BOS-IND-SAC idea

[connor]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lfeby7r

Boston sends:
Green, Bradley, Bass, Lee, Melo, 2014 first round pick, China 2/3

Boston gets:
Cousins, Granger, Salmons

Indiana sends:
Danny Granger, 23rd pick 2013

Indiana gets:
Lee, Bass, Thomas and China 3

Kings send:
Cousins, Salmons and Thomas

Kings get:
Green, Bradley, 2014 first rounder (unprotected), 23rd pick 2013, Fab Melo

Celtics lineup:

Cousins/KG
Garnett/Sullinger
Pierce/Granger/Salmons
Granger/Terry/Crawford
Rondo/x

The starting lineup is extremely dangerous. The only major issue I see with it is a lack of depth. If we could get a kid like Schroeder with the 16th pick to be our back-up pg and preferably keep Shav or T-Will by only sending out two of the non-guaranteed contracts that would be ideal. Alternatively if the Pacers resign West and think Plumlee is ready to contribute the addition of Bass makes Hansbrough expendable so I'd try and include a sign and trade for him as well to fill out the front court.

Why the Celtics do it:
The Celtics seem to be looking at running it back and if we want to be competitive we have to take some risks. If Granger looks healthy I'd take a one year flyer on him hoping his knees hold up and he returns to the player he was before the injuries slowed him down. Not having to be the first option on offence should open things up for him and his shooting will be a great complement to Rondo. Cousins has all the potential in the world and not enough sense to put it together. KG not only complements his game well, but would also be the perfect guy to knock that sense into him and on a team with vets he could finally reach his potential. After this season we clear a boatload of cap room and can start to rebuild around Cousins and Rondo.

Why Indiana does it:
I was in Indiana a few weeks ago and floated out some trade ideas similar to this and everyone said it all depended on how the Miami series went. Its pretty obvious now their major need is at PG and Thomas has shown that he could be an excellent leader for a 2nd unit and could push George Hill. I don't think they are going to find anyone at 23 this year or via trade for Granger who will be able to contribute more than Thomas next year and they are built to compete now. I think Paul George has a strangle hold on the SF position and although Granger could be an excellent 6th man, I'm not sure they want to pay 14m for that and have any controversy in the locker room. Picking up Bass and Lee give them some jump shooting ability, which they've lacked. Bass is a solid insurance option if West leaves, but also a good complement to Hibbert's inside game and fits into the defensive scheme. Lee fills out the SG rotation so the offensive black hole that is Nick Young no longer needs to be the next man in after Stephenson and should provide a perimeter threat (ideally). On top of that they pick up 2/3 non-guaranteed contracts and some extra cap room dumping Granger's contract to help bring back West.

Why the Kings do it:
The Kings new owners might want a fresh start or they might want to at least give Evans and Cousins a chance to prove themselves. If they want a fresh start Green, Bradley a 2013 first and a 2014 first along with a project in Melo is a pretty solid haul for a guy who has given them nothing but headaches, plus they move Salmons awful contract. If I'm Sacramento I'm ready to move on from Cousins and since I can't get the same value back for him (because he has hurt his value with his behaviour) I'm looking to tank and hope I can get lucky in the lottery with Wiggins or Parker or at the very least another stud in a packed draft class. With Patterson, Thornton, Fridette, 2 2013 1sts and 2 2014 firsts added to Green and Bradley who both have upside they could turn hat team around in a couple years and can move on from the circus they've been running the last few years.

I know people are going to hate the idea of going after Granger, but given what you have to give up for him (Bass/Lee China 3) and the fact that he is expiring, if we are running it back why not take a chance on a guy who is the epitome of boom or bust (or at least his knees are). If we don't do anything dramatic then we are basically hoping against hope that one of the Heat's big 3 get injured and then the East is up for grabs. I'd rather swing for the fences. I admit that a deal like this isn't likely, but I think it could be an option depending on how things shake out for each team. Celtics make a run, Indiana fills out some of their major holes and the Kings start a reboot under new ownership.

Thoughts?

[Celtics4ever]

DMC is a headcase and Granger is broken down.   If your going to go for the fences I would get less risky SF.

I don't know that the other teams would do it, especially the Kings.

[connor]

DMC is a headcase and Granger is broken down.   If your going to go for the fences I would get less risky SF.

I don't know that the other teams would do it, especially the Kings.

Theres no way to bring in the kind of talent that we would need to put ourselves in a position to challenge the Heat/Pacers or whomever comes out of the West unless we are willing to take on guys with risk.

I think DMC is far less of a risk because his issues are all behavioural. He just needs to grow up.

Granger is obviously a major risk, but he has more than enough time to get healthy/strong and if he goes out and blows his knee in game 1 at least his contract is expiring.

I admit the Kings deal might be a stretch, but they've considered similar deals when DMC has acted up. It all comes down to what direction the new owners want to take. I think either Cousins or Evans has to go though for that team to move forward and Evans isn't going to fetch much on the trade market.

It all comes down to what other teams have to offer, but I think in a vacuum they work (or are close to working).

[kg_ginotime]

The issue is the level of risk. You're moving every young asset not named Rondo and a first round pick in what is highly regarded to be a fantastic draft for DMC, Granger and Salmons.

Best case scenario, it works out, DMC grows up and becomes the beast he should be and Granger spells Pierce for long minutes before taking over starter duties in a couple of years.

Unfortunately, the risk is too great that DMC remains an arrogant man-child, Granger's knees wont support him and DMC will walk for nothing if anyone else will have him and we're stuck with the expensive untradeable contracts of Granger and Salmons.

[gpap]

Interesting idea. I certainly like it for the Celts, because they certainly stack up on the 3 position, to give Pierce more resting time leading into the playoffs.

Plus, getting a legit center in DMC is the biggest need for the team.

I think Indiana possibly does this but I am not so sure about Sacramento.

They may hold out for a bigger return than Bradley, Green, Melo and a couple picks.

I think if you replace Bradley with Rondo, it could work

Btw, I hope you don't mind, your creative idea gave me a trade idea which I wrote a new thread about, regarding dealing with just Indiana. The main part of the deal is shipping Rondo for Hibbert

[connor]

The issue is the level of risk. You're moving every young asset not named Rondo and a first round pick in what is highly regarded to be a fantastic draft for DMC, Granger and Salmons.

Best case scenario, it works out, DMC grows up and becomes the beast he should be and Granger spells Pierce for long minutes before taking over starter duties in a couple of years.

Unfortunately, the risk is too great that DMC remains an arrogant man-child, Granger's knees wont support him and DMC will walk for nothing if anyone else will have him and we're stuck with the expensive untradeable contracts of Granger and Salmons.

I'll give you that Granger's knees are shaky at best, but obviously I wouldn't do the deal unless I thought based on his health that it would be reasonably possible he makes it through the whole season (with his minutes managed accordingly). But his contract is by no means untradeable, there are teams that will come calling looking for cap room and Granger's contract is 14m thats expiring. And even if there are no good deals we could just take the cap room ourselves.

I don't think that DMC is unsalvageable at all. Kid is 22, plenty of time to mature and the Celtics can provide the best environment for him to do that with a veteran locker room and player's coach.

I'd move Green, Bradley and our 2014 pick any day for a chance at DMC. He is a building block big man talent wise, I'd gamble that he grows up. Green could develop into a top SF or he could continue to yoyo up and down. Bradley might just be a one dimensional guy or he may find his offensive game with Rondo back. And our 2014 pick probably isn't in the lottery and at that point its a crapshoot anyway no matter how stacked the class is.

I'd rather take a chance on a young talented big than the young assets we would have to give up to get him. Its a risk either way.