why does Doc act like he is doing Celtics a favor

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Plus, lets not forget family is the most important thing in Doc's life. Money isn't a huge issue for him, he's been well compensated and I'm sure he's managed it well. For Doc it has to be a passion every year; and taking a year or two off between jobs is probably very appealing.

I don't think he's doing us a favor in his own mind, I think he's weighing his desires and coming to a decision. It's not like if Doc walked away he'd have to do penance as an assistant somewhere (like Lawrence Frank or Flip Saunders), Doc just has to say, 'Im ready to coach again, and take his pick of what will assuredly be over a dozen offers between college and pro teams.

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This is something I don't think people realize. There's a lot of Doc hatred on this board but if he were ever to hit the open market, the mans phone would ring for days. Must tell you something

I have seen many companies hire CEO's only to fire them later.....and coaches get fired all the time.....I think doc would be hired fast, and fired fast..in one season from most other teams. He only did somewhat good here because of KG.we all saw when kg was out, we went on a losing streak.kg runs this team....a guy like doug Collins did really good with very little players....doc never did better than his players.....

  We also saw the team finish strong without KG in 2009 and almost get to the conference finals.

odd, misplaced comment...we lost to the magic in 2009 with kg......ALMOST......we lost......that counts as a ......LOSS...without kg..thanks for making my point....!

[BballTim]

Plus, lets not forget family is the most important thing in Doc's life. Money isn't a huge issue for him, he's been well compensated and I'm sure he's managed it well. For Doc it has to be a passion every year; and taking a year or two off between jobs is probably very appealing.

I don't think he's doing us a favor in his own mind, I think he's weighing his desires and coming to a decision. It's not like if Doc walked away he'd have to do penance as an assistant somewhere (like Lawrence Frank or Flip Saunders), Doc just has to say, 'Im ready to coach again, and take his pick of what will assuredly be over a dozen offers between college and pro teams.

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This is something I don't think people realize. There's a lot of Doc hatred on this board but if he were ever to hit the open market, the mans phone would ring for days. Must tell you something

I have seen many companies hire CEO's only to fire them later.....and coaches get fired all the time.....I think doc would be hired fast, and fired fast..in one season from most other teams. He only did somewhat good here because of KG.we all saw when kg was out, we went on a losing streak.kg runs this team....a guy like doug Collins did really good with very little players....doc never did better than his players.....

  We also saw the team finish strong without KG in 2009 and almost get to the conference finals.

odd, misplaced comment...we lost to the magic in 2009 with kg......ALMOST......we lost......that counts as a ......LOSS...without kg..thanks for making my point....!

  Without KG and without Powe. Our bigs were Perk and Baby and our bench consisted of Scal, House and Marbury. If that's supposed to be an example of Doc doing poorly without KG then I'd say you've misjudged whether your point was made or not.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

and....went on to BLOW the CHAMPIONSHIP...even though we had it in the bag....look for another micro detail please.Oh wait, there was that ONE game where.....LOL....

[Meadowlark_Scal]

LOT, lost, lost...they LOST.....he achieved another loss.....that is his record, to snatch a loss out of the jaws of victory.....he had a team that should have had more than one.....but not him.....

[CoachBo]

why is he always 'retiring' at the end of the season?

Hs been with the C's for 9 seasons, he doesn't know if KG and pierce will be back each season, it's hard to start over with a new crop of kids after a championship squad. He also has family and this job means you're on the road so much away from home.

Your question...why does doc act like he's doing the C's a favor?

My question...why do so many celtics fans love to burn rivers for every little thing after all he's given to our organization?

Gimme a break.

Quoted for truth.

Fascinating how uncomfortable folks get around here with the idea that their beloved favorites have failed, so they go after Rivers instead.

[mmmmm]

Seeing as I'm bored, I might as well pile on:

Doc has been a head coach for 14 seasons now - but only 13 full (Magic let him go just 11 games in in 2003-04).

In those 13 full seasons, Doc has taken his team to the playoffs 10 times.

That's with three VERY different rosters, mind you.

Those Orlando rosters were crazy - as were the early Boston rosters when he came here.

He won the Atlantic with Boston in 2005 _before_ we got KG.

He's gotten to the ECF or higher 3 times and the NBA Finals twice, winning once.

That's a resume' only a small handful of coaches can match.

Sure, he never got to the higher levels in the playoffs until he got his additional 'studs' in KG & Ray.

But NO COACH ever has gotten far in the playoffs without stars.   That's just the reality that no matter how good of a coach you are, you don't win in the playoffs without elite talent.

Finally, the myth that Doc doesn't play/develop young players is just wrong.  Wrong. Wrong. 

This kind of statement is put forth by folks who just weren't paying attention (or won't bother to check their facts).   The fact is, that Doc relied _heavily_ on and developed a ton of young players in Orlando (Maggette, McGrady, Mike Miller) and again in Boston (Al Jefferson, Perkins, Delonte', Tony Allen, Marcus Banks, Rajon Rondo, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger) all on teams that reached the playoffs!

Yes, there are also a lot of young players who got almost no minutes under Doc.  No young player that Doc ignored has yet to turn up as being 'special' on some other team.

Another fact is that, over recent years, MOST of our draft picks have been in the mid 20s or lower.   And the fact is, in the NBA, the vast majority of picks that low don't pan out.  Over half never play a minute in the NBA.  The vast majority that DO get minutes are just deep bench players.

These complaints seem to come from guys who fell in love with some bench rook who had to suffer the 'injustice' of not getting used by Doc Rivers.    Never mind that the kid just might not be good enough.

SMH

[CelticConcourse]

Seeing as I'm bored, I might as well pile on:

Doc has been a head coach for 14 seasons now - but only 13 full (Magic let him go just 11 games in in 2003-04).

In those 13 full seasons, Doc has taken his team to the playoffs 10 times.

That's with three VERY different rosters, mind you.

Those Orlando rosters were crazy - as were the early Boston rosters when he came here.

He won the Atlantic with Boston in 2005 _before_ we got KG.

He's gotten to the ECF or higher 3 times and the NBA Finals twice, winning once.

That's a resume' only a small handful of coaches can match.

Sure, he never got to the higher levels in the playoffs until he got his additional 'studs' in KG & Ray.

But NO COACH ever has gotten far in the playoffs without stars.   That's just the reality that no matter how good of a coach you are, you don't win in the playoffs without elite talent.

Finally, the myth that Doc doesn't play/develop young players is just wrong.  Wrong. Wrong. 

This kind of statement is put forth by folks who just weren't paying attention (or won't bother to check their facts).   The fact is, that Doc relied _heavily_ on and developed a ton of young players in Orlando (Maggette, McGrady, Mike Miller) and again in Boston (Al Jefferson, Perkins, Delonte', Tony Allen, Marcus Banks, Rajon Rondo, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger) all on teams that reached the playoffs!

Yes, there are also a lot of young players who got almost no minutes under Doc.  No young player that Doc ignored has yet to turn up as being 'special' on some other team.

Another fact is that, over recent years, MOST of our draft picks have been in the mid 20s or lower.   And the fact is, in the NBA, the vast majority of picks that low don't pan out.  Over half never play a minute in the NBA.  The vast majority that DO get minutes are just deep bench players.

These complaints seem to come from guys who fell in love with some bench rook who had to suffer the 'injustice' of not getting used by Doc Rivers.    Never mind that the kid just might not be good enough.

SMH

TP. So true.

[hpantazo]

Seeing as I'm bored, I might as well pile on:

Doc has been a head coach for 14 seasons now - but only 13 full (Magic let him go just 11 games in in 2003-04).

In those 13 full seasons, Doc has taken his team to the playoffs 10 times.

That's with three VERY different rosters, mind you.

Those Orlando rosters were crazy - as were the early Boston rosters when he came here.

He won the Atlantic with Boston in 2005 _before_ we got KG.

He's gotten to the ECF or higher 3 times and the NBA Finals twice, winning once.

That's a resume' only a small handful of coaches can match.

Sure, he never got to the higher levels in the playoffs until he got his additional 'studs' in KG & Ray.

But NO COACH ever has gotten far in the playoffs without stars.   That's just the reality that no matter how good of a coach you are, you don't win in the playoffs without elite talent.

Finally, the myth that Doc doesn't play/develop young players is just wrong.  Wrong. Wrong. 

This kind of statement is put forth by folks who just weren't paying attention (or won't bother to check their facts).   The fact is, that Doc relied _heavily_ on and developed a ton of young players in Orlando (Maggette, McGrady, Mike Miller) and again in Boston (Al Jefferson, Perkins, Delonte', Tony Allen, Marcus Banks, Rajon Rondo, Leon Powe, Glen Davis, Avery Bradley, Jared Sullinger) all on teams that reached the playoffs!

Yes, there are also a lot of young players who got almost no minutes under Doc.  No young player that Doc ignored has yet to turn up as being 'special' on some other team.

Another fact is that, over recent years, MOST of our draft picks have been in the mid 20s or lower.   And the fact is, in the NBA, the vast majority of picks that low don't pan out.  Over half never play a minute in the NBA.  The vast majority that DO get minutes are just deep bench players.

These complaints seem to come from guys who fell in love with some bench rook who had to suffer the 'injustice' of not getting used by Doc Rivers.    Never mind that the kid just might not be good enough.

SMH

Well put. He also played a big role in Pierce's development before KG got here. Pierce was not the mature team player who could pass well out of the double teams until Doc grilled it into him. I remember Doc benching Pierce a few times during his first year as celtics coach in key moments of the games just to teach Pierce a lesson, and it worked. Pierce loves Doc now on top of it all.

[Ogaju]

I really don't care if Doc Rivers was Phil Jackson or Popovich (he is not) I would ask the same question. None of you Doc supporters responded to my OP, perhaps you know the question is fair. All yall did was get defensive and turn it into a defend Doc Rivers thread. If everything the Doc defenders have said is true, it still does not give him the right to treat the organization like this. He has a contract, if he is as honorable as yall say he is he should honor is contract.

If he is truly as valuable as he is to our team as yall say he is don't you think his lack of open commitment dilutes that value (his so-called attraction of free agents).

I did not bash Doc's coaching in my OP all I asked was why does is he so arrogant with the team, and why cant he just honor his contract.

[Boris Badenov]

I really don't care if Doc Rivers was Phil Jackson or Popovich (he is not) I would ask the same question. None of you Doc supporters responded to my OP, perhaps you know the question is fair. All yall did was get defensive and turn it into a defend Doc Rivers thread. If everything the Doc defenders have said is true, it still does not give him the right to treat the organization like this. He has a contract, if he is as honorable as yall say he is he should honor is contract.

If he is truly as valuable as he is to our team as yall say he is don't you think his lack of open commitment dilutes that value (his so-called attraction of free agents).

I did not bash Doc's coaching in my OP all I asked was why does is he so arrogant with the team, and why cant he just honor his contract.

Based on what you wrote there, I think you might benefit from developing a better understanding of how labor contracts work.

But anyway I have a question for you. Do you also view KG as being "arrogant" right now? Or not "honoring" his contract?

[Kane3387]

I love doc. Kg would die for the man so that's good enough for me.

[Ogaju]

I really don't care if Doc Rivers was Phil Jackson or Popovich (he is not) I would ask the same question. None of you Doc supporters responded to my OP, perhaps you know the question is fair. All yall did was get defensive and turn it into a defend Doc Rivers thread. If everything the Doc defenders have said is true, it still does not give him the right to treat the organization like this. He has a contract, if he is as honorable as yall say he is he should honor is contract.

If he is truly as valuable as he is to our team as yall say he is don't you think his lack of open commitment dilutes that value (his so-called attraction of free agents).

I did not bash Doc's coaching in my OP all I asked was why does is he so arrogant with the team, and why cant he just honor his contract.

Based on what you wrote there, I think you might benefit from developing a better understanding of how labor contracts work.

But anyway I have a question for you. Do you also view KG as being "arrogant" right now? Or not "honoring" his contract?

I know exactly how labor contracts work. They are supposed to be executed by the parties. One party signs to provide services, the other signs to pay for the services. If one party does not perform the other can sue for damages. Specific Performance of personal service contracts are highly disfavored, that is why you depend on the honor of the party contracting to provide services. What exactly do you think I do not understand. KG does not do what Doc Rivers has been doing.

[KGs Knee]

I really don't care if Doc Rivers was Phil Jackson or Popovich (he is not) I would ask the same question. None of you Doc supporters responded to my OP, perhaps you know the question is fair. All yall did was get defensive and turn it into a defend Doc Rivers thread. If everything the Doc defenders have said is true, it still does not give him the right to treat the organization like this. He has a contract, if he is as honorable as yall say he is he should honor is contract.

If he is truly as valuable as he is to our team as yall say he is don't you think his lack of open commitment dilutes that value (his so-called attraction of free agents).

I did not bash Doc's coaching in my OP all I asked was why does is he so arrogant with the team, and why cant he just honor his contract.

Based on what you wrote there, I think you might benefit from developing a better understanding of how labor contracts work.

But anyway I have a question for you. Do you also view KG as being "arrogant" right now? Or not "honoring" his contract?

I know exactly how labor contracts work. They are supposed to be executed by the parties. One party signs to provide services, the other signs to pay for the services. If one party does not perform the other can sue for damages. Specific Performance of personal service contracts are highly disfavored, that is why you depend on the honor of the party contracting to provide services. What exactly do you think I do not understand. KG does not do what Doc Rivers has been doing.

If the people who run the business (the owners) don't have a problem with this, the neither should some financially disinterested party.

Doc is a human being, if he doesn't feel like doing something he doesn't have to.  The Celtics as an organization are aware, and find the situation amenable.

If anything, your blame is misplaced.  You really should be blaming Wyc/Danny for allowing the situation to be, if that is how you feel.

[Ogaju]

you are asking me to stop being a fan. If sports teams were just the concern of the ownership there would be no fans. I would not be posting on this site at 11:00 pm on a Saturday night. 

Perhaps I just don't like the idea of anybody kicking my dear Celtics around.

[Boris Badenov]

I really don't care if Doc Rivers was Phil Jackson or Popovich (he is not) I would ask the same question. None of you Doc supporters responded to my OP, perhaps you know the question is fair. All yall did was get defensive and turn it into a defend Doc Rivers thread. If everything the Doc defenders have said is true, it still does not give him the right to treat the organization like this. He has a contract, if he is as honorable as yall say he is he should honor is contract.

If he is truly as valuable as he is to our team as yall say he is don't you think his lack of open commitment dilutes that value (his so-called attraction of free agents).

I did not bash Doc's coaching in my OP all I asked was why does is he so arrogant with the team, and why cant he just honor his contract.

Based on what you wrote there, I think you might benefit from developing a better understanding of how labor contracts work.

But anyway I have a question for you. Do you also view KG as being "arrogant" right now? Or not "honoring" his contract?

I know exactly how labor contracts work. They are supposed to be executed by the parties. One party signs to provide services, the other signs to pay for the services. If one party does not perform the other can sue for damages. Specific Performance of personal service contracts are highly disfavored, that is why you depend on the honor of the party contracting to provide services. What exactly do you think I do not understand. KG does not do what Doc Rivers has been doing.

Are you suggesting that Doc is legally bound to work for the Celtics for the entire term of the contract, and/or that his resigning in these current circumstances would violate the contract or be wrongful in some way?