defender role for the Bulls.  In 08, Pierce/Ray fit the scoring roles and KG was the dominant interior defender.

Noel has the potential to be a dominant interior defender.  Rondo is great, but he's not someone you can build a champion around.

[Yogi]

Not in my opinion. Rondo still has major flaws in his game. He is not nearly as good a scorer as Rose, he gambles waaayyyy too much on defense, he takes many nights off, and he has attitude issues with his teammates, his coaches, and the refs. Rose on the other hand has already been league MVP once.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rondo, but he has flaws that we can't just overlook. He will never be the best player on a championship team. If you can get a legit top tier defensive big man to anchor your team for the future, plus a PG who many say is similar to Rondo on a rookie contract, it's worth it. Rondo will soon want a new contract, so we either max him out in the near future for the long term, and invest in him being our best player going forward, or we trade for him while he's on a cheap deal and in theory more valuable. It's the acl injury that hurts his value now though, but for a player on his contract hopefully some teams overlook that.

The recent Dr. J shots at the lakers and celtics saying that the sixers got screwed by trading for Bynum and his bum knees and that the lakers and celtics always win deal may hurt our chances of pulling off a good trade though.

1. Rondo scores less than Rose but takes way less shots.

2. If Rondo is flawed because he doesn't score as much as Rose, then Rose is flawed because he doesn't pass or rebound as well as Rose. 

3. Why can Rose be the best player on a championship team but not Rondo?  Rondo has a ring and goes further in the playoffs than Rose every year.  Deng, Noah, Boozer have all been all-stars and are in their prime, it's not like he didn't have help. 

4.  Rose is a horrible defender.  Rondo is SO much better as a defensive player.  It is not even close. 

5.  A player may be "like" Rondo, that doesn't mean they're even close to being Rondo.  Rondo has gone head-to-head with Rose, Lebron, Kobe, Rose, Howard and generally come out on top. 

6.  Rose won a popularity contest?  That's nice.  Do they give out championships for that?

[slamtheking]

Not in my opinion. Rondo still has major flaws in his game. He is not nearly as good a scorer as Rose, he gambles waaayyyy too much on defense, he takes many nights off, and he has attitude issues with his teammates, his coaches, and the refs. Rose on the other hand has already been league MVP once.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Rondo, but he has flaws that we can't just overlook. He will never be the best player on a championship team. If you can get a legit top tier defensive big man to anchor your team for the future, plus a PG who many say is similar to Rondo on a rookie contract, it's worth it. Rondo will soon want a new contract, so we either max him out in the near future for the long term, and invest in him being our best player going forward, or we trade for him while he's on a cheap deal and in theory more valuable. It's the acl injury that hurts his value now though, but for a player on his contract hopefully some teams overlook that.

The recent Dr. J shots at the lakers and celtics saying that the sixers got screwed by trading for Bynum and his bum knees and that the lakers and celtics always win deal may hurt our chances of pulling off a good trade though.

1. Rondo scores less than Rose but takes way less shots.

2. If Rondo is flawed because he doesn't score as much as Rose, then Rose is flawed because he doesn't pass or rebound as well as Rose. 

3. Why can Rose be the best player on a championship team but not Rondo?  Rondo has a ring and goes further in the playoffs than Rose every year.  Deng, Noah, Boozer have all been all-stars and are in their prime, it's not like he didn't have help. 

4.  Rose is a horrible defender.  Rondo is SO much better as a defensive player.  It is not even close. 

5.  A player may be "like" Rondo, that doesn't mean they're even close to being Rondo.  Rondo has gone head-to-head with Rose, Lebron, Kobe, Rose, Howard and generally come out on top. 

6.  Rose won a popularity contest?  That's nice.  Do they give out championships for that?

exactly.

Rondo may not score/shoot like Rose but he does everything else better.

[hpantazo]

1. Rondo scores less than Rose but takes way less shots.

and so? Rose is a better, and most importantly, more confident shooter than Rondo. He puts pressure on the other teams defense, gets to the line, finishes much better at the rim, and the big one....he creates more opportunities for his teammates because the defense can't slag off him. Rondo hurts the offense because opposing defenses play off him too much, he's afraid to drive, particularly in key moments of the games, because he doesn't trust his own free throw shooting.

If you want to see what a top tier scoring PG who can pass does for your playoff hopes, just look at Tony Parker.

2. If Rondo is flawed because he doesn't score as much as Rose, then Rose is flawed because he doesn't pass or rebound as well as Rose. 

see above. Opposing defenses back off Rondo and put pressure on other players, Rose, by being a big scoring threat, creates the opposite effect.



3. Why can Rose be the best player on a championship team but not Rondo?  Rondo has a ring and goes further in the playoffs than Rose every year.  Deng, Noah, Boozer have all been all-stars and are in their prime, it's not like he didn't have help. 

Let's be reasonable here. Rondo was not the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th best player on the 2008 championship team, that is a poor argument. Deng, Noah, and Boozer do not at all come close to Pierce, KG, and Ray close to their primes. Rondo's a great player, and he developed a lot since 2008, but he still has some major flaws that prevent him from being the best player on a title team.


4.  Rose is a horrible defender.  Rondo is SO much better as a defensive player.  It is not even close. 

Rose is by no means a terrible defender, and you cannot ignore the countless playoff games where Rondo has been torched by opposing PGs and has also cost the team for taking plays and entire games off on defense and gambling for steals waaayyy too much. Rondo CAN be an excellent defender imo, but he consistently fails to do it.


5.  A player may be "like" Rondo, that doesn't mean they're even close to being Rondo.  Rondo has gone head-to-head with Rose, Lebron, Kobe, Rose, Howard and generally come out on top. 

-Sure, he may not be close to being Rondo, but in 2-3 years it's possible he can be. Rondo has never matched up against Lebron, Kobe, or Howard in games, I'm not sure what you are trying to say there. His matchups with a rookie Rose were in Rose's favor.

6.  Rose won a popularity contest?  That's nice.  Do they give out championships for that?


Yes, how do you think Kobe, Lebron, and Wade got their rings?

[bfrombleacher]

he has attitude issues with his teammates, his coaches

Cos of Ray Allen?

Given the right deal, I'd trade Rondo. For a big like Favors I'd do it for sure.

Not even gonna bother defending Rondo against other PGs. KG likes Rondo, Pierce seems to like Rondo, they have chemistry, it's been working all along.