Trade Idea W/Chicago To Acquire Mirotic's Rights/Picks

[chambers]

Mods, why on earth was my topic merged?
Completely different idea revolving around KG ( a franchise cornerstone) and the bobcats lottery pick with Mirotic as a throw in... Completely unnecessary. is someone bored?

[indeedproceed]

Mods, why on earth was my topic merged?
Completely different idea revolving around KG ( a franchise cornerstone) and the bobcats lottery pick with Mirotic as a throw in... Completely unnecessary. is someone bored?

I did it, I thought it was a very similar idea. I'm not bored.

[gpap]

Sounds like a good trade if you ignore the fact it`ll likely mean KG retiring.

Are Pierce and KG dating? Why is everyone so convinced that if Pierce is traded, KG retires?

Anyway, I think a Boozer/KG pairing could be pretty decent. Remember, we need more size.

[snively]

So essentially we're taking on $19.4 mil in additional salary and trading the best player in the deal to move up from a top 16 draft talent to a top 10 draft talent?

I don't think Wyc would even consider this.

We're not in the same situation as the other teams that have taken on these kind of salary dumps - e.g. Washington with the Rashard Lewis for Okafor & Ariza deal, or Charlotte with the Maggette for Gordon and a future draft pick deal.  We're not below the salary floor in need of adding salary - we're in the tax.  Asking the owners to take on $19+ mil in a deal like this better come with some enormous incentive. Which the proposed deal doesn't have.

[gpap]

To the OP- It's an interesting idea.

This could possibly work too
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ajvrjps

I've got to think Chicago is probably going to be exploring some big deals this summer as well considering they didn't really do that much better than the Celts.

[chambers]

So essentially we're taking on $19.4 mil in additional salary and trading the best player in the deal to move up from a top 16 draft talent to a top 10 draft talent?

I don't think Wyc would even consider this.

We're not in the same situation as the other teams that have taken on these kind of salary dumps - e.g. Washington with the Rashard Lewis for Okafor & Ariza deal, or Charlotte with the Maggette for Gordon and a future draft pick deal.  We're not below the salary floor in need of adding salary - we're in the tax.  Asking the owners to take on $19+ mil in a deal like this better come with some enormous incentive. Which the proposed deal doesn't have.

I think Boozer has one more year and Hamilton has one more year.(maybe Hamilton has two?)
If we could get back Mirotic and a late lottery pick I think it's a good deal.
We'll be able to start Boozer and or Hamilton and then deal them before their deals are completely done anyway.
Boozer would probably be a 20/10 player with Rondo feeding him the ball all season.

[LooseCannon]

Mirotic panning out is the Bull's best chance at getting another star to go with Derrick Rose.  In trades, he's probably going to be valued similar to an unprotected 2014 first-round pick from a team unlikely to make the playoffs.

[indeedproceed]

So essentially we're taking on $19.4 mil in additional salary and trading the best player in the deal to move up from a top 16 draft talent to a top 10 draft talent?

I don't think Wyc would even consider this.

We're not in the same situation as the other teams that have taken on these kind of salary dumps - e.g. Washington with the Rashard Lewis for Okafor & Ariza deal, or Charlotte with the Maggette for Gordon and a future draft pick deal.  We're not below the salary floor in need of adding salary - we're in the tax.  Asking the owners to take on $19+ mil in a deal like this better come with some enormous incentive. Which the proposed deal doesn't have.

I think Boozer has one more year and Hamilton has one more year.(maybe Hamilton has two?)
If we could get back Mirotic and a late lottery pick I think it's a good deal.
We'll be able to start Boozer and or Hamilton and then deal them before their deals are completely done anyway.
Boozer would probably be a 20/10 player with Rondo feeding him the ball all season.

Boozer is expiring next season, and Hamilton's deal is unguaranteed, so ChicGo can just waive him..no reason to give up assets to be rid of him.

[indeedproceed]

Mirotic panning out is the Bull's best chance at getting another star to go with Derrick Rose.  In trades, he's probably going to be valued similar to an unprotected 2014 first-round pick from a team unlikely to make the playoffs.

That's my thinking as well, and why I included the 2013 pick along with the cap savings.Mirotic won't come cheap, and is a huge risk, but ultimately if Wyc isn't adverse to paying the tax in a non-competing year, I think he's worth it.

[snively]

So essentially we're taking on $19.4 mil in additional salary and trading the best player in the deal to move up from a top 16 draft talent to a top 10 draft talent?

I don't think Wyc would even consider this.

We're not in the same situation as the other teams that have taken on these kind of salary dumps - e.g. Washington with the Rashard Lewis for Okafor & Ariza deal, or Charlotte with the Maggette for Gordon and a future draft pick deal.  We're not below the salary floor in need of adding salary - we're in the tax.  Asking the owners to take on $19+ mil in a deal like this better come with some enormous incentive. Which the proposed deal doesn't have.

I think Boozer has one more year and Hamilton has one more year.(maybe Hamilton has two?)
If we could get back Mirotic and a late lottery pick I think it's a good deal.
We'll be able to start Boozer and or Hamilton and then deal them before their deals are completely done anyway.
Boozer would probably be a 20/10 player with Rondo feeding him the ball all season.

Boozer is expiring next season, and Hamilton's deal is unguaranteed, so ChicGo can just waive him..no reason to give up assets to be rid of him.

Au contraire re: Boozer.  Remember this is the Chicago group that burnt a pick dumping Hinrich's last two years and that was without facing the much more punitive luxury tax rates kicking in this coming season.  I really don't think Chicago wants anything to do with Boozer's $16 mil in 2014/2015, especially with Deng coming up for extension.

[indeedproceed]

No I completely agree on Boozer(see the OP), I was saying Hamilton is unguaranteed, so unlikely to motive the bulls to give up assets to move him.

[aporel#18]

Mirotic can be an All Star, but he's not on Dirk's level. He's faster and has better handles, but he's not the deadly shooter Dirk is. And I love the kid, he's only 22 and he's already the best 4 in Europe, but he'll have to adapt to the physical play in the NBA. In the Euroleague championship game the greek were abusing him and the rest of his team.

This trade only happens if KG is retiring, and I hope he doesn't, but KG's decision will be the first move. I know it's unlikely, but I'd love him to be traded to Orlando for Turkoglu and their 2014 first rounder, and then file retirement papers to come back to the Celtics as a coach.

Then, trade Pierce+Bass to the Bulls for Boozer+Hamilton+the Bobcats pick (top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 in 2015, unprotected in 2016). That would mean the Bulls pick Rip's option, in order to have a one-year rental of Pierce, a backup for Gibson in Bass, and saving almost 17M in 2014-2015 of Boozer's contract. They could play Rose/Butler/Deng/Gibson/Noah with Nate/Bellinelli/Pierce/Bass coming off the bench and destroy the Heat next year. So the bobcats pick could be worth it. Mirotic rights are a bit too much, and the Cs would have to give something really good for him, which I'm not sure they have/are willing to part with.

[saltlover]

Mirotic can be an All Star, but he's not on Dirk's level. He's faster and has better handles, but he's not the deadly shooter Dirk is. And I love the kid, he's only 22 and he's already the best 4 in Europe, but he'll have to adapt to the physical play in the NBA. In the Euroleague championship game the greek were abusing him and the rest of his team.

This trade only happens if KG is retiring, and I hope he doesn't, but KG's decision will be the first move. I know it's unlikely, but I'd love him to be traded to Orlando for Turkoglu and their 2014 first rounder, and then file retirement papers to come back to the Celtics as a coach.

Then, trade Pierce+Bass to the Bulls for Boozer+Hamilton+the Bobcats pick (top-10 protected in 2014, top-8 in 2015, unprotected in 2016). That would mean the Bulls pick Rip's option, in order to have a one-year rental of Pierce, a backup for Gibson in Bass, and saving almost 17M in 2014-2015 of Boozer's contract. They could play Rose/Butler/Deng/Gibson/Noah with Nate/Bellinelli/Pierce/Bass coming off the bench and destroy the Heat next year. So the bobcats pick could be worth it. Mirotic rights are a bit too much, and the Cs would have to give something really good for him, which I'm not sure they have/are willing to part with.

Turkoglu's contract, according to Shamsports, is only $6 mil guaranteed.  Why on earth would Orlando give up their 2014 first rounder for that?

Also, your trade with Chicago means the Bulls would have to add salary for next year, and they're already at $77 mil with only 9 players for next year.  Your deal puts them around $78.5 with 9 players.  Furthermore, if they want out of Boozer's contract, he can be amnestied.  Why would they give up such a good pick for that?

[Celtics18]

The next Dirk Nowitzki . . . or the next Victor Claver. 

I think the latter is more likely.  There's only one Dirk Nowitzki.  There's tons of Victor Clavers. 

[indeedproceed]

The next Dirk Nowitzki . . . or the next Victor Claver. 

I think the latter is more likely.  There's only one Dirk Nowitzki.  There's tons of Victor Clavers.

I think the Victor Claver comparison is interesting. Claver's only 2 years older, and has obviously struggled with the NBA game in his first year over here (which is common, but not a thing you just brush away or anything).

Claver though is still an unknown for Portland. He's shown he is willing to work but they don'tknow how to use him yet. he bounced around 3 positions and didn't shoot very well this season, by his own standards and what you expect out of a stretch 4. He's also been very versatile though, and does a little bit of everything. People are optimistic aobut him in Portland, but not overly so.

That said, he's not the shooter Mirotic is, and with Mirotic you have guys saying things like:

DraftExpress: On the other hand, no doubts about Nikola Mirotic. What a steal for the Bulls (if he ever comes over...) 21 points for the scoring machine
2012-02-18 04:21:04

DraftExpress: Nikola Mirotic could start for half of the teams in the NBA right now. He's that good. Bulls got an absolute steal IF he ever comes over.
2012-12-20 15:53:44

People were optimistic about Claver, but not like this. You have guys who are covering the Euroleague saying things like "Mirotic WILL be an all-star".

But you're right, Dirk was probably a little high. I didn't know who was less than Dirk but more than Gallinari.