Trade Idea W/Chicago To Acquire Mirotic's Rights/Picks

[indeedproceed]

An idea for a trade with Chicago:

Boston Trades: Paul Pierce, 2013 1st
Chicago Trades: Carlos Boozer, Kirk Hinrich, rights to Nikola Mirotic

Why for Chicago: they rid themselves of roughly 14.36 million in salary, and when they waive Richard Hamilton, they go just below the salary cap. They also get a mid 1st round pick. That means they can retool next season with a full MLE contract (a very nice piece in today's NBA landscape, and trade Luol Deng for help at the 2 or 3. It's true that Chicago could just amnesty boozer, but Chicago's ownership is notoriously stingy at the worst of times, and I can't thnk that Jerry Reinsdorf is happy with the thought of paying Boozer 15 million to stay home. This trade gives the Bulls a chance for a fresh start of sorts with Rose's return.

Why for Boston: ideally, we'd just be switching 1sts (Chicago picks 20th), but even if we don't , it's worth the risk to acquire Mirotic. He's the best prospect in Europe right now, a Dirk-level pick who if he were coming out this season as an outright draft pick, he'd easily be top 10, likely top 5.

Some reading:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/12/10/gibson-bulls-should-make-mirotic-untouchable-euroleague-heats-up/

Mirotic didn't take the rising star award this season, but he remains the only 2x winner since the awards inception in 2004.

This isn't necessarily a full rebuild move, Boozer is far from useless and Hinrich looks like an ideal bench player to put next to avery bradley while Rondo rests, but we're not going to be pretty to watch. However , both Boozer and Hinrich would be coming off the books in 2014, and Mirotic has a buyout for that year. We'd be looking at Mirotic, a probable 2014 lottery pick, and the potential for serious cap room.

Another variation on the trade would be to include Courtney Lee along with Pierce if Chicago is amiable, which makes it a very possible:

Pierce, Lee, 2013 first (16)
For
Boozer, Hinrich, 2013 first (20), rights to Mirotic

[saltlover]

Not to be a buzzkill, but do the salaries work? As best I can tell they don't.  In the first deal, without Lee, we would go over the hard cap.  In the second option, with Lee included, Chicago goes over.  Unless the hard cap doesn't matter after the season is over?

[indeedproceed]

Good point buzzkill

I dont know how that works salary-wise. We have unguaranteed contracts we could use to possibly get under the hard cap, and it becomes moot if Garnett retires. But Garnett isn't making that decision before 6/30, so it's probably all for naught.

How does the hard cap work? Is there a date to get under it ala the NFL?

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Sounds like a good trade if you ignore the fact it`ll likely mean KG retiring.

[Who]

I thought Mirotic was meant to be an Ilyasova level talent.

[BleedGreen1989]

Salaries work in regards to Piece for Boozer/Hinrich. I would certainly consider it if there weren't better deals to be had (which they're probably aren't)

People want to bang on Boozer and say he sucks,  but they're quick to forget that he averaged 16 points/9 rebounds and was probably Chicagos most consistent player. If KG retires however, you're screwed because I don't want to imagine Boozer being out "rim protector"

[Moranis]

I don't really get this trade for Boston.  Mirotic is a similar level prospect as the first we would give up and Boozer and Hinrich doesn't make Boston any closer to a title than Pierce and doesn't extend the window since Boozer isn't exactly young.  Plus, why does Chicago do this as it means they have a logjam at SF and then have to move Deng (which means they won't get as much).

Trade makes a lot more sense for both teams if it is Pierce and Sullinger for Deng and Hamilton.

[indeedproceed]

Sounds like a good trade if you ignore the fact it`ll likely mean KG retiring.

I'm taking that for granted regardless.

I thought Mirotic was meant to be an Ilyasova level talent.

It depends on who is talking about him. A lot of guys I read say All-Star level talent. Some guys I read say high-level role player as a basement (draft express is one of those guys, they compare him to Ryan Anderson).

Mirotic is the europrospect I've seen the most on, and I'm on the All-Star wagon.

I don't really get this trade for Boston.  Mirotic is a similar level prospect as the first we would give up and Boozer and Hinrich doesn't make Boston any closer to a title than Pierce and doesn't extend the window since Boozer isn't exactly young.  Plus, why does Chicago do this as it means they have a logjam at SF and then have to move Deng (which means they won't get as much).

Trade makes a lot more sense for both teams if it is Pierce and Sullinger for Deng and Hamilton.

I feel like maybe you didn't read my OP very well, or at least I wasn't very clear.

Aside from the fact that we're pretty far apart on Mirotic's value as a prospect, I'll restate why this makes sense for Chicago:

With Derrick Rose's reluctance to come back, a narrative has surfaced that basically states a major reason why Rose is comfortable taking his time is because he doesn't believe the Bulls as currently constituted are good enough to compete with Miami.

For the Bulls, the trade would break down like this:

Trade:
Bulls send out: Boozer ($15.3 mil), Hinrich ($4.06 million), rights to Nikola Mirotic ($1.039 cap hold during offseason), totaling $20.397 million
Bulls acquire: Paul Pierce ($5 million guaranteed), 2013 1st ($1.37 mil est salary and cap hold), totaling $6.37 million

Bulls save $14.03 million dollars.

They'd have, in guaranteed contracts: $56.744 million

Then they'd have 2 draft picks as well as Luol Deng in trade (which Jimmy Butler has made a high probability) to use in order to increase their talent level.

Say something like:

Bulls Trade: Luol Deng ($14.215 mil exp), 2013 1st pick #20
Jazz Trade: Gordon Hayward ($3.453), S&T'd Paul Millsap (~$10 million)

But that's just one feasible example, Deng as a useful player on an expiring deal is a very valuable piece.

[Moranis]

Sounds like a good trade if you ignore the fact it`ll likely mean KG retiring.

I'm taking that for granted regardless.

I thought Mirotic was meant to be an Ilyasova level talent.

It depends on who is talking about him. A lot of guys I read say All-Star level talent. Some guys I read say high-level role player as a basement (draft express is one of those guys, they compare him to Ryan Anderson).

Mirotic is the europrospect I've seen the most on, and I'm on the All-Star wagon.

I don't really get this trade for Boston.  Mirotic is a similar level prospect as the first we would give up and Boozer and Hinrich doesn't make Boston any closer to a title than Pierce and doesn't extend the window since Boozer isn't exactly young.  Plus, why does Chicago do this as it means they have a logjam at SF and then have to move Deng (which means they won't get as much).

Trade makes a lot more sense for both teams if it is Pierce and Sullinger for Deng and Hamilton.

I feel like maybe you didn't read my OP very well, or at least I wasn't very clear.

Aside from the fact that we're pretty far apart on Mirotic's value as a prospect, I'll restate why this makes sense for Chicago:

With Derrick Rose's reluctance to come back, a narrative has surfaced that basically states a major reason why Rose is comfortable taking his time is because he doesn't believe the Bulls as currently constituted are good enough to compete with Miami.

For the Bulls, the trade would break down like this:

Trade:
Bulls send out: Boozer ($15.3 mil), Hinrich ($4.06 million), rights to Nikola Mirotic ($1.039 cap hold during offseason), totaling $20.397 million
Bulls acquire: Paul Pierce ($5 million guaranteed), 2013 1st ($1.37 mil est salary and cap hold), totaling $6.37 million

Bulls save $14.03 million dollars.

They'd have, in guaranteed contracts: $56.744 million

Then they'd have 2 draft picks as well as Luol Deng in trade (which Jimmy Butler has made a high probability) to use in order to increase their talent level.

Say something like:

Bulls Trade: Luol Deng ($14.215 mil exp), 2013 1st pick #20
Jazz Trade: Gordon Hayward ($3.453), S&T'd Paul Millsap (~$10 million)

But that's just one feasible example, Deng as a useful player on an expiring deal is a very valuable piece.

The Bulls aren't going to acquire Pierce and then buy him out.  That doesn't alleviate Rose's concerns and then if they buy him out, they aren't going to trade Deng as Deng and Butler have both been starting for awhile now. 

Your premise just doesn't make sense for where Chicago is. 

[slamtheking]

just don't see enough of an upside for the C's to do this.  not sold on Mirotic being better than whoever we get with the 16th pick.  we're helping out Chicago way too much for what we're getting back

[Chris]

I wonder if the Bulls are ready to move on from Deng and Boozer for real.  Perhaps they would consider Deng, Boozer, and the Charlotte pick for KG and Pierce.

It would allow them to possibly maximize their championship chances next season, while also saving money the following year. 

[indeedproceed]

Sounds like a good trade if you ignore the fact it`ll likely mean KG retiring.

I'm taking that for granted regardless.

I thought Mirotic was meant to be an Ilyasova level talent.

It depends on who is talking about him. A lot of guys I read say All-Star level talent. Some guys I read say high-level role player as a basement (draft express is one of those guys, they compare him to Ryan Anderson).

Mirotic is the europrospect I've seen the most on, and I'm on the All-Star wagon.

I don't really get this trade for Boston.  Mirotic is a similar level prospect as the first we would give up and Boozer and Hinrich doesn't make Boston any closer to a title than Pierce and doesn't extend the window since Boozer isn't exactly young.  Plus, why does Chicago do this as it means they have a logjam at SF and then have to move Deng (which means they won't get as much).

Trade makes a lot more sense for both teams if it is Pierce and Sullinger for Deng and Hamilton.

I feel like maybe you didn't read my OP very well, or at least I wasn't very clear.

Aside from the fact that we're pretty far apart on Mirotic's value as a prospect, I'll restate why this makes sense for Chicago:

With Derrick Rose's reluctance to come back, a narrative has surfaced that basically states a major reason why Rose is comfortable taking his time is because he doesn't believe the Bulls as currently constituted are good enough to compete with Miami.

For the Bulls, the trade would break down like this:

Trade:
Bulls send out: Boozer ($15.3 mil), Hinrich ($4.06 million), rights to Nikola Mirotic ($1.039 cap hold during offseason), totaling $20.397 million
Bulls acquire: Paul Pierce ($5 million guaranteed), 2013 1st ($1.37 mil est salary and cap hold), totaling $6.37 million

Bulls save $14.03 million dollars.

They'd have, in guaranteed contracts: $56.744 million

Then they'd have 2 draft picks as well as Luol Deng in trade (which Jimmy Butler has made a high probability) to use in order to increase their talent level.

Say something like:

Bulls Trade: Luol Deng ($14.215 mil exp), 2013 1st pick #20
Jazz Trade: Gordon Hayward ($3.453), S&T'd Paul Millsap (~$10 million)

But that's just one feasible example, Deng as a useful player on an expiring deal is a very valuable piece.

The Bulls aren't going to acquire Pierce and then buy him out.  That doesn't alleviate Rose's concerns and then if they buy him out, they aren't going to trade Deng as Deng and Butler have both been starting for awhile now. 

Your premise just doesn't make sense for where Chicago is.

It absolutely makes sense for where Chicago is.

A) Chicago is overpaying Carlos Boozer significantly, with arguably the best reserve 4 in the NBA in Taj Gibson right behind him, signed to a much more palatable long-term contract.

B) Chicago starting Deng and Butler together this season is by no means an indicator that it is either a preferred or efficient solution long-term. They started Butler at the 2 because he can defend it. They team actually performed better when Butler was at the 3 this season. If Chicago could move Deng for a capable starting 2 guard and overall talent upgrade, they should absolutely consider it.

C) "Where Chicago is" is wherever Derrick Rose is. Right now, Derrick Rose isn't satisfied with the roster, and he really shouldn't be. They invested too much in Boozer, and (in my opinion) overpayed a very good role player in Luol Deng, which they really cannot afford to do if they're going to overpay Boozer. They have zero flexibility next season if they don't move one (or both) of Boozer and Deng, and it just so happens they have above average level replacements behind both those guys, and lack a single credible starting 2 guard. As you pointed out, they had to start Jimmy Butler out of position this season to maximize their talent.

[chambers]

Pierce+ Garnett for boozer, bobcats lottery pick and rights to Mirotic.

KG+ Pierce is roughly 26 million.
Boozer+Hamilton is roughly 21 million.
Bulls have a $5 million trade exception from when they moved Korver to the Hawks so that's almost even. I'm not 100% that the trade exception can be used but I'm assuming it can because Of Boozer.
If it can't be used then the bulls need to send another 5 million, so they could add in heinrich and we could add in a pick.
Note that bobcats lottery pick is pretty much guaranteed outside the top 10 picks so its good but not top 5 pick good. Still a late lottery pick, hinrich and Mirotic isn't a bad haul and the respect for our old boys is fulfilled.
Gives KG and Pierce a real shot at a title, and pierce can play the SF, Deng can play the SG and a starting 5 of

Rose
Deng
Pierce
KG
Noah

Is probably favored over the Heat.
We get legit assets and Pierce and KG get a real shot at another title with Thibs whom they already love. Win win for everyone.

[Evantime34]

Pierce+ Garnett for boozer, bobcats lottery pick and rights to Mirotic.

KG+ Pierce is roughly 26 million.
Boozer+Hamilton is roughly 21 million.
Bulls have a $5 million trade exception from when they moved Korver to the Hawks so that's almost even. I'm not 100% that the trade exception can be used but I'm assuming it can because Of Boozer.
If it can't be used then the bulls need to send another 5 million, so they could add in heinrich and we could add in a pick.
Note that bobcats lottery pick is pretty much guaranteed outside the top 10 picks so its good but not top 5 pick good. Still a late lottery pick, hinrich and Mirotic isn't a bad haul and the respect for our old boys is fulfilled.
Gives KG and Pierce a real shot at a title, and pierce can play the SF, Deng can play the SG and a starting 5 of

Rose
Deng
Pierce
KG
Noah

Is probably favored over the Heat.
We get legit assets and Pierce and KG get a real shot at another title with Thibs whom they already love. Win win for everyone.

What about Boozer, Deng and a first for KG and Pierce. Jimmy Butler is a better fit at the two and will probably be their starter moving forward. Deng looks to have taken a beating which would lower his value. Boozer's contract is terrible but if that is the cost to bring in a high draft pick in the future I can live with that.

[nickagneta]

To use a trade exception in the trade you have to have a player going back that fits into the exception. If we are just sending Pierce and KG, neither salary fits into the exception so it can not be used.