Shane Larkin is getting a hard hard look at from the Celtics

[Monkhouse]

Now I don't know how I feel about this seeing as he's projected to be a late to mid first round pick.

I'd prefer us to get Siva, who'd be just as serviceable, and useful considering his height, whereas Shane is clearly more athletic and quicker, but isn't as tall which still has its disadvantages.

Now before people say look at Isiah Thomas and Ty Lawson. I don't think height is necessarily a bad thing, but I'd love for us to grab Siva who has a low stock considering he did pretty efficiently well to lead them to that win. Not to mention he has a very good overall game.

What do you guys think if we don't draft a big and go for Shane Larkin? It most likely means a lot of our current roster will be up for trade for a big then.

Link-
http://www.celticslife.com/2013/06/report-celtics-taking-long-look-at.html

I normally don't use Celtics life as most of my info. But sometimes their on and off, so its really up to debate. Plus, I can see DA sort of giving him more of the benefit of doubt if Doc Rivers does give him a recommendation. It doesn't matter if DA doesn't care about familiarity, or friendship. But he has to definitely take into account the chemistry between the two at least.

[hpantazo]

I don't think drafting a big is a necessity. We need to get a big, but it likely won't be through the draft. Any big man we draft won't play this year anyway. When drafting, always go for talent over position. Always.

[Evantime34]

I'm a big Larkin fan, but if we go with him at 16 I won't be happy.

To me the difference between Siva and Larkin is a jump shot. For an undersized point guard, if you can't shoot you are in deep trouble.

[pearljammer10]

Not sure how I feel about all this point guard talking.

[Monkhouse]

I don't think drafting a big is a necessity. We need to get a big, but it likely won't be through the draft. Any big man we draft won't play this year anyway. When drafting, always go for talent over position. Always.

I don't want another undersized guard. Secondly, how can we pick and roll if our bigs aren't competent to pull that off? I'm praying Sullinger comes back to help with that necessity of pick and rolls/rebounding. But we don't need another point guard, we should focus on needs... This team doesn't have superstars, so drafting the best player available unless your packaging them in a trade.

Not sure how I feel about all this point guard talking.

Me neither. Why can't we just get a 2nd draft pick, then draft Siva or some serviceable back up PG? Who knows? Maybe we somehow strike lucky, and get an above average role playing guard.

[Evantime34]

Not sure how I feel about all this point guard talking.

I'd prefer a big or even a wing player as well, but if the Celtics feel like the best player available is a point guard I will begrudgingly be fine with the pick.

Last year (especially in the playoffs) the Celtics showed that they needed a primary ball handler once Rondo went down. A lot of the success they had in the second half of the season was due to Pierce essentially playing the point forward in half court sets. This wore Pierce down and negatively effected his playoff performances. With Rondo just returning from surgery we can't immediately rely on heavy minutes from him, and if we decide to bring back Pierce and run the offense through him he will get hurt sooner rather than later.

[hpantazo]

I don't think drafting a big is a necessity. We need to get a big, but it likely won't be through the draft. Any big man we draft won't play this year anyway. When drafting, always go for talent over position. Always.

I don't want another undersized guard. Secondly, how can we pick and roll if our bigs aren't competent to pull that off? I'm praying Sullinger comes back to help with that necessity of pick and rolls/rebounding. But we don't need another point guard, we should focus on needs... This team doesn't have superstars, so drafting the best player available unless your packaging them in a trade.

Not sure how I feel about all this point guard talking.

Me neither. Why can't we just get a 2nd draft pick, then draft Siva or some serviceable back up PG? Who knows? Maybe we somehow strike lucky, and get an above average role playing guard.

Maybe you missed part if my post. Whatever big we would draft won't be competent to run a pick and roll this year anyway , and likely wont even see the court. We will get bigs through trades and/or free agency. We still have KG , Bass, and Sullinger too. Drafting for needs rarely works out. Drafting for talent usually does. It's all about building assists for trades.

[Monkhouse]

I don't think drafting a big is a necessity. We need to get a big, but it likely won't be through the draft. Any big man we draft won't play this year anyway. When drafting, always go for talent over position. Always.

I don't want another undersized guard. Secondly, how can we pick and roll if our bigs aren't competent to pull that off? I'm praying Sullinger comes back to help with that necessity of pick and rolls/rebounding. But we don't need another point guard, we should focus on needs... This team doesn't have superstars, so drafting the best player available unless your packaging them in a trade.

Not sure how I feel about all this point guard talking.

Me neither. Why can't we just get a 2nd draft pick, then draft Siva or some serviceable back up PG? Who knows? Maybe we somehow strike lucky, and get an above average role playing guard.

Maybe you missed part if my post. Whatever big we would draft won't be competent to run a pick and roll this year anyway , and likely wont even see the court. We will get bigs through trades and/or free agency. We still have KG , Bass, and Sullinger too. Drafting for needs rarely works out. Drafting for talent usually does. It's all about building assists for trades.

No I didn't, and why not? Sully got time as a rookie. Enough of the Doc doesn't play rookies argument blah blah blah. Its getting old and run down. Doc Rivers doesn't play rookies if they have no potential, or just plain out suck.

Dieng/Adams are good at pick and roll, and can certainly grow and develop into good role players. Our problem is that we never ever have a surplus of a big. I don't know which big would be available to us, as there isn't any word on which big we'll be drafting or going after for. But any big we acquire is necessary if KG wants to come back.

I don't mind drafting Larkin, but there are other potential candidates where we don't have to sacrifice our best pick in a long time. A PG is so easy to find. A good big or someone with potential is hard to.

If we don't draft a big we're either a) collecting assets b) trading other players c) Fab Melo has proven his worth, and we're going to keep him as our prospect.

[slamtheking]

I've always believed go for BPA at all times but if there's 2 guys that are roughly equivalent as the BPAs and one fills a need more than the other, take the one that fills the need. 

having said that, I'm not enamored with Larkin to the point where I think he'd be a better option than several bigs that project to be available at our pick.  I do think there's a few of the bigs that could get some time next year.  I'd rather see Danny go that route and sign a back up PG FA.  they're easier to find than a back up big man as FAs

[Tr1boy]

I'm a big Larkin fan, but if we go with him at 16 I won't be happy.

To me the difference between Siva and Larkin is a jump shot. For an undersized point guard, if you can't shoot you are in deep trouble.

i would be happy.  How many over 6'1 foot height pg's are there in the league that are actually good?? How many under that are good? (lots)

Larkin is a complete pg, can score, pass, shoot, defensive player award winner. And prob the most impressive factor can take over games. Enough times i've heard announcers say this when he has played.

I would also be satisfied by drafting Siva. He is an excellent FT shooter with a fluid shooting technique and prob hasn't had the need to shoot alot bc he is pretty hard to stop on the drive. In the nba, he will realize that he is going to need and get his jumper to work. I've rarely seen a player who can really shoot ft well , that cna't at least shoot a mid range jumper at a decent clip.

Two other pg's i wouldn't mind drafting are Pierre Jackson (Nate Robinson) and Ray Mccallum. 

All of these guys have potential to start in the nba one day.

[D.o.s.]

I'm a big Larkin fan, but if we go with him at 16 I won't be happy.

To me the difference between Siva and Larkin is a jump shot. For an undersized point guard, if you can't shoot you are in deep trouble.

i would be happy.  How many over 6'1 foot height pg's are there in the league that are actually good?? How many under that are good? (lots)

Are you serious?

[Monkhouse]

I'm a big Larkin fan, but if we go with him at 16 I won't be happy.

To me the difference between Siva and Larkin is a jump shot. For an undersized point guard, if you can't shoot you are in deep trouble.

i would be happy.  How many over 6'1 foot height pg's are there in the league that are actually good?? How many under that are good? (lots)

Larkin is a complete pg, can score, pass, shoot, defensive player award winner. And prob the most impressive factor can take over games. Enough times i've heard announcers say this when he has played.

I would also be satisfied by drafting Siva. He is an excellent FT shooter with a fluid shooting technique and prob hasn't had the need to shoot alot bc he is pretty hard to stop on the drive. In the nba, he will realize that he is going to need and get his jumper to work. I've rarely seen a player who can really shoot ft well , that cna't at least shoot a mid range jumper at a decent clip.

Two other pg's i wouldn't mind drafting are Pierre Jackson (Nate Robinson) and Ray Mccallum. 

All of these guys have potential to start in the nba one day.

A lot of dominant point guards are over 6'1... Rose/Wall/Rondo isn't exactly over 6'1, but his wing span makes up for it. D-Will, Curry, Tony Parker, George Hill (isn't exactly dominant, but no scrub,) and Westbrook.

Need I go on?

[rondohondo]

Larkin reminds me of a poor mans Deron Williams . He may be small , but he is super quick and has great leaping ability .  From what I saw of him in game action , it looks like he can be a better Nate Robinson .

[Evantime34]

I'm a big Larkin fan, but if we go with him at 16 I won't be happy.

To me the difference between Siva and Larkin is a jump shot. For an undersized point guard, if you can't shoot you are in deep trouble.

i would be happy.  How many over 6'1 foot height pg's are there in the league that are actually good?? How many under that are good? (lots)

Are you serious?

Good point guards that are less than or equal to 6'1 Rondo, Lawson and CP3. Can't think of any others.

[Monkhouse]

I'm a big Larkin fan, but if we go with him at 16 I won't be happy.

To me the difference between Siva and Larkin is a jump shot. For an undersized point guard, if you can't shoot you are in deep trouble.

i would be happy.  How many over 6'1 foot height pg's are there in the league that are actually good?? How many under that are good? (lots)

Are you serious?

Good point guards that are less than or equal to 6'1 Rondo, Lawson and CP3. Can't think of any others.

Isiah Thomas is also a good one. But other than that small point guards usually get harassed constantly.