Would you be willing to trade KG or Pierce?

[mmmmm]

I'd like to call out all the people who would rather trade Pierce and KG than keep them here and go for another run.

What exactly makes you think we will get anything done without them that we won't get done with them?

Without them, Rondo and Green will make this team very mediocre. Not garbage, but nothing good. Eventually they will ask for trade and we will be awful for even longer, just because you people think "we are too old" and "we can't compete anymore" even though we had just 3 guys over 30 and those "old guys" were leaders in much of the stats for this team with pretty good stats, unless you think 18-20 ppg is average.

That's not the argument for getting rid of them. Getting rid of them means we get worse, quickly. And actually without those two we'd stink. We wouldn't make the playoffs and we'd be going to the lottery. So if we're going to stink, why not gt something out of it by getting as terrible as possible and be in with a real shot at Wiggins or Parker?

Without KG & PP, we wouldn't stink enough to get into the lottery.   RR+AB+JG+Sully+JET+Lee + the rest is not a title contender.  But if that team stays healthy, it's too good of a core to hit the lottery.  It might even squeak into the playoffs.   You are underestimating just how bad some of the other teams in the East are.

If the goal is to try for the lottery you probably have to tell Rondo to sit the season out.

[fantankerous]

I'd like to call out all the people who would rather trade Pierce and KG than keep them here and go for another run.

What exactly makes you think we will get anything done without them that we won't get done with them?

Without them, Rondo and Green will make this team very mediocre. Not garbage, but nothing good. Eventually they will ask for trade and we will be awful for even longer, just because you people think "we are too old" and "we can't compete anymore" even though we had just 3 guys over 30 and those "old guys" were leaders in much of the stats for this team with pretty good stats, unless you think 18-20 ppg is average.

That's not the argument for getting rid of them. Getting rid of them means we get worse, quickly. And actually without those two we'd stink. We wouldn't make the playoffs and we'd be going to the lottery. So if we're going to stink, why not gt something out of it by getting as terrible as possible and be in with a real shot at Wiggins or Parker?

Except we would not be as bad as you are talking. Rondo, Green, Sully, etc.. are probably good enough to keep us out of any real contention for getting a top 8 pick.

No, that team easily puts us in contention for a top pick.

[kgfor3]

I'd like to call out all the people who would rather trade Pierce and KG than keep them here and go for another run.

What exactly makes you think we will get anything done without them that we won't get done with them?

Without them, Rondo and Green will make this team very mediocre. Not garbage, but nothing good. Eventually they will ask for trade and we will be awful for even longer, just because you people think "we are too old" and "we can't compete anymore" even though we had just 3 guys over 30 and those "old guys" were leaders in much of the stats for this team with pretty good stats, unless you think 18-20 ppg is average.

That's not the argument for getting rid of them. Getting rid of them means we get worse, quickly. And actually without those two we'd stink. We wouldn't make the playoffs and we'd be going to the lottery. So if we're going to stink, why not gt something out of it by getting as terrible as possible and be in with a real shot at Wiggins or Parker?

Except we would not be as bad as you are talking. Rondo, Green, Sully, etc.. are probably good enough to keep us out of any real contention for getting a top 8 pick.

No, that team easily puts us in contention for a top pick.

We will agree to disagree.

[Moranis]

I'd like to call out all the people who would rather trade Pierce and KG than keep them here and go for another run.

What exactly makes you think we will get anything done without them that we won't get done with them?

Without them, Rondo and Green will make this team very mediocre. Not garbage, but nothing good. Eventually they will ask for trade and we will be awful for even longer, just because you people think "we are too old" and "we can't compete anymore" even though we had just 3 guys over 30 and those "old guys" were leaders in much of the stats for this team with pretty good stats, unless you think 18-20 ppg is average.

That's not the argument for getting rid of them. Getting rid of them means we get worse, quickly. And actually without those two we'd stink. We wouldn't make the playoffs and we'd be going to the lottery. So if we're going to stink, why not gt something out of it by getting as terrible as possible and be in with a real shot at Wiggins or Parker?

Without KG & PP, we wouldn't stink enough to get into the lottery.   RR+AB+JG+Sully+JET+Lee + the rest is not a title contender.  But if that team stays healthy, it's too good of a core to hit the lottery.  It might even squeak into the playoffs.   You are underestimating just how bad some of the other teams in the East are.

If the goal is to try for the lottery you probably have to tell Rondo to sit the season out.

that team is not making the playoffs in the eastern conference, especially given Rondo and Sullinger's injury history.  I mean who exactly is going to play center, Sullinger?  Bass? 

That said, Rondo absolutely should be traded and they might as well trade Green, Terry, Bass, and Lee while they are at it.  It is time for a restart.

[Celtics17]

PP and KG have given this franchise their heart and sould but that being said, if it helps the team to trade them then it needs to be considered.

If this team tanks this year and clears cap space while retaining Rondo, Green, Sullinger and AB is there a shot at this kid who will be coming out of Kansas next year? If so, maybe it's worth it. Unfortunately in this league unless you are the Lakers you pretty much have to get really bad before you can add really top tier talent.

[TheBig5]

I feel like we should be trying to trade them, but we also shouldn't trade them away for garbage either. I am certain that Ainge will try his best to get something decent in return for them. Only about a month until we find out what the future of this team will look like.

[chambers]

I'd like to call out all the people who would rather trade Pierce and KG than keep them here and go for another run.

What exactly makes you think we will get anything done without them that we won't get done with them?

Without them, Rondo and Green will make this team very mediocre. Not garbage, but nothing good. Eventually they will ask for trade and we will be awful for even longer, just because you people think "we are too old" and "we can't compete anymore" even though we had just 3 guys over 30 and those "old guys" were leaders in much of the stats for this team with pretty good stats, unless you think 18-20 ppg is average.

That's not the argument for getting rid of them. Getting rid of them means we get worse, quickly. And actually without those two we'd stink. We wouldn't make the playoffs and we'd be going to the lottery. So if we're going to stink, why not gt something out of it by getting as terrible as possible and be in with a real shot at Wiggins or Parker?

Except we would not be as bad as you are talking. Rondo, Green, Sully, etc.. are probably good enough to keep us out of any real contention for getting a top 8 pick.

No, that team easily puts us in contention for a top pick.

We will agree to disagree.

starting 5 of

Rondo(coming back from major surgery)
Bradley
Green
Sully(major surgery)
Bass or other garbage contract salary absorption trade as other big

With bench of

Lee
Terry
Pick
Melo
Randolph

Or combination of scrubs/bad deals we take on for a trade or pick etc..
Is easily bottom 6.
If Danny decides to go the rebuild tank route, he will do it with full force.
Rondo and Green arent enough to.get us to playoffs. Whos going to score off Rondos assists?
We might get Rondo in as a bench allstar. Green might average 20 ppg in 35 mins a night.
really woulsnt be surprised to see danny do a one year mini tank for a top 5 pick then go for broke with
Rondo
Free agent/top 5 pick
Green
Sully
Free agent/top 5 pick

If we could land jabari parker we would be set for the next 10 years.

[BleedGreen1989]

Lets sell our whole team for the hopes of landing a Jabari Parker type.

Then we can draft Parker just like we got the chance to draft Tim Duncan or Kevin Durant! Oh wait a second, that didn't work out so well

[CoachBo]

If the Celtics ever got a good offer instead of the rumor cap clogging, overrated talent we have seen.

Yep, that's my thinking, too.

I expect both to play for the Celtics next year, because I don't expect DA to get an acceptable offer for either of them.

However, sure! I'd trade anybody in the right deal.

This^

I'll trade anybody ... for the right deal.

I haven't heard any rumor or proposed transaction yet that makes much sense, though.

I'd wait until the trade deadline.  'See how the season goes.  At that point, PP's market will be it's broadest, because he'll have value as both an expiring contract to teams squeezed by the cap AND as an 'over the hump' contributor to contending teams, with no real risk for either.

This.

Still think the route to a rebuild-on-the-fly is moving Rondo once he returns from the knee injury.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm not so sure the C's wouldn't be a lottery team without PP and KG.   

I would still watch and cheer , but I wouldn't expect to smell the playoffs,  I would looking for a lottery pick to unfold itself..... unless Rondo suddenly becomes another Curry .   

Depends on WHO could be brought in,   someone YOUNG and BIG to play center like DMC , yes I'd be for it.   

TRading them for second rate role players is a waste of time.  Fans would rather see Pierce and KG , a pair of HOFers lose  than watch more scrubs do nothing.

Get Nerlins.

Danny has some decent role players , but the C's are in a sorry state of affairs with no star s to lead the team when KG and PP disappear.

[wdleehi]

I'm not so sure the C's wouldn't be a lottery team without PP and KG.   

I would still watch and cheer , but I wouldn't expect to smell the playoffs,  I would looking for a lottery pick to unfold itself..... unless Rondo suddenly becomes another Curry .   

Depends on WHO could be brought in,   someone YOUNG and BIG to play center like DMC , yes I'd be for it.   

TRading them for second rate role players is a waste of time.  Fans would rather see Pierce and KG , a pair of HOFers lose  than watch more scrubs do nothing.

Get Nerlins.

Danny has some decent role players , but the C's are in a sorry state of affairs with no star s to lead the team when KG and PP disappear.

I put them on the line.


8th seed or one of the longest odds to win the lotto.



Neither idea has me excited about the prospect of giving those two away. 

[Evantime34]

I am willing to trade KG or Pierce if a fair trade is offered that allows the Celtics to get good assets for the future. If the offers for Pierce or KG are underwhelming bringing them back is not just a good option it is the only option.

[kgainez]

I absolutely. Love the idea of keepin paul and having him come off the bench

[erisred]

I'd like to call out all the people who would rather trade Pierce and KG than keep them here and go for another run.

What exactly makes you think we will get anything done without them that we won't get done with them?

Without them, Rondo and Green will make this team very mediocre. Not garbage, but nothing good. Eventually they will ask for trade and we will be awful for even longer, just because you people think "we are too old" and "we can't compete anymore" even though we had just 3 guys over 30 and those "old guys" were leaders in much of the stats for this team with pretty good stats, unless you think 18-20 ppg is average.

That's not the argument for getting rid of them. Getting rid of them means we get worse, quickly. And actually without those two we'd stink. We wouldn't make the playoffs and we'd be going to the lottery. So if we're going to stink, why not gt something out of it by getting as terrible as possible and be in with a real shot at Wiggins or Parker?

Without KG & PP, we wouldn't stink enough to get into the lottery.   RR+AB+JG+Sully+JET+Lee + the rest is not a title contender.  But if that team stays healthy, it's too good of a core to hit the lottery.  It might even squeak into the playoffs.   You are underestimating just how bad some of the other teams in the East are.

If the goal is to try for the lottery you probably have to tell Rondo to sit the season out.

Yeah, but if Danny *does* trade KG and Pierce I suspect he's going to move some of RR+AB+JG+Sully+JET+Lee+BB, too...and do it for "future assets"...so I could see the C's being very, very, bad.

Like I said earlier though, I doubt either get traded because Danny won't get the deal(s) he'll want.  What I expect is KG and Pierce to be in green next year and some of the alphabet soup listed above to be gone for an SG, Center, and/or PG.

[badshar]

PP and KG have given this franchise their heart and sould but that being said, if it helps the team to trade them then it needs to be considered.

If this team tanks this year and clears cap space while retaining Rondo, Green, Sullinger and AB is there a shot at this kid who will be coming out of Kansas next year? If so, maybe it's worth it. Unfortunately in this league unless you are the Lakers you pretty much have to get really bad before you can add really top tier talent.

What if you don't get him and have to settle for some decent player, not very good, then?
Then not only did you waste KG's and Pierce's possibly last year, but you also ticked off Rondo, Green and others because you didn't get them what you told them you would get them if they purposely lose.