Kings offering isaish thomas to cavs for #19th pick

[Moranis]

Isiah Thomas is not worth a first round pick.

So great deal for Sacramento if they pull it off.

huh.  Do you think the 19th pick in the draft is going to average 14 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds with a true shooting percentage of 57.4% in just under 27 minutes a game?

If he's on a crap team, then yeah.

The TS% is the thing that isn't easy to replicate.  In fact being on a crap team probably makes that worse as you don't get nearly as many good looks. 

[CelticConcourse]

I want no part of Thompson.  The guy isn't worth the money he's getting paid, and he's just not a very good player at all.  At least Bass and Lee are serviceable.

$6 million dollars a year for 11/7/1/1 twenty-six year old? I'd gladly take that.

[CelticsFan9]

Isiah Thomas is not worth a first round pick.

So great deal for Sacramento if they pull it off.

huh.  Do you think the 19th pick in the draft is going to average 14 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds with a true shooting percentage of 57.4% in just under 27 minutes a game?

If he's on a crap team, then yeah.

The TS% is the thing that isn't easy to replicate.  In fact being on a crap team probably makes that worse as you don't get nearly as many good looks.

Do you think Thomas is a starter on any other team other than Sac?

[CelticsFan9]

I want no part of Thompson.  The guy isn't worth the money he's getting paid, and he's just not a very good player at all.  At least Bass and Lee are serviceable.

$6 million dollars a year for 11/7/1/1 twenty-six year old? I'd gladly take that.

Good for you.

He's also on the books until 2017, with his paycheck rising each year.  For a team that's rebuilding, I don't want that contract.

[Eja117]

If this actually happens it tells me one of the following things....either

Jimmer is rounding into form a lot better than we thought

They're trying to clear out some log jam at the guard spot and are thinking of bringing in Trey Burke or MCW....oorrr Shroeder or Larkin

[CelticConcourse]

I want no part of Thompson.  The guy isn't worth the money he's getting paid, and he's just not a very good player at all.  At least Bass and Lee are serviceable.

$6 million dollars a year for 11/7/1/1 twenty-six year old? I'd gladly take that.

Good for you.

He's also on the books until 2017, with his paycheck rising each year.  For a team that's rebuilding, I don't want that contract.

We're not going to be contending until 2018 and beyond? 

[mmmmm]

Isiah Thomas is not worth a first round pick.

So great deal for Sacramento if they pull it off.

huh.  Do you think the 19th pick in the draft is going to average 14 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds with a true shooting percentage of 57.4% in just under 27 minutes a game?

If he's on a crap team, then yeah.

I'm pretty sure if Thomas goes to a good team he'll still be a productive player.

Like Nate Robinson, the main question there is whether a better team would be willing to deal with the defensive issues that you get having a tiny point guard like that.

I have watched a lot of both Nate and Isaiah (they both attended my alma mater) and I would rate Isaiah as a better overall basketball player.  He doesn't have Nate's explosive bursts of energy, but he's a more consistent, intelligent player on both ends.   

Nate can explode to put up amazing points in a very short amount of time but can also disappear.  Thomas is more consistent, imho.   Also, while Nate has made great strides the last 3 years in improving his skills as a facilitator (his passing / assists have really improved a lot), Thomas has started off his career already as a pretty good facillitator and I would project him to be a better passing guard than Nate in a couple of years.

Defensively, Isaiah, like Nate, gives up height.  But in perimeter defense, being able to front your man is almost more important than height because there is so much value in (a) pressuring the ball to consume shot clock and (b) preventing looks to the interior.  And in those two areas, Isaiah is actually pretty good.   He's also good at fighting past screens when defending off the ball because of his quickness.   He can get brutalized if posted up, though.   And while he has great verticals that allow him to contest shots better than his height would suggest, if he gets flat-footed, he's too short to stop taller players from getting off basically uncontested shots.

I don't think I would want to rely on IT2 as my main, starting PG on a title-contender.  But he's a solid, smart player to have as your backup PG and who can start for you for stretches when your main guy is hurt.   I would definitely rate him over most of the PGs that are being rated in this draft below the middle of the 1st round.   Certainly one or two of those guys will probably pan out and be much better.  But most will not.  Thomas has already proven he can produce at this level.

[Monkhouse]

Then we should send our 16th pick to get Isiah Thomas, and trade the surplus of guards we have to try to get a big.

I've always been a fan of Isiah Thomas. He's the one exception besides CP3 who can really just play smart, and be able to get just enough explosiveness to score while setting his teammates up. I would love him to be in green.

[connor]

I really like Thomas as a bench/role player. I think he has a lot of upside, but some serious flaws/holes in his game that I don't think are ever going to go away.

He might be a better talent what you are getting at 19 this year since he has shown he can handle himself and an nba offense already, but then again he is only under contract for one more year and there will probably be a team out there willing to give him decent money if he keeps playing well.

Compare that to a young prospect you can get at 19, who is more of a gamble, but is also on the rookie wage scale for 4 years and who probably has similar upside.

If I'm Cleveland I'd rather the pick. I'd say a team like the Pacers at 23 though might be willing to bite. They clearly need some PG help and might rather a guy with a couple years experience under his belt to a rookie who they will have to bring along since they are clearly just a few pieces away from a potential finals appearance.

[jdz101]

Heck, trade our pick for him. This draft is a pile of hot mediocrity the way I look at it. Thomas is a player.

[PhoSita]

Isiah Thomas is not worth a first round pick.

So great deal for Sacramento if they pull it off.

huh.  Do you think the 19th pick in the draft is going to average 14 points, 4 assists, 2 rebounds with a true shooting percentage of 57.4% in just under 27 minutes a game?

If he's on a crap team, then yeah.

I'm pretty sure if Thomas goes to a good team he'll still be a productive player.

Like Nate Robinson, the main question there is whether a better team would be willing to deal with the defensive issues that you get having a tiny point guard like that.

I have watched a lot of both Nate and Isaiah (they both attended my alma mater) and I would rate Isaiah as a better overall basketball player.  He doesn't have Nate's explosive bursts of energy, but he's a more consistent, intelligent player on both ends.   

Nate can explode to put up amazing points in a very short amount of time but can also disappear.  Thomas is more consistent, imho.   Also, while Nate has made great strides the last 3 years in improving his skills as a facilitator (his passing / assists have really improved a lot), Thomas has started off his career already as a pretty good facillitator and I would project him to be a better passing guard than Nate in a couple of years.

Defensively, Isaiah, like Nate, gives up height.  But in perimeter defense, being able to front your man is almost more important than height because there is so much value in (a) pressuring the ball to consume shot clock and (b) preventing looks to the interior.  And in those two areas, Isaiah is actually pretty good.   He's also good at fighting past screens when defending off the ball because of his quickness.   He can get brutalized if posted up, though.   And while he has great verticals that allow him to contest shots better than his height would suggest, if he gets flat-footed, he's too short to stop taller players from getting off basically uncontested shots.

I don't think I would want to rely on IT2 as my main, starting PG on a title-contender.  But he's a solid, smart player to have as your backup PG and who can start for you for stretches when your main guy is hurt.   I would definitely rate him over most of the PGs that are being rated in this draft below the middle of the 1st round.   Certainly one or two of those guys will probably pan out and be much better.  But most will not.  Thomas has already proven he can produce at this level.

Solid analysis.  I don't disagree with any of it.