Ray Allen Merged Threads

[Chris]

Do we know for sure the specifics of the offer the C's made?  Do we know what was guaranteed?  Do we know if there really was a true, no-trade clause?

Without knowing this from a very reputable source, I just find it hard to get on him for the comment about the contract.

And of course overall, I don't blame him one bit for leaving.  The C's did not show any loyalty to him (nor should they have), so, he had no obligation to them.  Good for him to go to a better team in a heck of a nicer city to spend the winter in.

[Monkhouse]

Do we know for sure the specifics of the offer the C's made?  Do we know what was guaranteed?  Do we know if there really was a true, no-trade clause?

Without knowing this from a very reputable source, I just find it hard to get on him for the comment about the contract.

And of course overall, I don't blame him one bit for leaving.  The C's did not show any loyalty to him (nor should they have), so, he had no obligation to them.  Good for him to go to a better team in a heck of a nicer city to spend the winter in.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8552139/ray-allen-left-boston-celtics-no-trade-clause-table

This is what I seriously dislike.

Why does Ray get all this special treatment? Cause we felt bad we were trying to trade him? That is HOW business works. I don't care if he left, just don't make excuses. Admit the truth! You hurt your brothers in arms, then expect to be welcomed by the Celtics when you retire? Keep dreamin', not everyone is as delusional as Ray.

So how come Pierce is always cut as the middle men? Never given a no trade clause, dangled in trades multiple times at his tenure with the C's before the Big 3 came. KG/Allen got to throw the first pitch for the C's. Both given no trade clauses, and contracts stretched out despite their old age.

All I want Ray to do is at LEAST be honest. If you respected the fans, and your 'brothers.' At least say, "I hated the organization for constantly trying to trade me. I don't like Rondo, he's a terrible leader, and can't control a locker room. And why am I being benched behind Bradley, a no name, who has yet to prove anything?"

"What about Manu Ginobli doing the same thing as you?"

Ray Allen shakes violently. "Next question."

The funny thing is after everything is all said and done. I guarantee Ray will admit the truth, but by then it'll be too late. And no one will care enough.

[csfansince60s]

....  The C's did not show any loyalty to him (nor should they have), so, he had no obligation to them. 

If reports are true and some combination of Doc/KG/PP nixed the trade for Mayo, don't you think that he owes them just a little something....a phone call, an explanation, any small token of loyalty and appreciation?

[CelticG1]

I thought Ray still had some left in the tank. Apparently not tho.

He's on a better team, playing fewer minutes, gettijg more open looks and has still looked like toast

Last 2 seasons with the Celts he shot better from 3, had a higher fg% and was playing almost 10 minutes a game more.

[BballTim]

He has a point...

How does he have a point when the contract the Celtics offered was far superior? No problem if you personally don't know I'm just asking. I don't think THAT is a point in his favor at all. If his answer was," Hey, I was sick of then trying to trade me and I got felt Miami wouldn't do that to me so it was worth less money," I'd think that was honest and to the point.

He said he felt like he had more in the tank and the Celts wanted to start Bradley instead of Allen of course he get mad, he wanted $9 million a year but the Celts only offered $6 million

  Pretty sure that's what I'd do if I felt that I had more in the tank, go to a team where I was all but guaranteed to play fewer minutes and have a smaller role.

Hey id rather play back up to Wade then to Bradley and as for roles and minutes they are abbout the same

  He played 10 mpg less during the season this year and 10 mpg less during the playoffs. Wanting to back up Wade is nothing more than an ego thing, clearly there would be more minutes available backing up Bradley.

[Moranis]

Obviously that story is from right before the season started, but when you couple it with the other stories out there (like the one from ESPN posted on page 2 of this thread) it seems pretty obvious that Allen felt marginalized where he was once revered.  I mean according to Allen, Doc didn't even call him to tell him he wants him back whereas two years prior he got numerous calls from Doc.  It is also obvious that something happened in that locker-room.  Maybe there was a personality clash between Rondo and Allen and the rest of the team went with Rondo, maybe Allen just had too much pride to come off bench behind a guy like Bradley (i.e. young guy that can't hit the broad side of a barn), who knows but something happened and it was more than just they might trade me.

[CapnDunks]

It's not honest because he's complaining about a better contract not  being a good enough contract.

He can make his own decisions, but this is some reality tv BS. Shut Ray up.

After hearing Ray talk about Pierce being "at the mercy" of the C's. I'm 100% in favor of letting PP playout his contract and proudly retire in green(unless he requests a trade). Shut Ray up.

[SHAQATTACK]

boo

 

[kozlodoev]

That's probably the most honest we've heard Ray.  He made the decision because he felt slighted by the team.

This is a 2012 article. And it's full of it: he's trying to justify departure with being able to "give more", yet ended up with the Heat in exactly the same role and contribution he had with the Celtics.

Let's just call this what it was, a frontrunner move, and let it die in peace. Come on.

[Fafnir]

That's probably the most honest we've heard Ray.  He made the decision because he felt slighted by the team.

This is a 2012 article. And it's full of it: he's trying to justify departure with being able to "give more", yet ended up with the Heat in exactly the same role and contribution he had with the Celtics.

Let's just call this what it was, a frontrunner move, and let it die in peace. Come on.

Yup, which is fine.

I'm sure it feels better to be a roleplayer on the title favorite than a role player on just another playoff team.

[The Rondo Show]

Can't stand this man

[LarBrd33]

He was pretty disrespected while here.  There is a clear difference in how Boston has treated Kevin Garnett and how Boston has treated Ray Allen.  The Celtics have treated KG like he's an important part of this franchise who deserves respect.  The only time I ever really heard KG's name come up in trade rumors was that nonsensical Clippers thing this year that was completely overblown and never came close to happening... and I'm sure if it had any basis in reality, the team was open with KG from the start and made it HIS decision.  On the flip side, Ray had been treated like an afterthought trade chip since he first arrived.  As far back as 2009, Danny was trying to dump him for a young upgrade.  We came close to trading him multiple times... and apparently we were so close to trading him last year for OJ Mayo that Ray was told it was a done deal.

Is it really that hard to see it from his perspective?  Say you're a future hall of famer.  Say you're one of the greatest shooters ever.  Say you were a huge part in bringing a title to a franchise who had been irrelevant 20 years.  Now say that despite this, the GM of the team sees you nothing more than a trade chip.  Say some hot-head young pup is now the leader of the team and doesn't respect you.  Say despite your many ridiculously clutch game-saving performances and key function in the team's offense, the coach of the team has lost confidence in you and has decided to bench you for some unproven undersized late 1st rounder who was a d-leaguer the year before.  Say the fanbase frequently blames your "streaky shooting" for all the team's problems and every fan forum is packed with ways to get value for your "expiring contract".  Say you get a call that you're being traded to some dump of a franchise and to pack your bags... then 20 minutes later "er, nevermind... the other team decided they didn't want you... go back to work, soldier"...   Say free agency hits and the team doesn't bother to visit you in person... say the team signs some inferior undersized shooting guard just as poor defensively and just as old... and someone who very likely will be fighting you for bench minutes.  Say they reluctantly finally offer you a contract paying you 50% of what you made the previous year... And say that the team is on the verge of a mediocre .500 win season. 

Why would you go back?  If you weren't an obsessive fan of the franchise like you and I, you probably wouldn't bother returning.  Not if you respected yourself.  You'd be like "The heck with that team... it's time for a change".  There was really no reason for Ray to return here considering how he was treated.  I know we are Boston fans and we all bleed green and can't imagine anyone passing on the opportunity to play for this franchise, but Ray Allen didn't owe us squat.  He didn't need to be loyal to us... we traded for him in 2007-08 and floated him the very next year at the deadline.  He could see our run was already over and he only had a couple years left in him.  We wanted to stick him on the bench and let him fight for minutes with Jason Terry and Courtney Lee (supposedly we met with him a day after Ray signed with Miami, but I had been hearing rumors that we wanted him even prior to Ray's decision)... There was nothing left for him here.  Why fight for minutes with Jason Terry for who gets the honor of backing up lowly Avery Bradley on a potential 41 win Celtic team.

Meanwhile, a great opportunity opened up for him in Miami... a team that had a strong need for his skillset.  A pretty perfect fit.  A chance to contend for a championship and contribute.  Had Ray signed with Oklahoma City or San Antonio, I guess nobody here would have cared as much.  Unfortunately, Celtic fans like to imagine Miami as their rival, because they happened to be the team who eliminated us two years in a row.  I mean, at least it wasn't the Lakers.  I would have hated it a lot more if he had gone to the Knicks.  Miami made him feel welcome.  It's a chance for him to add to his legacy as one of the greatest guards of all time.  He served his time with an unappreciative Boston...

In 2009, there were rumors we were trying to package him with Rondo and send him to Detroit for Rip Hamilton, Prince and Suckey.

In 2010, there were rumors we were trying to send him to Golden State for Ellis or Sacramento for Kevin Matin

In 2011, there were rumors we were sending him to the Bulls for some drivel.

In 2012, we traded him for OJ Mayo and a draft pick, but Memphis backed out 20 minutes later.


You can't blame him for wanting to finally pick his own destiny.  The sooner you start to respect LeBron's talents and brush aside the fact that the Heat just happened to be the team to eliminate us twice, the sooner you can forgive Ray and stop calling him a traitor.

I mean really... Miami isn't a rival to me.  In the early 2000s, we lost back-to-back playoffs vs the Nets followed by back-to-back playoffs to the Pacers... and yet I really don't consider the Nets or Pacers to be major rivals to the Celtics.  They were just better teams at the time.  Same here with Miami.  Get over it.

Go back further:  Ray was traded here against his personal desires, and KG had to agree to an extension before the trade here could happen.

Poor, poor Ray.  My heart aches for the trials and tribulations that he had to endure while a Boston Celtic.

Somebody hand me the Kleenex.

But that's the thing... he didn't complain.  He didn't pout.  He played injured.  He gave it his all.  Total professional.  And once his contract ended and we failed to use him as a trade chip, you can't blame him for wanting to finish his career on a team that is actually contending and actually wanted him there.

[ScoobyDoo]

So:

1. Ray makes what, about $100 million + in his time with Boston.

2. Raises a banner and is able to compete at the highest level every year. Two trips to the finals, deep playoff runs each year.

3. Does hear his name in trade rumors but at the end of the day when push comes to shove, The Celtics brass lays a contract worth twice what your biggest rival offers you, so...

4. You naturally take the lower offer and stick it to your buddies who you walked through the five best years of your career with. Of course.

Ego: He wanted to start and wasn't guaranteed that
Ring chaser: Played through the good times, leave when it gets tough

he has the right to go wherever he wants -but he should just stop talking and play.
   

[Celtics18]

He was pretty disrespected while here.  There is a clear difference in how Boston has treated Kevin Garnett and how Boston has treated Ray Allen.  The Celtics have treated KG like he's an important part of this franchise who deserves respect.  The only time I ever really heard KG's name come up in trade rumors was that nonsensical Clippers thing this year that was completely overblown and never came close to happening... and I'm sure if it had any basis in reality, the team was open with KG from the start and made it HIS decision.  On the flip side, Ray had been treated like an afterthought trade chip since he first arrived.  As far back as 2009, Danny was trying to dump him for a young upgrade.  We came close to trading him multiple times... and apparently we were so close to trading him last year for OJ Mayo that Ray was told it was a done deal.

Is it really that hard to see it from his perspective?  Say you're a future hall of famer.  Say you're one of the greatest shooters ever.  Say you were a huge part in bringing a title to a franchise who had been irrelevant 20 years.  Now say that despite this, the GM of the team sees you nothing more than a trade chip.  Say some hot-head young pup is now the leader of the team and doesn't respect you.  Say despite your many ridiculously clutch game-saving performances and key function in the team's offense, the coach of the team has lost confidence in you and has decided to bench you for some unproven undersized late 1st rounder who was a d-leaguer the year before.  Say the fanbase frequently blames your "streaky shooting" for all the team's problems and every fan forum is packed with ways to get value for your "expiring contract".  Say you get a call that you're being traded to some dump of a franchise and to pack your bags... then 20 minutes later "er, nevermind... the other team decided they didn't want you... go back to work, soldier"...   Say free agency hits and the team doesn't bother to visit you in person... say the team signs some inferior undersized shooting guard just as poor defensively and just as old... and someone who very likely will be fighting you for bench minutes.  Say they reluctantly finally offer you a contract paying you 50% of what you made the previous year... And say that the team is on the verge of a mediocre .500 win season. 

Why would you go back?  If you weren't an obsessive fan of the franchise like you and I, you probably wouldn't bother returning.  Not if you respected yourself.  You'd be like "The heck with that team... it's time for a change".  There was really no reason for Ray to return here considering how he was treated.  I know we are Boston fans and we all bleed green and can't imagine anyone passing on the opportunity to play for this franchise, but Ray Allen didn't owe us squat.  He didn't need to be loyal to us... we traded for him in 2007-08 and floated him the very next year at the deadline.  He could see our run was already over and he only had a couple years left in him.  We wanted to stick him on the bench and let him fight for minutes with Jason Terry and Courtney Lee (supposedly we met with him a day after Ray signed with Miami, but I had been hearing rumors that we wanted him even prior to Ray's decision)... There was nothing left for him here.  Why fight for minutes with Jason Terry for who gets the honor of backing up lowly Avery Bradley on a potential 41 win Celtic team.

Meanwhile, a great opportunity opened up for him in Miami... a team that had a strong need for his skillset.  A pretty perfect fit.  A chance to contend for a championship and contribute.  Had Ray signed with Oklahoma City or San Antonio, I guess nobody here would have cared as much.  Unfortunately, Celtic fans like to imagine Miami as their rival, because they happened to be the team who eliminated us two years in a row.  I mean, at least it wasn't the Lakers.  I would have hated it a lot more if he had gone to the Knicks.  Miami made him feel welcome.  It's a chance for him to add to his legacy as one of the greatest guards of all time.  He served his time with an unappreciative Boston...

In 2009, there were rumors we were trying to package him with Rondo and send him to Detroit for Rip Hamilton, Prince and Suckey.

In 2010, there were rumors we were trying to send him to Golden State for Ellis or Sacramento for Kevin Matin

In 2011, there were rumors we were sending him to the Bulls for some drivel.

In 2012, we traded him for OJ Mayo and a draft pick, but Memphis backed out 20 minutes later.


You can't blame him for wanting to finally pick his own destiny.  The sooner you start to respect LeBron's talents and brush aside the fact that the Heat just happened to be the team to eliminate us twice, the sooner you can forgive Ray and stop calling him a traitor.

I mean really... Miami isn't a rival to me.  In the early 2000s, we lost back-to-back playoffs vs the Nets followed by back-to-back playoffs to the Pacers... and yet I really don't consider the Nets or Pacers to be major rivals to the Celtics.  They were just better teams at the time.  Same here with Miami.  Get over it.

Go back further:  Ray was traded here against his personal desires, and KG had to agree to an extension before the trade here could happen.

Poor, poor Ray.  My heart aches for the trials and tribulations that he had to endure while a Boston Celtic.

Somebody hand me the Kleenex.

But that's the thing... he didn't complain.  He didn't pout.  He played injured.  He gave it his all.  Total professional.  And once his contract ended and we failed to use him as a trade chip, you can't blame him for wanting to finish his career on a team that is actually contending and actually wanted him there.

But, he sure has been doing a lot of complaining since he left.  I've been over his leaving for a while now.  It's when he keeps talking about it that I get annoyed. 

Move on, Ray.  We have. 

[TripleOT]

The Cs should have cut him loose when they could have gotten something for him.  Benedict Allen purposely weakened his old team by signing that (what will be a) one year chump change deal with Miami instead of making Miami pay him real money and orchestrate a S and T with Boston. 

Ainge should have shipped him out at the trade deadline in 2012.  He's been a turnstyle defensively for Miami in the playoffs, and scored only 51 points on 52 shots in the Indy series.  In that series, Allen shot 16 for 52, 30% overall, including 10 for 29 from 3, 34%, which is pretty bad, considering he's been wide open for a lot of his shots.