Making a case to bring it back one more time....

[BleedGreen1989]

One thing no one mentioned, we can't win a title with this roster we'd be bringing back.  What do you hope to achieve in the long run other than see guys your emotionally attached too play another year.   I would not use the term, "make another run" , because they would not be in the running.

2014 is supposed to be loaded.   I bet DA unloads for pieces and picks.

I wonder how many who supported this recall the eras after Bird or even Cowens.  You'd have to be in late 40's to recall both.

While I see the sentimental value of this, I do not see the basketball value.

I'm not saying this is absolutely what we should do either. Who knows what Danny's options will be this summer.

However, if it's all about winning titles then we should strip this entire team down and start over. Rebuild in the next 5-6 years and let Lebron have his run. As long as this Miami team remains intact, there's no hope for winning a championship anyways

[ManUp]

All your doing is adding more role players to a team with out enough star power. If your goal is to be at the top of the "everyone else" hill then maybe, but if it's to come out the east or compete that roster isn't doing it. This team isn't a few minor moves away from contending. More role players is not the answer.

[pearljammer10]

I dont know I kind of like it.

Dalembert and Udrih would be great additions that fill in big needs off the bench.

I dont think Pierce as a 6th man would work however. I can see more Green and Pierce in the lineup at the same time combos.

Johnson would be a great hustle guy but I wouldnt go out of my way to get him. He would kind of be buried to the bench with KG, Sully, Bass, and Dalembert all looking for minutes ahead of him. He is big and a good rebounder but doesnt have much basketball skill per say.

Im fine with drafting Deng, yet I dont think he makes an immediate impact. I would rather use Bradley and the 16th pick to package for the best legit big man who would be available.

[anthony83]

I think that Pierce should to play as SG, Bradley to the bench and JG as SF, this is the best possible for the Celtics right now. I dude that the Celtics can to  sign a guard better than Pierce, Pierce at 35 is better than 80% of the sg in the league.

One more run, Lee, Bass traded, Kg as PF, and sign a big man, Big Al is the best option via trade, altought Celtics have little money.

[slamtheking]

Maybe I'm delusional. Maybe I have my green goggles on. Maybe I've had way too many Sam Adams tonight. All I can say is that I think, providing a few good moves by Danny, this team can come back in the Eastern conference.

Let's face it, it's Miami and everyone else. Is a healthy Celtics team really that far behind a Chicago or Indiana? Allow me to highlight a few minor things I think would greatly help this team.

1) Convince Pierce to be a sixth man

I think this is extremely important if Danny "runs it back" persay. If Pierce can get his minutes down to about 30 a game, off the bench I feel he can stay fresh and be very effective.

2) Sign Samuel Dalembert

I crunched the trade machine so many times last year trying to figure out a way to get Sammy to Boston. Say his IQ is bad if you want but numbers don't lie (sorry Michael K) Sammy's per36 numbers equal out to about 14points/13rebounds/2.2blocks. He would immediately provide an inside presence this team lacks so bad. He would pair well with KG or Sullinger.

3) Draft Gorgui Dieng

Dieng anchored a defense that led Louisville to a national championship. His combination of defense, rebounding, athleticism, and size would be a great injection into Boston's front line. While his upside may be limited, Dieng can step in immediately and fill a role on this team.

4) Trade one of Crawford, Lee, or Terry for a big

This move does not have to be anybody special, just another big. Maybe Atlanta takes a sign and trade for Ivan Johnson. Johnson is somebody who will simply pound the snot out of you and play good defense. Him and KG would form one nasty front line.

5) Acquire Beno Udrih

The Magic likely have very little interest in bringing Beno back but he could serve a solid role for Boston off the bench. This past season, Udrih averaged 13.3 points and 7.5 assists per 36 minutes and hit on 44.1 percent of his field-goal attempts. He is a career 46.2 percent shooter, and he shot 50 percent from the floor as recently as 2010-11. I'm sure Orlando would entertain the idea of Crawford in a sign and trade instead of losing Beno for nothing.

So let's recap. Boston moves Pierce to the bench in a sixth man role. Signs Samuel Dalembert. Drafts Gorgui Dieng. Adds another big on the bench. Acquires Beno Udrih.

Rondo/Udrih/Williams
Bradley/Pierce/Lee/Terry
Green/Pierce
Sullinger/Bass/Dieng/Johnson
Garnett/Dalembert/Dieng

One more shot, one more chance. Then Boston lets PP and KG retire and their combined 30mill off the books.

#'s 1-3 aren't unreasonable. 

I'd be surprised if we could land a big of any value for any of those guards.  No one really trades quality big for less-than-quality small.

Udrih doesn't really do it for me.  We need a backup PG so I think we could find one that can fill the minutes when Rondo's not on the court.

[manl_lui]

I want to run it back ONE more time.

Rondo and Jeff Green should be the first options and Pierce should just settle for a smaller role. Bradley's offense should be good one Rondo is back.

[LooseCannon]

One thing no one mentioned, we can't win a title with this roster we'd be bringing back.  What do you hope to achieve in the long run other than see guys your emotionally attached too play another year.   I would not use the term, "make another run" , because they would not be in the running.

2014 is supposed to be loaded.   I bet DA unloads for pieces and picks.

I just don't believe those pieces and picks are available.  I also don't think the team will be close to having one of the five worst records, even with a tanking strategy.

If Ainge starts unloading, I think he gets more value in the summer of 2014, so I think he should be willing to wait instead of trying to force deals now.

[BleedGreen1989]

One thing no one mentioned, we can't win a title with this roster we'd be bringing back.  What do you hope to achieve in the long run other than see guys your emotionally attached too play another year.   I would not use the term, "make another run" , because they would not be in the running.

2014 is supposed to be loaded.   I bet DA unloads for pieces and picks.

I just don't believe those pieces and picks are available.  I also don't think the team will be close to having one of the five worst records, even with a tanking strategy.

If Ainge starts unloading, I think he gets more value in the summer of 2014, so I think he should be willing to wait instead of trying to force deals now.

This is the biggest deciding factor for me. I just don't see anybody giving us any 1st round picks or anything better than a couple role players for Pierce. I have yet to see a realistic trade I really like.

[pearljammer10]

I want to run it back ONE more time.

Rondo and Jeff Green should be the first options and Pierce should just settle for a smaller role. Bradley's offense should be good one Rondo is back.

I get why the Pierce taking a smaller role point keeps coming up... Obviously he is older and cant play as many minutes.

But I feel like a lot of people forget that Pierce averaged 18.6, 6, and 5 this year with a steal per game. He shot a bit below his career average but only .436% compared to .447%. His turnovers were actually a tenth of a point lower than his career averages. So does a player with those type of numbers deserve a smaller role? Im not so sure.

With Rondo back Pierce wont have to take control of the offense as much. I still think, as some others have said, that playing Pierce at the two and putting Bradley to the bench is our best option. If we can get the back up PG in Udrih and back up Center in Dalembert our core can be this.

Rondo/Udrih
Pierce/Bradley
Green
KG/Sully
Dalembert

At that point i think Terry, Crawford, Bass, and our 16th pick can be used as bait to net us another serviceable big man. And use our vet min or whatever LLE we have to get a swing bench player.

[rondohondo]

If this is possible

The c's waive PP

A team needs 15 mil in cap space to sign him

he clears waivers because no contender has that kind of cap space.

he resign with boston for vet min

You now have a MLE to use on a big man like Dalembert or Oden

PG: Rondo    / terry
SG: Bradley  / glen rice jr
SF: Green    / PP
PF: Sully    / Bass
 C: KG       / Oden or Dalembert

Maybe Draft Glen Rice JR as a shooter/scorer/rebounder off the bench with the 16th pick ?

[slamtheking]

If this is possible

The c's waive PP

A team needs 15 mil in cap space to sign him

he clears waivers because no contender has that kind of cap space.

he resign with boston for vet min

You now have a MLE to use on a big man like Dalembert or Oden

PG: Rondo    / terry
SG: Bradley  / glen rice jr
SF: Green    / PP
PF: Sully    / Bass
 C: KG       / Oden or Dalembert

Maybe Draft Glen Rice JR as a shooter/scorer/rebounder off the bench with the 16th pick ?

I don't see it.  no reason for PP to come back and play here for vet min when Danny refused to pay him $15 mill.  PP may want to end his career here but not for that much of a ridiculous pay cut.  he's still worth a contract in the 9-10 mill range for the numbers he produced this past year.

[lightspeed5]

dannys going to load up on 2014 draft picks... too many freshman elite players will be in that draft.

[BleedGreen1989]

dannys going to load up on 2014 draft picks... too many freshman elite players will be in that draft.

This idea makes me laugh. Where exactly do you plan on getting all these draft picks and for whom?

[Evantime34]

I want to run it back ONE more time.

Rondo and Jeff Green should be the first options and Pierce should just settle for a smaller role. Bradley's offense should be good one Rondo is back.

I get why the Pierce taking a smaller role point keeps coming up... Obviously he is older and cant play as many minutes.

But I feel like a lot of people forget that Pierce averaged 18.6, 6, and 5 this year with a steal per game. He shot a bit below his career average but only .436% compared to .447%. His turnovers were actually a tenth of a point lower than his career averages. So does a player with those type of numbers deserve a smaller role? Im not so sure.

With Rondo back Pierce wont have to take control of the offense as much. I still think, as some others have said, that playing Pierce at the two and putting Bradley to the bench is our best option. If we can get the back up PG in Udrih and back up Center in Dalembert our core can be this.

Rondo/Udrih
Pierce/Bradley
Green
KG/Sully
Dalembert

At that point i think Terry, Crawford, Bass, and our 16th pick can be used as bait to net us another serviceable big man. And use our vet min or whatever LLE we have to get a swing bench player.

If we run it back this team will probably be around a 4 or 5 seed if everything goes well. Starting Pierce and moving Bradley to the bench could hinder the development of AB and Green. Right now we are in a transition phase, moving Pierce to the bench eases this transition to the younger players. Starting him would hurt the transition by slowing the improvement of Bradley and Green.

An added benefit would be Pierce's scoring off the bench. The Celtics have had trouble with their bench scoring for a long time. Often it is the result of player coming off the bench and deferring to the hall of famers. Pierce coming off the bench would give us a player who wasn't afraid to come in and fire immediately.

[BleedGreen1989]

I want to run it back ONE more time.

Rondo and Jeff Green should be the first options and Pierce should just settle for a smaller role. Bradley's offense should be good one Rondo is back.

I get why the Pierce taking a smaller role point keeps coming up... Obviously he is older and cant play as many minutes.

But I feel like a lot of people forget that Pierce averaged 18.6, 6, and 5 this year with a steal per game. He shot a bit below his career average but only .436% compared to .447%. His turnovers were actually a tenth of a point lower than his career averages. So does a player with those type of numbers deserve a smaller role? Im not so sure.

With Rondo back Pierce wont have to take control of the offense as much. I still think, as some others have said, that playing Pierce at the two and putting Bradley to the bench is our best option. If we can get the back up PG in Udrih and back up Center in Dalembert our core can be this.

Rondo/Udrih
Pierce/Bradley
Green
KG/Sully
Dalembert

At that point i think Terry, Crawford, Bass, and our 16th pick can be used as bait to net us another serviceable big man. And use our vet min or whatever LLE we have to get a swing bench player.

If we run it back this team will probably be around a 4 or 5 seed if everything goes well. Starting Pierce and moving Bradley to the bench could hinder the development of AB and Green. Right now we are in a transition phase, moving Pierce to the bench eases this transition to the younger players. Starting him would hurt the transition by slowing the improvement of Bradley and Green.

An added benefit would be Pierce's scoring off the bench. The Celtics have had trouble with their bench scoring for a long time. Often it is the result of player coming off the bench and deferring to the hall of famers. Pierce coming off the bench would give us a player who wasn't afraid to come in and fire immediately.

Well said. Agree with all your points