Shabazz Muhammed may fall out of lottery? (NBA.com)

[Evantime34]

Besides the one game winning shot incident, what else has Shabazz done to be labeled selfish?

Not passing the ball. When he gets the ball he usually makes up his mind to shoot it. On the Draft Express scouting video they show a bunch of times he drives, they run a double team at him and he doesn't give the ball up.

[BleedGreen1989]

Besides the one game winning shot incident, what else has Shabazz done to be labeled selfish?

Not passing the ball. When he gets the ball he usually makes up his mind to shoot it. On the Draft Express scouting video they show a bunch of times he drives, they run a double team at him and he doesn't give the ball up.

While his low assist number worries me I think the whole "selfish/not a winner" thing is a little overblown

[Birdman]

He will get pick in top 7

[Yogi]

I am not an NBA scout, but here is my opinion of Shabazz Muhammed.

1.  He has great NBA size, length and strength for an NBA wing.  He has poor quickness.  Laterally and on one-on-one situations.  Almost impossible for him to stay in front of wings in the NBA. 

2.  He has very poor vision of the floor.  He can literally draw 5 defenders and not even look at any one of his 4 WIDE OPEN teammates before chucking up a terrible shot.

3.  He has a great motor when it comes to scoring and rebounding on the offensive end.  He is almost invisible defensively.  He uses his strength and length to rebound, not boxing out.

4.  He has a very ugly and only moderately effective shooting stroke.  Has a variety of floaters that are as poor as they are ugly.  This is the reason that despite his athleticism he finishes very poorly at the rim and has a low p.p.p. in transition.

5.  Great at getting to the line using his strength and aggression. 

6.  Big shot maker.  Has the clutch gene when it comes to scoring, but not necessarily making plays on the defensive end. 

7.  He has issues with diet and weight control.  He has a body type that is naturally heavier (a lesser version of Barkley, Baby and Sully).  He has to work harder than most people his size to maintain his weight.  This is also what gives him his bullish strength however.  He came into college out of shape, and during the season he struggled with his poor diet and had to see a nutritionist.

8.  This is speculation on my part and I don't have any concrete evidence for this.  However, it seems to me that he is not a leader and a very selfish teammate.  This is just an impression I got from listening to interviews of his teammates and coaches on youtube. 

The best comparison I can come up with is Lance Stephenson with conditioning issues.  Indiana has got him to buy into defense and turned him into a useful player in his 3rd year. 

If Shabazz falls to the 16th pick, I would NOT draft him.  He would probably be good value somewhere in the mid 20's however. 

[The Rondo Show]

I'd be down with a little Shabazz

[raynman]

We need him to drop... sully dropped to us, now we need shabazz and we'd be set for the next 10 years

I agree though that he wont fall to us.

Maybe it's Danny Ainge starting this rumor again.. 

[KGs Knee]

I'd take a chance on this guy at 16.  In a draft so utterly lacking in good talent, at that spot in the draft a guy like this is worth the shot.

Doc won't put up with his garbage attitude, if he does in fact have one.  He'll either get his head on right, and fit in, or he'll find himself having trouble getting a job anywhere by the time his rookie contract is up.

[BleedGreen1989]

Has a guy ever gone from possible #1 pick to falling out if the lottery in less than a year without a serious injury causing the slide?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I am not an NBA scout, but here is my opinion of Shabazz Muhammed.

1. He has poor quickness.  Laterally and on one-on-one situations.  Almost impossible for him to stay in front of wings in the NBA. 

2.  He has very poor vision of the floor.  He can literally draw 5 defenders and not even look at any one of his 4 WIDE OPEN teammates before chucking up a terrible shot.


4.  He has a very ugly and only moderately effective shooting stroke.  Has a variety of floaters that are as poor as they are ugly.  This is the reason that despite his athleticism he finishes very poorly at the rim and has a low p.p.p. in transition.


6.  Big shot maker.  Has the clutch gene when it comes to scoring, but not necessarily making plays on the defensive end. 

7.  He has issues with diet and weight control.  He has a body type that is naturally heavier (a lesser version of Barkley, Baby and Sully).  He has to work harder than most people his size to maintain his weight.  This is also what gives him his bullish strength however.  He came into college out of shape, and during the season he struggled with his poor diet and had to see a nutritionist.

8.  This is speculation on my part and I don't have any concrete evidence for this.  However, it seems to me that he is not a leader and a very selfish teammate.  This is just an impression I got from listening to interviews of his teammates and coaches on youtube. 

The best comparison I can come up with is Lance Stephenson with conditioning issues.  Indiana has got him to buy into defense and turned him into a useful player in his 3rd year. 

If Shabazz falls to the 16th pick, I would NOT draft him.  He would probably be good value somewhere in the mid 20's however.

All these flaws are fixable. His competitiveness would helm him fix these flaws of his. I mean he showed up to the combine despite his agents saying not to just because he wants to compete.

He has the drive, and we have the coaching staff to be able to pinpoint these minor weaknesses and get it fixed. The kid is 20 years old, he has room to grow and already has the NBA talent to contribute.

If he falls into 16, we SHOULD draft him. Talent like that doesnt come around in that position that often. You talked about Lance Stephenson and look at him now, that's the worst case scenario for Shabbazz, worst case. Imagine what he would be if he buys in and completely regain focus.

[Celtics18]

I think there will still be a number of guys available at 16 that I would rather see drafted by the Celtics than Shabazz Mohammed. 

[hpantazo]

I am not an NBA scout, but here is my opinion of Shabazz Muhammed.

1. He has poor quickness.  Laterally and on one-on-one situations.  Almost impossible for him to stay in front of wings in the NBA. 

2.  He has very poor vision of the floor.  He can literally draw 5 defenders and not even look at any one of his 4 WIDE OPEN teammates before chucking up a terrible shot.


4.  He has a very ugly and only moderately effective shooting stroke.  Has a variety of floaters that are as poor as they are ugly.  This is the reason that despite his athleticism he finishes very poorly at the rim and has a low p.p.p. in transition.


6.  Big shot maker.  Has the clutch gene when it comes to scoring, but not necessarily making plays on the defensive end. 

7.  He has issues with diet and weight control.  He has a body type that is naturally heavier (a lesser version of Barkley, Baby and Sully).  He has to work harder than most people his size to maintain his weight.  This is also what gives him his bullish strength however.  He came into college out of shape, and during the season he struggled with his poor diet and had to see a nutritionist.

8.  This is speculation on my part and I don't have any concrete evidence for this.  However, it seems to me that he is not a leader and a very selfish teammate.  This is just an impression I got from listening to interviews of his teammates and coaches on youtube. 

The best comparison I can come up with is Lance Stephenson with conditioning issues.  Indiana has got him to buy into defense and turned him into a useful player in his 3rd year. 

If Shabazz falls to the 16th pick, I would NOT draft him.  He would probably be good value somewhere in the mid 20's however.

All these flaws are fixable. His competitiveness would helm him fix these flaws of his. I mean he showed up to the combine despite his agents saying not to just because he wants to compete.

He has the drive, and we have the coaching staff to be able to pinpoint these minor weaknesses and get it fixed. The kid is 20 years old, he has room to grow and already has the NBA talent to contribute.

If he falls into 16, we SHOULD draft him. Talent like that doesnt come around in that position that often. You talked about Lance Stephenson and look at him now, that's the worst case scenario for Shabbazz, worst case. Imagine what he would be if he buys in and completely regain focus.

How is poor quickness fixable?

His weight/conditioning issue worries me, and his selfishness worries me the most. Pass on Shabazz

[Yogi]

I am not an NBA scout, but here is my opinion of Shabazz Muhammed.

1. He has poor quickness.  Laterally and on one-on-one situations.  Almost impossible for him to stay in front of wings in the NBA. 

2.  He has very poor vision of the floor.  He can literally draw 5 defenders and not even look at any one of his 4 WIDE OPEN teammates before chucking up a terrible shot.


4.  He has a very ugly and only moderately effective shooting stroke.  Has a variety of floaters that are as poor as they are ugly.  This is the reason that despite his athleticism he finishes very poorly at the rim and has a low p.p.p. in transition.


6.  Big shot maker.  Has the clutch gene when it comes to scoring, but not necessarily making plays on the defensive end. 

7.  He has issues with diet and weight control.  He has a body type that is naturally heavier (a lesser version of Barkley, Baby and Sully).  He has to work harder than most people his size to maintain his weight.  This is also what gives him his bullish strength however.  He came into college out of shape, and during the season he struggled with his poor diet and had to see a nutritionist.

8.  This is speculation on my part and I don't have any concrete evidence for this.  However, it seems to me that he is not a leader and a very selfish teammate.  This is just an impression I got from listening to interviews of his teammates and coaches on youtube. 

The best comparison I can come up with is Lance Stephenson with conditioning issues.  Indiana has got him to buy into defense and turned him into a useful player in his 3rd year. 

If Shabazz falls to the 16th pick, I would NOT draft him.  He would probably be good value somewhere in the mid 20's however.

All these flaws are fixable. His competitiveness would helm him fix these flaws of his. I mean he showed up to the combine despite his agents saying not to just because he wants to compete.

He has the drive, and we have the coaching staff to be able to pinpoint these minor weaknesses and get it fixed. The kid is 20 years old, he has room to grow and already has the NBA talent to contribute.

If he falls into 16, we SHOULD draft him. Talent like that doesnt come around in that position that often. You talked about Lance Stephenson and look at him now, that's the worst case scenario for Shabbazz, worst case. Imagine what he would be if he buys in and completely regain focus.

In my opinion, Lance Stephenson is one of the better scenarios.  That is if he has good coaching and personal attention from a legend like Larry Bird as is the case with Stephenson.  Even with those he took  years to earn minutes in the NBA.  Worst case could be a worse shooting, less athletic Nick Young.

[hpantazo]

I am not an NBA scout, but here is my opinion of Shabazz Muhammed.

1. He has poor quickness.  Laterally and on one-on-one situations.  Almost impossible for him to stay in front of wings in the NBA. 

2.  He has very poor vision of the floor.  He can literally draw 5 defenders and not even look at any one of his 4 WIDE OPEN teammates before chucking up a terrible shot.


4.  He has a very ugly and only moderately effective shooting stroke.  Has a variety of floaters that are as poor as they are ugly.  This is the reason that despite his athleticism he finishes very poorly at the rim and has a low p.p.p. in transition.


6.  Big shot maker.  Has the clutch gene when it comes to scoring, but not necessarily making plays on the defensive end. 

7.  He has issues with diet and weight control.  He has a body type that is naturally heavier (a lesser version of Barkley, Baby and Sully).  He has to work harder than most people his size to maintain his weight.  This is also what gives him his bullish strength however.  He came into college out of shape, and during the season he struggled with his poor diet and had to see a nutritionist.

8.  This is speculation on my part and I don't have any concrete evidence for this.  However, it seems to me that he is not a leader and a very selfish teammate.  This is just an impression I got from listening to interviews of his teammates and coaches on youtube. 

The best comparison I can come up with is Lance Stephenson with conditioning issues.  Indiana has got him to buy into defense and turned him into a useful player in his 3rd year. 

If Shabazz falls to the 16th pick, I would NOT draft him.  He would probably be good value somewhere in the mid 20's however.

All these flaws are fixable. His competitiveness would helm him fix these flaws of his. I mean he showed up to the combine despite his agents saying not to just because he wants to compete.

He has the drive, and we have the coaching staff to be able to pinpoint these minor weaknesses and get it fixed. The kid is 20 years old, he has room to grow and already has the NBA talent to contribute.

If he falls into 16, we SHOULD draft him. Talent like that doesnt come around in that position that often. You talked about Lance Stephenson and look at him now, that's the worst case scenario for Shabbazz, worst case. Imagine what he would be if he buys in and completely regain focus.

In my opinion, Lance Stephenson is one of the better scenarios.  That is if he has good coaching and personal attention from a legend like Larry Bird as is the case with Stephenson.  Even with those he took  years to earn minutes in the NBA.  Worst case could be a worse shooting, less athletic Nick Young.

so basically a D-league player?

[Yogi]

so basically a D-league player?

No I think he is already better than a D-league player.  There is a large gap between the D league and the NBA.  He would at the very least be a D-league all star like DaJuan Summers or Chris Wright. 

[lon3lytoaster]

He will get pick in top 7

And there will be a very angry fanbase when a player taken in the 15-30 range turns into an all-star.