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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2013, 10:34:20 PM »

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Didn't he say he disliked working with Rondo and felt like crap sitting in the bench over Avery Bradley at one point?


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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2013, 10:36:36 PM »

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He has a point...

How does he have a point when the contract the Celtics offered was far superior? No problem if you personally don't know I'm just asking. I don't think THAT is a point in his favor at all. If his answer was," Hey, I was sick of them trying to trade me and I felt Miami wouldn't do that to me so it was worth less money," I'd think that was honest and to the point.

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« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2013, 10:39:11 PM »

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He has a point...

How does he have a point when the contract the Celtics offered was far superior? No problem if you personally don't know I'm just asking. I don't think THAT is a point in his favor at all. If his answer was," Hey, I was sick of then trying to trade me and I got felt Miami wouldn't do that to me so it was worth less money," I'd think that was honest and to the point.

He said he felt like he had more in the tank and the Celts wanted to start Bradley instead of Allen of course he get mad, he wanted $9 million a year but the Celts only offered $6 million

Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2013, 10:42:33 PM »

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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2013, 10:45:17 PM »

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Oh thanks for pointing that out bro.

NON-NEWS. Still a traitor. Let's move on!


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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2013, 11:14:42 PM »

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The more I hear of Ray's side of the story the more I think I would dislike him as a person. The reasons keep changing and he doesn't know when to stop talking. Him leaving didn't bother me, but all the talking really has me annoyed.
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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2013, 11:33:58 PM »

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Seems like kind of an oversensitive, delusional priss to me.
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« Reply #37 on: June 06, 2013, 12:17:57 AM »

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I don't know that I agree. I dislike him for how he handled the situation but, at the end of the day, he is a legend. Can't blame him for being sensitive in such a situation. And delusional implies the opposite - he misunderstood the situation. He is one or the other... certainly sensitive, but seems relatively normative for a professional at his level. Just felt he deserved more respect.
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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2013, 01:28:34 AM »

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Being a "Ginobili" in Boston is not good enough for him, but being less than a Ginobili in Miami is ok?
Low IQ, delusional, disrespectful.
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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #39 on: June 06, 2013, 02:36:16 AM »

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Going to a rival team because they have a better chance at winning

Total loser mentality ....

F U Ray

This is pretty much how I see it.

I understand ring-chasing and wanting to play in the big games, even as a role player.  I'm sure Antoine Walker enjoyed contributing off the bench as a champion role player more than a Cinderella run that led to a solid defeat in the ECF.  At least I can understand that point of view, wanting to be in the big games.

That POV does seem to reject a lot of what we like about sports, like team rivalries to cheer for and so on. 

Another ring, more points and 3 pointers in the books, and likely another title for Ray, but only fans of the individual player are likely to appreciate that.

But I'm not fan of that player, Mr. Allen.

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« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2013, 03:04:16 AM »

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Going to a rival team because they have a better chance at winning

Total loser mentality ....

F U Ray

This is pretty much how I see it.

I understand ring-chasing and wanting to play in the big games, even as a role player.  I'm sure Antoine Walker enjoyed contributing off the bench as a champion role player more than a Cinderella run that led to a solid defeat in the ECF.  At least I can understand that point of view, wanting to be in the big games.

That POV does seem to reject a lot of what we like about sports, like team rivalries to cheer for and so on. 

Another ring, more points and 3 pointers in the books, and likely another title for Ray, but only fans of the individual player are likely to appreciate that.

But I'm not fan of that player, Mr. Allen.

That's probably one of the biggest differences between being a spectator and a player. Fans often hate the outcome of free agency.
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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2013, 03:45:22 AM »

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He was pretty disrespected while here.  There is a clear difference in how Boston has treated Kevin Garnett and how Boston has treated Ray Allen.  The Celtics have treated KG like he's an important part of this franchise who deserves respect.  The only time I ever really heard KG's name come up in trade rumors was that nonsensical Clippers thing this year that was completely overblown and never came close to happening... and I'm sure if it had any basis in reality, the team was open with KG from the start and made it HIS decision.  On the flip side, Ray had been treated like an afterthought trade chip since he first arrived.  As far back as 2009, Danny was trying to dump him for a young upgrade.  We came close to trading him multiple times... and apparently we were so close to trading him last year for OJ Mayo that Ray was told it was a done deal.

Is it really that hard to see it from his perspective?  Say you're a future hall of famer.  Say you're one of the greatest shooters ever.  Say you were a huge part in bringing a title to a franchise who had been irrelevant 20 years.  Now say that despite this, the GM of the team sees you nothing more than a trade chip.  Say some hot-head young pup is now the leader of the team and doesn't respect you.  Say despite your many ridiculously clutch game-saving performances and key function in the team's offense, the coach of the team has lost confidence in you and has decided to bench you for some unproven undersized late 1st rounder who was a d-leaguer the year before.  Say the fanbase frequently blames your "streaky shooting" for all the team's problems and every fan forum is packed with ways to get value for your "expiring contract".  Say you get a call that you're being traded to some dump of a franchise and to pack your bags... then 20 minutes later "er, nevermind... the other team decided they didn't want you... go back to work, soldier"...   Say free agency hits and the team doesn't bother to visit you in person... say the team signs some inferior undersized shooting guard just as poor defensively and just as old... and someone who very likely will be fighting you for bench minutes.  Say they reluctantly finally offer you a contract paying you 50% of what you made the previous year... And say that the team is on the verge of a mediocre .500 win season. 

Why would you go back?  If you weren't an obsessive fan of the franchise like you and I, you probably wouldn't bother returning.  Not if you respected yourself.  You'd be like "The heck with that team... it's time for a change".  There was really no reason for Ray to return here considering how he was treated.  I know we are Boston fans and we all bleed green and can't imagine anyone passing on the opportunity to play for this franchise, but Ray Allen didn't owe us squat.  He didn't need to be loyal to us... we traded for him in 2007-08 and floated him the very next year at the deadline.  He could see our run was already over and he only had a couple years left in him.  We wanted to stick him on the bench and let him fight for minutes with Jason Terry and Courtney Lee (supposedly we met with him a day after Ray signed with Miami, but I had been hearing rumors that we wanted him even prior to Ray's decision)... There was nothing left for him here.  Why fight for minutes with Jason Terry for who gets the honor of backing up lowly Avery Bradley on a potential 41 win Celtic team.

Meanwhile, a great opportunity opened up for him in Miami... a team that had a strong need for his skillset.  A pretty perfect fit.  A chance to contend for a championship and contribute.  Had Ray signed with Oklahoma City or San Antonio, I guess nobody here would have cared as much.  Unfortunately, Celtic fans like to imagine Miami as their rival, because they happened to be the team who eliminated us two years in a row.  I mean, at least it wasn't the Lakers.  I would have hated it a lot more if he had gone to the Knicks.  Miami made him feel welcome.  It's a chance for him to add to his legacy as one of the greatest guards of all time.  He served his time with an unappreciative Boston...

In 2009, there were rumors we were trying to package him with Rondo and send him to Detroit for Rip Hamilton, Prince and Suckey.

In 2010, there were rumors we were trying to send him to Golden State for Ellis or Sacramento for Kevin Matin

In 2011, there were rumors we were sending him to the Bulls for some drivel.

In 2012, we traded him for OJ Mayo and a draft pick, but Memphis backed out 20 minutes later.


You can't blame him for wanting to finally pick his own destiny.  The sooner you start to respect LeBron's talents and brush aside the fact that the Heat just happened to be the team to eliminate us twice, the sooner you can forgive Ray and stop calling him a traitor.

I mean really... Miami isn't a rival to me.  In the early 2000s, we lost back-to-back playoffs vs the Nets followed by back-to-back playoffs to the Pacers... and yet I really don't consider the Nets or Pacers to be major rivals to the Celtics.  They were just better teams at the time.  Same here with Miami.  Get over it. 

 
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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2013, 04:11:43 AM »

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He was pretty disrespected while here.  There is a clear difference in how Boston has treated Kevin Garnett and how Boston has treated Ray Allen.  The Celtics have treated KG like he's an important part of this franchise who deserves respect.  The only time I ever really heard KG's name come up in trade rumors was that nonsensical Clippers thing this year that was completely overblown and never came close to happening... and I'm sure if it had any basis in reality, the team was open with KG from the start and made it HIS decision.  On the flip side, Ray had been treated like an afterthought trade chip since he first arrived.  As far back as 2009, Danny was trying to dump him for a young upgrade.  We came close to trading him multiple times... and apparently we were so close to trading him last year for OJ Mayo that Ray was told it was a done deal.

Is it really that hard to see it from his perspective?  Say you're a future hall of famer.  Say you're one of the greatest shooters ever.  Say you were a huge part in bringing a title to a franchise who had been irrelevant 20 years.  Now say that despite this, the GM of the team sees you nothing more than a trade chip.  Say some hot-head young pup is now the leader of the team and doesn't respect you.  Say despite your many ridiculously clutch game-saving performances and key function in the team's offense, the coach of the team has lost confidence in you and has decided to bench you for some unproven undersized late 1st rounder who was a d-leaguer the year before.  Say the fanbase frequently blames your "streaky shooting" for all the team's problems and every fan forum is packed with ways to get value for your "expiring contract".  Say you get a call that you're being traded to some dump of a franchise and to pack your bags... then 20 minutes later "er, nevermind... the other team decided they didn't want you... go back to work, soldier"...   Say free agency hits and the team doesn't bother to visit you in person... say the team signs some inferior undersized shooting guard just as poor defensively and just as old... and someone who very likely will be fighting you for bench minutes.  Say they reluctantly finally offer you a contract paying you 50% of what you made the previous year... And say that the team is on the verge of a mediocre .500 win season. 

Why would you go back?  If you weren't an obsessive fan of the franchise like you and I, you probably wouldn't bother returning.  Not if you respected yourself.  You'd be like "The heck with that team... it's time for a change".  There was really no reason for Ray to return here considering how he was treated.  I know we are Boston fans and we all bleed green and can't imagine anyone passing on the opportunity to play for this franchise, but Ray Allen didn't owe us squat.  He didn't need to be loyal to us... we traded for him in 2007-08 and floated him the very next year at the deadline.  He could see our run was already over and he only had a couple years left in him.  We wanted to stick him on the bench and let him fight for minutes with Jason Terry and Courtney Lee (supposedly we met with him a day after Ray signed with Miami, but I had been hearing rumors that we wanted him even prior to Ray's decision)... There was nothing left for him here.  Why fight for minutes with Jason Terry for who gets the honor of backing up lowly Avery Bradley on a potential 41 win Celtic team.

Meanwhile, a great opportunity opened up for him in Miami... a team that had a strong need for his skillset.  A pretty perfect fit.  A chance to contend for a championship and contribute.  Had Ray signed with Oklahoma City or San Antonio, I guess nobody here would have cared as much.  Unfortunately, Celtic fans like to imagine Miami as their rival, because they happened to be the team who eliminated us two years in a row.  I mean, at least it wasn't the Lakers.  I would have hated it a lot more if he had gone to the Knicks.  Miami made him feel welcome.  It's a chance for him to add to his legacy as one of the greatest guards of all time.  He served his time with an unappreciative Boston...

In 2009, there were rumors we were trying to package him with Rondo and send him to Detroit for Rip Hamilton, Prince and Suckey.

In 2010, there were rumors we were trying to send him to Golden State for Ellis or Sacramento for Kevin Matin

In 2011, there were rumors we were sending him to the Bulls for some drivel.

In 2012, we traded him for OJ Mayo and a draft pick, but Memphis backed out 20 minutes later.


You can't blame him for wanting to finally pick his own destiny.  The sooner you start to respect LeBron's talents and brush aside the fact that the Heat just happened to be the team to eliminate us twice, the sooner you can forgive Ray and stop calling him a traitor.

I mean really... Miami isn't a rival to me.  In the early 2000s, we lost back-to-back playoffs vs the Nets followed by back-to-back playoffs to the Pacers... and yet I really don't consider the Nets or Pacers to be major rivals to the Celtics.  They were just better teams at the time.  Same here with Miami.  Get over it.

Go back further:  Ray was traded here against his personal desires, and KG had to agree to an extension before the trade here could happen.

Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2013, 04:35:20 AM »

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What he said:

"That’s the way I felt and it was like, if you are going to come and not put out a good contract on the table then, hey, we gotta think about going somewhere else."

What he really meant to say:

"That’s the way I felt and it was like, if you are going to come and put a better contract on the table than what any other team is offering then, hey, we gotta think about going to somebody who is offering a far worse contract."

It's sad.  I always thought so highly of Ray.  I always thought of him as being humble - the ultimate professional and the ultimate team player.  A guy who, first and foremost, was all about doing what was best for the team.

Now it's become clear that he has let all of the money and fame go to his head, and suddenly he thinks he is above everybody.  Like he should be the number one focus of the team, above everyone.  Like he should be pampered, be sent flowers every day, get weekly gifts, have a statue built at the Garden in his honour.

Honest, get over yourself.

Ever sincethe big 3 game together Ray Allen always was the least important.  Paul was always the offensive leader.  Kevin was always the defensive leader.  He finished up a contract year in poor fashion - stuggling mightilly through the end of the regular season, being outplayed by a 21 year, second year role player, and (if you believe what you hear) making things difficult in the locker room.

Then the next season the team offers him a contract with more money and more years than any other playoff team in the NBA is offering AND a no trade clause on top of that (which only a handful of players in the NBA have).  The guy turns that down, and then publically bags out the same team putting a poor contract on the table?

Wow. 

It's like that feeling you get when you have a close friend you've known for 20 years and trusted all your life, only to find out he had an affair with your wife and never told you. Pure disgust

The guy always made a major deal about the threats to trade him, etc.  If Pat Riley was offered a talented young stud in return for Ray Allen, do you really think he would hessitate to send Ray packing?

Ray is preaching loyalty, only to go join one of the dirtiest players in history (Wade) and two guys famous for dumping the teams that invested everything in them (Bosh and Lebron).  Then he does the very same thing by leaving Boston and going to the greatest arch rival.

It's like Bill Gate's (when he was still running Microsoft) right hand man being offered $400M to stay there for three more years, then running off to work at Apple for $100M...then complaining that Microsoft didn't offer him enough.

What a tool. 
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Re: Ray Allen Merged Threads
« Reply #44 on: June 06, 2013, 04:53:07 AM »

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old article but while I think Ray was honest, I think he should have added he didn't like being almost traded more than once and coming off tha bench behind Bradley. His quote suggests his decision was more about his family and friends wanting to see him in a better situation but he left coming off tha bench in Boston to coming off tha bench in Miami. So I don't see where Ray did himself a favor there.

Ray was a free agent so he had tha choice to go wherever he felt was best but he also had tha choice to re-sign where he was offered more money than where he went. Boston wanted Ray to return but he dismissed loyalty to tha city, tha fans, Paul, KG, and Doc, to go to our current biggest rival.

He was upset about being eliminated in game 7 but yet joined tha team that eliminated him (and tha Celtics). You would think he would return here and want to beat tha Heat tha following year but he bailed and became a member of tha Heat. I don't blame Ray for being a free agent but tha fact that he left to join our rival (and for less money) shows me his decision was partially selfish.
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