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Highest Potential/Upside Picks possibly available at #16?
« on: May 22, 2013, 06:14:32 PM »

Offline rondohondo

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For me it is

1 ) Giannis Adetokoubo 
2)  Dario Saric
3) Dennis Schroeder
4) Glen Rice JR
5) Shane Larkin
6) Tony Mitchell
7) Rudy Gobert

I put Shabazz at the top of the list if he falls

I would be happy with any of those top 5 guys if drafted , not so sure about Mitchell or Gobert .

Rice Jr and Larkin could help us right away, and still have some upside IMO.

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 06:28:10 PM »

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For me it is

1 ) Giannis Adetokoubo 
2)  Dario Saric
3) Dennis Schroeder
4) Glen Rice JR
5) Shane Larkin
6) Tony Mitchell
7) Rudy Gobert

I put Shabazz at the top of the list if he falls

I would be happy with any of those top 5 guys if drafted , not so sure about Mitchell or Gobert .

Rice Jr and Larkin could help us right away, and still have some upside IMO.

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2013, 07:04:37 PM »

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I think "high potential" and "upside" are, in this case, mostly code for "we have no idea about this guy." That particularly applies to Schroeder, Gobert, Adams, and Adetokoubo. That said, I agree with your list.

Gobert has to have the most potential by definition. He has some physical tools that the NBA hasn't seen since, what, Yao? If everyone in the draft ended up reaching a similar level skill-wise, Gobert would be by far the most valuable.

But wow, what a terrible wager. I mean, basketball-wise he doesn't have much going for him.

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2013, 07:07:31 PM »

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1. Giannis
2. Adams
3. Gobert

I know I am setting myself up for disappointment if Giannis is there because the C's almost never draft who I want them to.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2013, 09:39:35 PM »

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Even if Shabazz is available, I wouldn't put him with the highest upside.  There are questions about his handle, ability to create off the dribble and defense.  He's also not a standout athlete.  I don't see how he has the highest upside besides benefiting from a top high school ranking. 

On pure upside, I'd put Ledo and Giannis over him. 

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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2013, 10:42:45 PM »

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Saric
Schroder
ADams
Gobert
Giannis

Those are the guys people know the least about, and the guys with the highest ceiling. Probably throw Sergey Karasev on the list as well.

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I have yet to see what Giannis is capable of... He is a lanky guard basically. I would like to see where his upside is coming from?

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2013, 11:24:14 PM »

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I have yet to see what Giannis is capable of... He is a lanky guard basically. I would like to see where his upside is coming from?

What's so wrong about a lanky guard?  Does being a lanky guard mean your upside is limited.  He's risky for sure but I just really like him because his basketball IQ looks really high and he can handle the ball. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2013, 11:49:22 PM »

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For me it is

1 ) Giannis Adetokoubo 
2)  Dario Saric
3) Dennis Schroeder
4) Glen Rice JR
5) Shane Larkin
6) Tony Mitchell
7) Rudy Gobert

I put Shabazz at the top of the list if he falls

I would be happy with any of those top 5 guys if drafted , not so sure about Mitchell or Gobert .

Rice Jr and Larkin could help us right away, and still have some upside IMO.

I'd have an almost identical list.
I think Gobert has a tone of promise but I like JoJo next year just ahead of him.
One of these guys is gonna break through at the NBA level.

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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2013, 12:30:42 AM »

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Imo, Caldwell-Pope is up there as well.

He was the focal point of a very weak offense where he faced double teams with almost every touch. He showed the ability to get tough shots off and hit them at a very nice clip considering. He's one of the fastest players in this draft and has pretty good leaping ability. He could be a rip hamilton type, but with better range and athleticism.

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2013, 12:37:51 AM »

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Even if Shabazz is available, I wouldn't put him with the highest upside.  There are questions about his handle, ability to create off the dribble and defense.  He's also not a standout athlete.  I don't see how he has the highest upside besides benefiting from a top high school ranking. 

On pure upside, I'd put Ledo and Giannis over him.

That's why the lie about his age was such a big deal right?

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2013, 12:53:49 AM »

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Even if Shabazz is available, I wouldn't put him with the highest upside.  There are questions about his handle, ability to create off the dribble and defense.  He's also not a standout athlete.  I don't see how he has the highest upside besides benefiting from a top high school ranking. 

On pure upside, I'd put Ledo and Giannis over him.

That's why the lie about his age was such a big deal right?

I don't think so.  Ledo is the same age.  Whether Shabazz is 19 or 20, just strictly on skill and athleticism, I don't see the high upside in him.  You're not a scorer because you're a scorer or because you averaged 18 something points in college.  You have to be able to shoot and get by guys through whatever means.  I don't see that ability from Shabazz.  His stats other than scoring and rebounding are also barren.

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Even if Shabazz is available, I wouldn't put him with the highest upside.  There are questions about his handle, ability to create off the dribble and defense.  He's also not a standout athlete.  I don't see how he has the highest upside besides benefiting from a top high school ranking. 

On pure upside, I'd put Ledo and Giannis over him.

I think with Shabazz his showing at UCLA actually helps his upside a little bit (as it has submarined his draft stock). I'd compare him in some ways to Jrue Holiday, not a great comparison in that Holiday's athletic markers never really moved like Shabazz's did, but that his poor collegiate showing isn't emblematic of his potential as a player. Phrases like 'when he's going left he's a top 5 prospect, when he's going right he's a top 15' should be noted, as they highlight how unrefined he really is.

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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2013, 04:35:47 AM »

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Even if Shabazz is available, I wouldn't put him with the highest upside.  There are questions about his handle, ability to create off the dribble and defense.  He's also not a standout athlete.  I don't see how he has the highest upside besides benefiting from a top high school ranking. 

On pure upside, I'd put Ledo and Giannis over him.

I think with Shabazz his showing at UCLA actually helps his upside a little bit (as it has submarined his draft stock). I'd compare him in some ways to Jrue Holiday, not a great comparison in that Holiday's athletic markers never really moved like Shabazz's did, but that his poor collegiate showing isn't emblematic of his potential as a player. Phrases like 'when he's going left he's a top 5 prospect, when he's going right he's a top 15' should be noted, as they highlight how unrefined he really is.

Jrue played out of position in his only season at UCLA.  He almost never got to run point because of Collison.  That said, I'm not sure that's why his draft stock dropped because even as a two-guard, he showed a shaky handle and questionable decisionmaking, which shouldn't be the case if you're a point guard playing the 2-guard or not.  I didn't think that highly of him and with his improvement this season, that was a definite miss by me.

I've never read the phrase "he's a top 5 pick going left, a top 15 pick going right" with Shabazz.  To me, he isn't good going to his left or right.  His efficiency numbers off the dribble were not good and he mostly drove left so I can't imagine how he looked like a top 5 pick going to his left. 

Shabazz is a real puzzle.  When I saw him play, I didn't think his defense was all that bad.  He moved his feet well laterally and it looked like he put in effort but how in the world did he put up such underwhelming defensive numbers?  At the college level, if you're athletic and an NBA prospect, it's hard to only block 4 shots the entire season (0.1) and average under a steal a game (0.7).  He has a massive wingspan and is a good athlete for college and yet 4 blocks!  His fellow freshman wing teammate Jordan Adams is a worse athlete and he still managed to block 12 shots and average 2.2 steals a game.  I think Shabazz could be a good defender since defensive stats are limited but for his NBA prospects, the lack of steals and blocks puts him in very bad company historically.

And then there's his passing. 0.7 assists a game.  He has the numbers of a black hole and to be sure, he loved to shoot but I thought his vision was fine and he was capable of making the unselfishh play.  At UCLA, he didn't play much pick and roll but I watched a game of him in high school and there he was, playing a lot of pick and roll, in sets that evoked Pierce and creating for himself and his teammates. 

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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2013, 02:09:13 PM »

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I listened to an interesting Pod cast from Chris Ford last night. He made the point that the best upside picks are the guys with elite size for their position and above average athleticism. These are the guys who can develop well above their draft position. An example would be Paul George. As a SF he has average to above average athleticism to go along with a ridiculous 8'11 standing reach (average center is 9'-9'2").

Using that train of thought my highest upside guys would be..

Tony Snell, SG with PF reach (8'9.5") solid athlete, with great outside shot

and

Rudy Gobert, everyone knows he is freakishly long

 
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